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Arizona Roadrunner

(168 posts)
18. TPP ISDS process and the Democrats
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 01:18 AM
Jun 2016

As a person who has served on a local government’s Board of Directors, I am VERY concerned about the TPP ISDS court process with results being the surrendering of governmental sovereignty to corporate interests, foreign and domestic.
Basically due to secretive deliberations, this “judicial” process is designed to favor corporate over governmental concerns and interests. This agreement should not allow corporations to use this judicial process, but should demand they use our existing judicial process as it relates to governmental entities. How many state and local governments can afford to be involved in such a process? Just by the threat of suits through ISDS, a climate where governmental units cave in will be created. Look at what has happened under NAFTA and the WTO as it relates to our right to know where our food comes from. Look at how a Canadian corporation is using NAFTA to sue the U.S. on the Keystone project.
This will mean that political topics such as minimum wage increases and housing and zoning laws may be pre-empted by just the threat of a suit through the ISDS process. Look at what happened with Egypt when a corporation tried to use a process analogous to the ISDS to prevent Egypt from raising their minimum wage laws. (Veolia v. Egypt)
Therefore, I recommend, in the national interest, this agreement not be approved. When people find out how this can be used to prevent them from finding out things such as where products are made, etc., there will be charges of treason and the political process will never recover the trust of the American citizens.

By not voting against the TPP outright, the Democrats have given Trump a great opportunity to tie the Democrats to the "establishment" and "corporate America". He can also use this position to raise questions about the Democrats "really caring about you and your job". This is a loser position for the Democrats for the "down ticket" candidates too. By the way, the US Chamber of Commerce is not worried about Clinton being "currently" against TPP. They figure after she gets into office, she will find a way for her to be "currently" in favor of it.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-naiman/chamber-of-commerce-lobby_b_9104096.html

Yes, the Democratic Party platform committee was going to take a swipe at the president of the US TwilightZone Jun 2016 #1
The policy is HORRIBLE for America. It wasn't supported by the House Democrats at all. Obama think Jun 2016 #2
The policy is BRILLIANT for America. MohRokTah Jun 2016 #8
It's corporate law written by corporations for corporations. The GOP loves it think Jun 2016 #11
It's a Democratic trade agreement proposed by a Democratic president. MohRokTah Jun 2016 #12
Again 190 Republican voted for it. Only 28 Democrats. The unions hate it as do envirnmentalists think Jun 2016 #20
Even blind squirrels find nuts MohRokTah Jun 2016 #23
I'll stick with the Nobel prize winning economist over your blind squirrel references thank you..... think Jun 2016 #24
I'll stick with my president over an economist with an extremist anti-trade agenda. eom MohRokTah Jun 2016 #25
Is calling a Nobel prize winning economist policy positions extremist suppose to impress people? think Jun 2016 #27
Going to through the UN under the bus too? U.N.’s Legal Expert Calls Proposed Trade Deals Illegal AntiBank Jun 2016 #45
It is nice to see critical thinking instead of blind support for what authority puts before one.nt Mojorabbit Jun 2016 #31
Correct, TPP is just another mega disaster Hafta trade deal as the evidence appalachiablue Jun 2016 #59
So why should those who are currently skeptics KPN Jun 2016 #22
Polls show that most Democrats do support it. Apparently pampango Jun 2016 #37
Polls? I'd like someone to explain to me how this agreement KPN Jun 2016 #39
This agreement may be no better. The polls show that Democrats think that it is, while pampango Jun 2016 #40
if you think that Democrats crafted the vast bulk of the TPP AntiBank Jun 2016 #43
190 Republicans voted for it, while only 28 Democrats voted for it... ljm2002 Jun 2016 #34
190 Republicans in the House voted for it. Only 28 Democrats in the House voted for it arcane1 Jun 2016 #53
TPP is bad. I can't 840high Jun 2016 #7
TPP is great. MohRokTah Jun 2016 #10
you also support NAFTA wholeheartedly? Ford_Prefect Jun 2016 #15
This may or may not open your eyes to the problems with this and previous trade agreements ciaobaby Jun 2016 #26
Lol.......... Pharaoh Jun 2016 #21
They chose to side with the republican-led congress that supports TPP arcane1 Jun 2016 #51
It gives Hillary wiggle room. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2016 #3
Giving Hillary wiggle room is not wise IMHO. nt 99th_Monkey Jun 2016 #48
Who gets to write the platform? SoLeftIAmRight Jun 2016 #4
There was only 1 person running who was actually for the people. onecaliberal Jun 2016 #5
Yes we are. 840high Jun 2016 #6
We are. Completely. SammyWinstonJack Jun 2016 #9
Yup, and the people KMOD Jun 2016 #13
The stuff to get done is worrisome then. avaistheone1 Jun 2016 #16
If you are liberal minded it really shouldn't be. KMOD Jun 2016 #17
"The Democratic Party’s Draft Platform Doesn’t Oppose TPP ..." ... Jopin Klobe Jun 2016 #14
TPP ISDS process and the Democrats Arizona Roadrunner Jun 2016 #18
+100 99th_Monkey Jun 2016 #49
Bad policy, Bad politics...but..it pays well. K&R Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2016 #19
Politicians dipping their beak in the big money trough yourpaljoey Jun 2016 #56
The party platform takes no position for or against. LuvLoogie Jun 2016 #28
Yes, that was the point of the article. n/t ljm2002 Jun 2016 #35
it's designed that way to give Hillary political cover. Exilednight Jun 2016 #50
So then how many times in the past 50 years have the issue of trade deals been part of either cstanleytech Jun 2016 #29
The Nation is quite right. So are economists Joseph Stiglitz and Robert Reich. PatrickforO Jun 2016 #30
It's not very important to me that silence about a treaty might seem to be bad policy. Tal Vez Jun 2016 #32
"I prefer to leave that to the political experts." ljm2002 Jun 2016 #38
Hillary Clinton is not George W Bush. Tal Vez Jun 2016 #42
OFFS... ljm2002 Jun 2016 #44
I'm not blind. Tal Vez Jun 2016 #47
But your statement was that of a blind loyalist... ljm2002 Jun 2016 #58
I am not arrogant enough to pretend Tal Vez Jun 2016 #60
It appears Hillary's committee delegates know her actual stance on this issue. Scuba Jun 2016 #33
+10000! n/t ljm2002 Jun 2016 #36
+1, that's it in a nutshell. /nt Marr Jun 2016 #46
She'll support it, and half its opponents will pretend they loved it all along n/t arcane1 Jun 2016 #52
Your sigline is worth 1,000 recs. Scuba Jun 2016 #54
Thanks, and likewise arcane1 Jun 2016 #57
Sickening to see the same mistakes made over and over vintx Jun 2016 #41
why wouldn't they? we'll still not only vote for it by the millions, but rally our relatives and MisterP Jun 2016 #55
I'm very underwhelmed by the platform so far A Little Weird Jun 2016 #61
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