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In reply to the discussion: If you could vote on TPP for America like UK voted on Brexit, how would YOU vote? [View all]pampango
(24,692 posts)141. Speaking of Indonesia, FDR weighed in on it (well on the island of Java actually):
Harry Hopkins (FDR adviser and an architect of the New Deal) interrupted FDR while he was dictating the Four Freedoms speech and told FDR that he should not say "everywhere in the world because Americans are not going to give a damn about people in Java".
FDR replied, "Well Harry. They are going to have to give a damn about people in Java from now on."The speech delivered by President Roosevelt incorporated the following text, known as the "Four Freedoms":
"In the future days, which we seek to make secure, we look forward to a world founded upon four essential human freedoms.
The first is freedom of speech and expressioneverywhere in the world.
The second is freedom of every person to worship God in his own wayeverywhere in the world.
The third is freedom from wantwhich, translated into world terms, means economic understandings which will secure to every nation a healthy peacetime life for its inhabitantseverywhere in the world.
The fourth is freedom from fearwhich, translated into world terms, means a world-wide reduction of armaments to such a point and in such a thorough fashion that no nation will be in a position to commit an act of physical aggression against any neighboranywhere in the world.
That is no vision of a distant millennium. It is a definite basis for a kind of world attainable in our own time and generation. That kind of world is the very antithesis of the so-called new order of tyranny which the dictators seek to create with the crash of a bomb."Franklin D. Roosevelt, excerpted from the State of the Union Address to the Congress, January 6, 1941
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Freedoms
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If you could vote on TPP for America like UK voted on Brexit, how would YOU vote? [View all]
nikto
Jun 2016
OP
Speaking of Indonesia, FDR weighed in on it (well on the island of Java actually):
pampango
Jul 2016
#141
Yes. TPP (like the EU is far from perfect) but it is better than sticking with NAFTA and the WTO,
pampango
Jun 2016
#9
I value human rights, labor rights and the environment over the sovereignty of the nation-state
pampango
Jun 2016
#66
"TPP is worse than the WTO and NAFTA with respect to human rights, labor rights and the environment"
Chan790
Jun 2016
#68
"It's rare that the extreme right is right about anything...but they're dead-on FTA's."
pampango
Jun 2016
#78
You can count me as a proponent of withdrawal from NAFTA and destruction of the WTO, TYVM. n/t
Chan790
Jun 2016
#90
"Obama warned that pulling out of trade deals "is the wrong medicine for dealing with inequality."
pampango
Jul 2016
#163
I do, and your terminology suggests you don't, but just read hysterical articles on the Internet
Recursion
Jun 2016
#50
IT's YOU!! Finally, I have found someone who understands the "loss of soverignty" aspect of TPP
nikto
Jun 2016
#55
Tariffs are nationalistic bullshit that will only prop up businesses that can't compete
YoungDemCA
Jun 2016
#75
Protectionist policies are a godsend to business interests and terrible for consumers
YoungDemCA
Jun 2016
#81
Fine...can we at-least concede that they're opposite arms of the pendulum swing...
Chan790
Jun 2016
#91
Important Info for those who are (some perhaps willfully?) blind on Globalization
nikto
Jun 2016
#16
it is basically what happened under the wto - remember how the US passed that
hollysmom
Jun 2016
#53
Murder capitalism? Forget neo-liberalism, it's all the neo-communists running around
ConservativeDemocrat
Jun 2016
#120
I would hope that teh TPP would actually be released for study before we voted on it.
Starry Messenger
Jun 2016
#20
As a Californian, I am sick of referendums on the ballot. We elect people to do a job--do it!
Hekate
Jun 2016
#46
I'd much rather prefer it if China writes the rules of international trade than the US
YoungDemCA
Jun 2016
#70
pretty damn close to reality, there. the only good corporation is a........one.
Gabi Hayes
Jun 2016
#95
I mean, I see the interest in the question. Just curious- why did you not just make it a poll? nt
silvershadow
Jul 2016
#126
This changed my mind on Brexit--Here's the best explanation of Brexit I've heard yet (Audio)
nikto
Jul 2016
#136
Voting for Brexit and a hypothetical about the TPP is no different from implying...
randome
Jul 2016
#142
FDR: Perfectionism, no less than isolationism or imperialism ..., may obstruct the path to
pampango
Jul 2016
#144
Perfectionism is like Trump tearing up every agreement that doesn't make us masters of the world.
randome
Jul 2016
#145
New powers? Like the ISDS? There have been arbitration courts for over 50 years now.
randome
Jul 2016
#153
The Corporate Devil's Dictionary Definition of, "Perfectionism" (as used by Centrist Democrats)
nikto
Jul 2016
#152