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In reply to the discussion: Greenwald calls-out the dominant Brexit narrative [View all]KPN
(15,641 posts)214. You are making all kinds of assumptions about what people here are saying.
I'm not defending the correctness of Brexit. This whole discussion is a result of you saying it's all about xenophobes and fear-mongering. All I'm saying is the Brexit vote is far mnore complicated than that -- and to disregard that is, using your word, stupid.
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Do you have a specific objection to the article, and, if so, can you elaborate on your analysis? nt
xocet
Jun 2016
#27
And I bet you believe tea party didn't form the second we elected a black president.
Drunken Irishman
Jun 2016
#232
So you believe the tea party wouldn't have formed if Hillary had won in 2008?
TheFarseer
Jun 2016
#234
Not when he has hordes that will eat up every embarassingly wrong utterance he makes with a spoon
Number23
Jun 2016
#183
Really? Lot of smart people on the leftwere arguing for Brexit before it happened
rpannier
Jun 2016
#185
"But not now with Boris Johnson around to steer the ship" in the wake of Brexit. Mr. "Neoliberal
pampango
Jun 2016
#196
It's worth asking why people embraced such hatefulness and believed such lies.
appal_jack
Jun 2016
#30
No, but I think that enough of the "Leave" vote came from xenophobes to represent the winning margin
Spider Jerusalem
Jun 2016
#46
Using your reasoning it could very well be that the majority of Brexit voters were not xenophobic...
Human101948
Jun 2016
#53
Actually having a firsthand acquaintance with the "Leave" campaign...
Spider Jerusalem
Jun 2016
#145
"Just tired of being screwed by the one percenters." EU countries have some of the highest pay,
pampango
Jun 2016
#77
Xenophobia and anti-immigrant sentiment is highest in areas with the lowest levels of immigration
Spider Jerusalem
Jun 2016
#63
Fabians is a good source. But those statistics are not really relevant to your argument.
KPN
Jun 2016
#211
Exactly. The Left, Jeremy Corbyn, British unions (not to mention Bernie) supported Remain.
pampango
Jun 2016
#75
Using that ridicule emoticon is sad on a politically liberal message board. Don't you agree? nm
rhett o rick
Jun 2016
#116
So if the Admins set a gun on the table and you picked it up and shot someone, you want to
rhett o rick
Jun 2016
#119
I want to use this opportunity to use this as an example of the split in our Party.
rhett o rick
Jun 2016
#118
There is just as much a split in the Republican party over this as ours
ConservativeDemocrat
Jun 2016
#148
Here we are again with you calling the Progressive Wing extremists. And here again I will
rhett o rick
Jun 2016
#170
And again I ask where you disagree with the left and again you won't respond.
rhett o rick
Jun 2016
#237
Great read. And the responses in this thread are perfect examples of what he is talking about.
fbc
Jun 2016
#11
Nope, both Greenwald and those who agree with him are perfect examples of forcing a narrative
stevenleser
Jun 2016
#105
The effects of immigration is a valid concern and is not xenophobia/nativism.
JonLeibowitz
Jun 2016
#32
There is a link, there are words there, surely you know how to click (n/t)
Spider Jerusalem
Jun 2016
#41
Trump is counting on it. Xenophobia and nativists are, by definition, anti-immigration.
pampango
Jun 2016
#74
But not all concerns about immigration are by nativists. This is a logical fallacy
JonLeibowitz
Jun 2016
#83
Of course not. But they can provide the winning margin. This is clearly a victory for the right,
pampango
Jun 2016
#89
Gee, what a surprise, his analysis of the meaning dovetails with what he WANTS it to mean.
stevenleser
Jun 2016
#17
Yes, it is, and obvious if you observe Greenwald for any length of time. nt
stevenleser
Jun 2016
#60
Most of the posters here who are actually in the UK will tell you it was xenophobia
Spider Jerusalem
Jun 2016
#23
Given GG's problematic immigration stances, it's hardly surprising he wants to deny xenophobia....
msanthrope
Jun 2016
#39
This stuff is why as a Socialist I am suspicious of people calling themselves "left-wing populists".
Odin2005
Jun 2016
#56
His Neo-Nazi civil client is a real peach, too. Although everyone deserves a criminal defense, I
msanthrope
Jun 2016
#57
+1, as if he couldn't just look shit up on the thing he was using to blog with
uponit7771
Jun 2016
#159
When he blamed it all on "Obama cultists", the sincerity of his "apology"
TwilightZone
Jun 2016
#157
+1, also he had the means to look at both sides of the story vs just taking RW word for it...
uponit7771
Jun 2016
#160
unfortunately, that's untrue. they're an extension of Thatcherism. but carryon.
nashville_brook
Jun 2016
#136
for those who disagree with Greenwald, what about elites screwing the rest? Is that wrong?
yurbud
Jun 2016
#55
It's mind-boggling that we're being accused of "smearing" people by calling them xenophobes when
Chakab
Jun 2016
#106
Pro-Brexit elites used that line to get workers to vote against their own interests.
SunSeeker
Jun 2016
#87
Why did some elite want it? I don't have a definite opinion on this, I'd like to hear
yurbud
Jun 2016
#98
those who reflexively dismiss Greenwald do more harm to their reputation here than his
yurbud
Jun 2016
#128
The UK did not have 'free trade' (though it likely will under Boris Johnson's 'neoliberal fantasy
pampango
Jun 2016
#99
Young adults in England and Europe know what austerity is doing to their countries, their
Akamai
Jun 2016
#104
You have stats that show kids up to 30 have no complaints about austerity? I think that would
Akamai
Jun 2016
#179
Young adults overwhelmingly voted to stay in the EU, so that's wrong too. nt
stevenleser
Jun 2016
#151
Seems to me that you are saying pretty much every youngster in the UK voted to stay in the EU. Maybe
Akamai
Jun 2016
#181
Only 21% of ages 26 and younger voted to leave, so as I said, overwhelmingly voted to stay. nt
stevenleser
Jun 2016
#195
well, the neolibs support their masters and hate GG for many of his critiques directed at them
stupidicus
Jun 2016
#102
It's also used as a tool by the conservatives/ neo-liberals to control the public.
rhett o rick
Jun 2016
#124
It's very strange that some people that want social justice will sell their souls to
rhett o rick
Jun 2016
#127
Yes but the Powers That Be love to use social justice issues as a divisive tool which they
rhett o rick
Jun 2016
#171
Mr. libertarian, claiming that xenophobia had nothing to do with the Brexit. Funny that the voting
still_one
Jun 2016
#129
+1, also the data clear says the majority voted on brexit cause of immigration here
uponit7771
Jun 2016
#161
Xenophobia is a tool used by the neo-liberals to stir up hatred and draw attention away
rhett o rick
Jun 2016
#172
xenophobia is a product of the conservatives, and the history of Europe has been filled with it
still_one
Jun 2016
#174
It's a tool used by conervative/neo-liberals to stir up hatred similar to what Hitler did in Germany
rhett o rick
Jun 2016
#175
The American Conservative also endorsed Sanders, in fairness. They're an odd bunch.
Recursion
Jun 2016
#191
Yes! Due to lack of alternatives, everything clearly OUTSIDE establishment does Better Than Expected
Land Shark
Jun 2016
#158
But Brexit was conceived, led and voted for by Thatcher's heirs and their supporters.
TubbersUK
Jun 2016
#226
Reagan/Thatcherism were half baked, but their followers very rarely were racists
Albertoo
Jun 2016
#229