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pampango

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155. Agreed. FDR warned against letting 'the perfect being the enemy of the good'. He would certainly
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 07:05 AM
Jul 2016

have rejected a "corporate devil's definition of perfectionism".

I vote: No nikto Jun 2016 #1
I vote: This is stupid. The TPP is not a union cprise Jul 2016 #159
Fuck no. bemildred Jun 2016 #2
Is "Oh, Hell No!" an option ? GreatGazoo Jun 2016 #3
This poll tries to conflate BlueMTexpat Jun 2016 #4
So, is that a "yes"? nikto Jun 2016 #5
That is ... I am not BlueMTexpat Jun 2016 #6
That's a "yes" nikto Jun 2016 #15
+1,000,000 ... Trajan Jun 2016 #32
Only to one with an BlueMTexpat Jun 2016 #33
Pure projection nikto Jun 2016 #41
It was a buttwipe-ish type poll. Thanks for not falling for it. n/t Aerows Jun 2016 #109
You are very welcome! eom BlueMTexpat Jun 2016 #110
You are the best, Expat Aerows Jun 2016 #111
Hardly "the best," lol! BlueMTexpat Jun 2016 #112
Rock on, dear! Aerows Jun 2016 #113
Oof... Nuanced answers to simplified questions are not always.. TreasonousBastard Jun 2016 #7
Thank you very much! BlueMTexpat Jun 2016 #8
And, the first trade agreement (that I am aware of) that ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #80
That is the most absurd argument I've heard. seabeckind Jul 2016 #137
Forgive them. They know not what they argue for nikto Jul 2016 #151
Speaking of Indonesia, FDR weighed in on it (well on the island of Java actually): pampango Jul 2016 #141
What about TPP's Loss of Sovereignty issue? nikto Jun 2016 #42
Well said. Hoyt Jun 2016 #12
Yes. TPP (like the EU is far from perfect) but it is better than sticking with NAFTA and the WTO, pampango Jun 2016 #9
Again, as I have suggested to another poster ... nikto Jun 2016 #44
I value human rights, labor rights and the environment over the sovereignty of the nation-state pampango Jun 2016 #66
"TPP is worse than the WTO and NAFTA with respect to human rights, labor rights and the environment" Chan790 Jun 2016 #68
"It's rare that the extreme right is right about anything...but they're dead-on FTA's." pampango Jun 2016 #78
You can count me as a proponent of withdrawal from NAFTA and destruction of the WTO, TYVM. n/t Chan790 Jun 2016 #90
Back to FDR or all the way to Herbert Hooover? n/t pampango Jun 2016 #94
Income inequality is at its highest level in American history Doremus Jul 2016 #162
"Obama warned that pulling out of trade deals "is the wrong medicine for dealing with inequality." pampango Jul 2016 #163
They're not particularly comparable, but I'd give a marginal "yes" for TPP Recursion Jun 2016 #10
Please investigate: Loss Of Sovereignty aspect of TPP nikto Jun 2016 #45
I do, and your terminology suggests you don't, but just read hysterical articles on the Internet Recursion Jun 2016 #50
IT's YOU!! Finally, I have found someone who understands the "loss of soverignty" aspect of TPP nikto Jun 2016 #55
As concise as it gets: Recursion Jun 2016 #56
OK...but did you know the Canadian oil company that was going to PatrickforO Jun 2016 #61
I do know that. Why shouldn't they sue? Recursion Jun 2016 #63
Whaaat? seabeckind Jul 2016 #139
I have never ever seen an argument that the existing pipeline is safer Recursion Jul 2016 #146
Nice try at shifting the goal post. seabeckind Jul 2016 #148
That's not "shifting the goal". That is the ONLY question that matters Recursion Jul 2016 #149
Extremely unconvincing, relies on emotion to Make the case nikto Jun 2016 #62
Whatever Recursion Jun 2016 #64
Except you never made any actual argument--No substance whatsoever. nikto Jun 2016 #65
So...you agree that they don't work then. Chan790 Jun 2016 #71
No, they are doing a pretty good job. I prefer NAFTA to China's PNTR Recursion Jun 2016 #106
You know what else works? Chan790 Jun 2016 #69
Tariffs are nationalistic bullshit that will only prop up businesses that can't compete YoungDemCA Jun 2016 #75
I'm equally perplexed by supposed progressives... Chan790 Jun 2016 #77
Protectionist policies are a godsend to business interests and terrible for consumers YoungDemCA Jun 2016 #81
Fine...can we at-least concede that they're opposite arms of the pendulum swing... Chan790 Jun 2016 #91
I don't dispute that some workers in the US are displaced by free trade YoungDemCA Jun 2016 #92
+1 ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #84
Hell No! Jack Bone Jun 2016 #11
HELL NO to the giant corporations and banksters Elwood P Dowd Jun 2016 #13
Eff NO! smirkymonkey Jun 2016 #14
Important Info for those who are (some perhaps willfully?) blind on Globalization nikto Jun 2016 #16
Sounded reasonable Egnever Jun 2016 #37
You need more info nikto Jun 2016 #47
it is basically what happened under the wto - remember how the US passed that hollysmom Jun 2016 #53
Excellent points, all nikto Jun 2016 #54
Both articles were written before the actual text was available Egnever Jul 2016 #135
YES! MohRokTah Jun 2016 #17
Did Darwin tell you that? Human101948 Jun 2016 #28
Exactly! nikto Jun 2016 #48
That sounds more like an argument for why we need to murder capitalism. Chan790 Jun 2016 #72
Murder capitalism? Forget neo-liberalism, it's all the neo-communists running around ConservativeDemocrat Jun 2016 #120
Realizing that you're not a political scientist... Chan790 Jun 2016 #123
You're clearly not a political scientist either... ConservativeDemocrat Jun 2016 #124
Thank you. n/t seabeckind Jul 2016 #138
And "capitalistic economies" are a good thing truebluegreen Jul 2016 #157
No. And I also wish we could have a vote on guns. Vinca Jun 2016 #18
Against sakabatou Jun 2016 #19
I would hope that teh TPP would actually be released for study before we voted on it. Starry Messenger Jun 2016 #20
this op, whether intentionally or not, conflates the TPP with the EU cali Jun 2016 #21
Why is the EU so much better than TPP? nikto Jun 2016 #23
what? I didn't say it was. cali Jun 2016 #26
I guess I just need someone to tell me ... nikto Jun 2016 #49
Maybe you should research PaulaFarrell Jun 2016 #103
Not bad, but ... nikto Jun 2016 #117
I don't support TTP or TTIP PaulaFarrell Jun 2016 #122
I would vote "NO" to TPP, and stay in the union louis c Jun 2016 #22
Truly, TPP and Labor Unions are mortal enemies nikto Jun 2016 #24
NO. n/t Yo_Mama Jun 2016 #25
Seriously people are voting yes on TPP??? Silver_Witch Jun 2016 #27
This surprises you? Chan790 Jun 2016 #73
Actually yes it shocks me on DU... Silver_Witch Jun 2016 #100
I would vote NO! whathehell Jun 2016 #29
ask me an easier one Motley13 Jun 2016 #30
No. roamer65 Jun 2016 #31
Not only no, hell fucking no! onecaliberal Jun 2016 #34
Yes to Brexit. 840high Jun 2016 #35
No to TTP 840high Jun 2016 #36
Yes Egnever Jun 2016 #38
+1 Well said YoungDemCA Jun 2016 #88
Hell NO. nt LWolf Jun 2016 #39
Absolutely NO! Duval Jun 2016 #40
NO, NO, NO!!! avaistheone1 Jun 2016 #43
As a Californian, I am sick of referendums on the ballot. We elect people to do a job--do it! Hekate Jun 2016 #46
Not only no but FUCK NO. Tap tap no tap backs. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2016 #51
No...I'm not stupid, greedy or crazy! peace13 Jun 2016 #52
NO! eom mikehiggins Jun 2016 #57
NO NO NO!!!!!! Arizona Roadrunner Jun 2016 #58
I would vote NO to TPP! burrowowl Jun 2016 #59
NO. TPP is a BAD policy, a BAD agreement that will undermine democracy and PatrickforO Jun 2016 #60
No. Chan790 Jun 2016 #67
I'd much rather prefer it if China writes the rules of international trade than the US YoungDemCA Jun 2016 #70
There is probably no more ridiculous argument for FTAs than this one. Chan790 Jun 2016 #76
Don't you realize that is an empty attempt at an argument? nikto Jun 2016 #97
No. nt tblue37 Jun 2016 #74
Unequivocally, no. With no chance of ever regretting that 'no'. w4rma Jun 2016 #79
It's also supported by most reputable economists YoungDemCA Jun 2016 #83
TPP 'worst trade deal ever,' says Nobel-winning economist Joseph Stiglitz w4rma Jun 2016 #86
And *no*, "most reputable economists" do *not* support the TPP. They are split. w4rma Jun 2016 #87
No, no way. n/t woodsprite Jun 2016 #82
Nope OriginalGeek Jun 2016 #85
OUT. Free trade without fair trade is killing us. Warpy Jun 2016 #89
I agree. Also----that's the 1st good thing I've heard about the EU nikto Jun 2016 #98
The same way I vote on a lot of things. hobbit709 Jun 2016 #93
pretty damn close to reality, there. the only good corporation is a........one. Gabi Hayes Jun 2016 #95
"If the corporations are for it, I'm against it." nikto Jun 2016 #116
No. PowerToThePeople Jun 2016 #96
It seems like finding good things to say about TPP is as easy as ... nikto Jun 2016 #99
Hillary will re-negotiate TPP and take nest Jun 2016 #101
JMO nikto Jun 2016 #102
No. nt silvershadow Jun 2016 #104
No. n/t ozone_man Jun 2016 #105
Trade Trump to North Korea Night Watchman Jun 2016 #107
Fuck no to tpp. n/t Aerows Jun 2016 #108
Whatever is the next up from fuck no. TheKentuckian Jun 2016 #114
YES !!!! OnDoutside Jun 2016 #115
Here's something happening RIGHT NOW, that will only worsen under TPP ... nikto Jun 2016 #118
It's definitely a "NO" for me KeizoOshima2 Jun 2016 #119
From a UK-er: TPP and Brexit are not comparable! LeftishBrit Jun 2016 #121
Thanks for the response nikto Jul 2016 #125
I mean, I see the interest in the question. Just curious- why did you not just make it a poll? nt silvershadow Jul 2016 #126
I guess I'm not "special" enough to do a poll nikto Jul 2016 #127
Thanks. I just found out you have to be a paying member. Sorry. silvershadow Jul 2016 #131
Have to be a paying member. Rex Jul 2016 #128
Ah, I actually didn't realize that. nt silvershadow Jul 2016 #130
No. Rex Jul 2016 #129
Absolutely NO nt AntiBank Jul 2016 #132
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2016 #133
Free Scotland! Night Watchman Jul 2016 #134
This changed my mind on Brexit--Here's the best explanation of Brexit I've heard yet (Audio) nikto Jul 2016 #136
No. seabeckind Jul 2016 #140
Voting for Brexit and a hypothetical about the TPP is no different from implying... randome Jul 2016 #142
FDR: Perfectionism, no less than isolationism or imperialism ..., may obstruct the path to pampango Jul 2016 #144
Perfectionism is like Trump tearing up every agreement that doesn't make us masters of the world. randome Jul 2016 #145
It sounds like you don't know the first thing about TPP nikto Jul 2016 #150
New powers? Like the ISDS? There have been arbitration courts for over 50 years now. randome Jul 2016 #153
"Better than nothing", "better than we had before" etc etc etc etc nikto Jul 2016 #161
The Corporate Devil's Dictionary Definition of, "Perfectionism" (as used by Centrist Democrats) nikto Jul 2016 #152
Agreed. FDR warned against letting 'the perfect being the enemy of the good'. He would certainly pampango Jul 2016 #155
NO! B Calm Jul 2016 #143
NO louis c Jul 2016 #147
Fuck no. TDale313 Jul 2016 #154
vote no eom mikehiggins Jul 2016 #156
surprised? lonestarnot Jul 2016 #158
No My Good Babushka Jul 2016 #160
If you could vote for apples, would you vote also for oranges? Bluenorthwest Jul 2016 #164
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