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In reply to the discussion: 9 Ways FDR's 'New Deal' Purposely Excluded Blacks [View all]JustAnotherGen
(31,781 posts)210. They also demand EXPLICIT answers
Yet won't give explicit reasons as to why we should just trust that they will be kind, fair and just when historically - America is a place of Everyone For Themself.
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During the civil rights era of the '50s up to the mid-'60s can we agree that they were part of . . .
brush
Jul 2016
#240
The dixiecrats still wielded a lot of power. People finally decided to stand up to the racism
brush
Jul 2016
#76
But today's world view of FDR blends his positive approach to banking and depression repair
floriduck
Jul 2016
#102
In case you're a Democrat, please don't respond to any of my posts as I will not respond.
floriduck
Jul 2016
#219
Wow: the PTB must be really scared for them to smear FDR's policies like this.
Betty Karlson
Jul 2016
#10
mass incarceration, lower life expectancy, voting rights abridged, poverty, ...
Betty Karlson
Jul 2016
#13
Lynchings, Jim Crow, beatings, segregation, miscegenation laws, race riots, chain gangs...
bravenak
Jul 2016
#15
They amount to: I like being slapped in the face because no-one is kicking me in the teeth
Betty Karlson
Jul 2016
#25
Cause somehow intimating there was no mass incarcerations etc under FDR is totally logical!?
uponit7771
Jul 2016
#35
No: but when the status quo includes de facto debtors' prisons, the good parts of history
Betty Karlson
Jul 2016
#50
Nah, they make perfect sense to those who have empathy and a sense of introspection
uponit7771
Jul 2016
#34
Didn't Blacks have mass incarcerations, lower life expectancy, etc under FDR?
AllTooEasy
Jul 2016
#27
This message is STILL not getting through to you guys. No one is saying that we shouldn't
Squinch
Jul 2016
#61
What is sad is that even now, as we make the platform and plans for the future, we have to
Squinch
Jul 2016
#132
There is no other explanation. And to do that, to see this from someone else's eyes, doesn't
Squinch
Jul 2016
#134
That day happened for me in the eighties. Felt like the earth had opened up under me and there
Squinch
Jul 2016
#138
I was always Independent, and politics was only part of it. I had a lot of bad information in
Squinch
Jul 2016
#141
You either didn't look or never cared about Sen. Sanders' racial justice platform.
KeepItReal
Jul 2016
#135
I'm not rehashing the primary, so all I will say is that, no, it was long after hers had been
Squinch
Jul 2016
#137
"the likely presidential candidate". Your post ain't about the actual campaign.
KeepItReal
Jul 2016
#164
It absolutely is. Hillary will stand up for our right against Trump, and she started back in 2014
bravenak
Jul 2016
#165
This isn't the powers that be, this is Bravenak. And stating the truth is not smearing FDR's
Squinch
Jul 2016
#58
The OP is saying the New Deal had glaring and large problems. It is saying that nostalgia
Squinch
Jul 2016
#194
And the OP is wrong to do so: the TIME of the New Deal had glaring problems.
Betty Karlson
Jul 2016
#197
And the present TIME has glaring problems, hence the desire from people of color and women to put
Squinch
Jul 2016
#199
That spin is repulsively disingenuous. I object to vilification of economic reform - and somehow
Betty Karlson
Jul 2016
#218
Oh, for fuck's sake. You are shadow boxing! It doesn't matter what I say, or what anyone else
Squinch
Jul 2016
#220
I must admit my first reaction to this post was "OK, now it's time to begin distancing Clinton
Gene Debs
Jul 2016
#143
OTOH, Eleanor Roosevelt stood up to the racist policy of the Daughters of the
No Vested Interest
Jul 2016
#14
Appeals for racial equality were STILL absurd to most people in the decades that followed.
AllTooEasy
Jul 2016
#166
There is a lot of truth in your post, though perhaps not in the way you intended.
BzaDem
Jul 2016
#40
A good response to another one of these left wing revisionsist threads cutting down progressive
Monk06
Jul 2016
#180
I guess it's indicative of just how far Conservatives/GOP/Reagan have, successfully moved ...
nikto
Jul 2016
#250
This leap you are all making is interesting. Bravenak is pointing out a flaw that must be
Squinch
Jul 2016
#64
Yeah, if only the Democratic Party can get rid of those old, dead ideas from the 30s thru the 70s
nikto
Jul 2016
#259
W. Wilson, The AF of L, and Business Unions killed off the Progressives by the 20s.
jtuck004
Jul 2016
#24
Some great points. FDR did much, more than any other president in many ways, but there is much he
pampango
Jul 2016
#73
So because progressive politics against inequality were racist in the past
My Good Babushka
Jul 2016
#55
I don't know what that means. BS and his followers insisted throughout the primary that
Squinch
Jul 2016
#72
Why is it asking too much to apply affirmative action to any new deal type legislation?
bravenak
Jul 2016
#97
No. Increasing minimum wage, universal healthcare and expanding college in NO WAY address
Squinch
Jul 2016
#128
I don't think many people even know what Americas "economic programs" are in America.
Sunlei
Jul 2016
#126
No interest whatsoever in rehashing this. The point is that the language needs to be explicitly
Squinch
Jul 2016
#228
What I mean is that affirmative action must be the foundation of any new deals or we wont
bravenak
Jul 2016
#96
What is it in YOUR thinking that prevents you from seeing that it is possible to pursue all the
Squinch
Jul 2016
#129
I know. They actually read a whole bunch of stuff I did not say instead of what I say.
bravenak
Jul 2016
#122
I just wanted people to know why trying to use FDR to pull in minorities is failing
bravenak
Jul 2016
#152
FDR was the man who delivered the Democrats out of 70 years of post Civil War minority status
Midwestern Democrat
Jul 2016
#139
I have been apologizing for my forefathers all my life when it comes to POC
William769
Jul 2016
#144
I Was excluded from the original SS. I thank Johnson for fixing that up for me.
bravenak
Jul 2016
#148
Thanks. I hadn't realized bravenak had reached such an advanced age.
DisgustipatedinCA
Jul 2016
#215
Nobody who cites FDR as an example today is defending his appeasement of segregationists, though.
Ken Burch
Jul 2016
#153
You are saying there is no chance that any progressive programs enacted today would exclude people
Squinch
Jul 2016
#195
They are fighting this like we're asking them to give us their right arm. I truly don't get it.
Squinch
Jul 2016
#204
It isn't a problem for me, and I honesly have no idea why you think it would be.
Ken Burch
Jul 2016
#224
It is the entire purpose of this thread. POC and womed are saying, again, that they want the
Squinch
Jul 2016
#226
And I fully support this. So would all Sanders supporters, AFAIK. You're right to ask for this.
Ken Burch
Jul 2016
#229
Read the thread. This, for some reason, is very difficult for some to accept. And was been very
Squinch
Jul 2016
#230
I'm sure that elderly AAs appreciate your attack on a major portion of their retirement incomes.
eridani
Jul 2016
#155
You are written into Social Security now, which would not have happened unless it existed.
eridani
Jul 2016
#160
There was a major correction when agricultural and household labor were covered by Social Security.
eridani
Jul 2016
#170
I never said mass incarceration was his failt. We have been holding blacks in incarceration
bravenak
Jul 2016
#171
Are you going to stop voting to protest the racism that established women's suffrage?
eridani
Jul 2016
#238
Why are people fighting so hard against the idea of explicitly including people of color and women
Squinch
Jul 2016
#196
Can't swim in a pool, can't drive a nice car, can't get a mortgage and this is 2016.
Rex
Jul 2016
#169
Yes. He addressed class imbalances. The point is that going forward we need to always explicitly
Squinch
Jul 2016
#221
I'm still comfused as to why they are fighting the idea of legislating fairness into
bravenak
Jul 2016
#212
Things are better now...but NOT because New Deal economic policies are gone.
Ken Burch
Jul 2016
#232
Then why are people on this thread so opposed to writing affirmative action in?
bravenak
Jul 2016
#233
I think it's anger that you're still attacking a guy whose presidential campaign is basically over.
Ken Burch
Jul 2016
#239
FWIW, I think you're right to expect/demand that economic justice programs be discrimination-free
aikoaiko
Jul 2016
#190
Right? What is so hard about this? What you have outlined is all that is being proposed here.
Squinch
Jul 2016
#198
I think is why many of us who supported Bernie had trouble getting support from African-Americans.
Odin2005
Jul 2016
#191
I can't wait for the follow-up: How the Constitution excluded Black peoples
Bad Thoughts
Jul 2016
#200
FDR also took the most important integration steps taken by the federal government since
merrily
Jul 2016
#257
Um, which part of history are you falsely claiming I don't want to believe and why do I supposedly
merrily
Jul 2016
#261
If we're going to be 100% truthful the only 2 Presidents in the 20th Century who actually did
craigmatic
Jul 2016
#262