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Craig234

(335 posts)
295. Your logic is wrong
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 04:57 PM
Jul 2016

Your logic is, the majority of the party always is the "genuine base" of the party.

In other words, the majority is never wrong.

So when FDR put the Japanese American population in internment camps, there could be no argument he had violated the party's values. The majority had spoken.

When Bill Clinton appointed people like Robert Rubin, and supported centrist/conservative/third way policies, such as slashing the budget for welfare, greatly increasing sentences for especially black people, and re-regulating Wall Street - that was our values.

There was no argument to be made that anything he did might not be lined up with the party's values - the majority had spoken.

So, when Frank Rich writes in "Listen, Liberal" that the party has moved to the right and abandoned the working class, he's just wrong, because the majority has spoken.

And when it's argued that our elections get corrupted by big money, buying massive advertising and marketing, with members of Congress spending half their time on the phone fundraising, over half going to lobbying when they leave - it's all wrong.

There's no problem, all those things are the party's values, the majority spoke and that's the end of the discussion.

And that's wrong. "The majority" is not always right. It gets to set the policies, but there's a reason the minority can talk.

Even though you call arguing for better values the luxury of whining, instead of letting you have the power without any challenge.

Queue the outrage! tallahasseedem Jul 2016 #1
"WHY?!?!!!" greiner3 Jul 2016 #93
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In '08 at this time 25% of Hillary supporters swore they'd never vote Obama, Only 10% of Bernie bjobotts Jul 2016 #217
If you were the majority, wouldn't your candidate have won? BobbyDrake Jul 2016 #240
You're absolutely correct!! dicksmc3 Jul 2016 #250
Many of the die-hard "purists" won't vote for her no matter what. We saw this in 2000 with Nader kerry-is-my-prez Jul 2016 #298
Exactly!!! KPN Jul 2016 #273
because the party still thinks killing the New Deal I'da winning strategy tk2kewl Jul 2016 #245
+1! Exactly. KPN Jul 2016 #272
For shame TallahasseeDem - you are the secret cause! - lol! kerry-is-my-prez Jul 2016 #297
Disenfranchise Bernie supporters. tecelote Jul 2016 #150
I campaigned and voted for Sanders. Who got an idea ANY real Sanders supporter would vote for Trump? Jeffersons Ghost Jul 2016 #165
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+1!!! Dustlawyer Jul 2016 #203
I could not agree more. Hillary was not my first choice for our Nominee... Raster Jul 2016 #216
Stop bashing Clinton supporters. You lost, and thats not a productive way to deal with it. BobbyDrake Jul 2016 #241
Why do you have such a hard time understanding that one can think that "establishment KPN Jul 2016 #275
You can call yourselves "real Democrats" but that doesn't make it true. BobbyDrake Jul 2016 #294
Your logic is wrong Craig234 Jul 2016 #295
I never said "the majority is always right." Straw man alert! BobbyDrake Jul 2016 #296
The straw man was your post Craig234 Jul 2016 #300
Nope. Not even close. The post to which I replied was trying to claim the mantle of "real Democrat" BobbyDrake Jul 2016 #305
That's ironic Craig234 Jul 2016 #312
Increasing the length of your comments doesn't make up for their hollowness. BobbyDrake Jul 2016 #314
Whoosh Craig234 Jul 2016 #322
...... KPN Jul 2016 #321
You are way off base and putting words into my KPN Jul 2016 #308
You wrote "real Democrats." Here, I'll quote you: BobbyDrake Jul 2016 #309
Lol!! Way off base again. KPN Jul 2016 #320
Disenfranchise? bravenak Jul 2016 #166
It's weird to see words being used in ways that differ from the *actual* meaning of the word... NurseJackie Jul 2016 #167
Yes, very very bizarre. bravenak Jul 2016 #173
Corporatists!!!! bluedye33139 Jul 2016 #251
Oh come on Craig234 Jul 2016 #302
Yes, it's a definition completely made up bluedye33139 Jul 2016 #304
That did not answer my post n/t Craig234 Jul 2016 #311
As a Bernie supporter" who is now "with Her" this type of anti Bernie needs to STOP awake Jul 2016 #2
I agree. LuvNewcastle Jul 2016 #16
This^^! KPN Jul 2016 #278
I remember that Hillary nominated Obama at the convention and we were completely unified, pnwmom Jul 2016 #40
Have you seen this petition?? riversedge Jul 2016 #127
Idiots or RW trolls. nt pnwmom Jul 2016 #132
Oh wow, that's totally representative of everyone who supported Bernie. Pacifist Patriot Jul 2016 #154
13 million+ voted for Bernie. 56,000 signed the petition. Craig234 Jul 2016 #248
OH TEH NOES Act_of_Reparation Jul 2016 #258
Amen to that tiredtoo Jul 2016 #76
I do not see anyone trying to unite, rather Bernies being told to sit down and shut up. larkrake Jul 2016 #147
Yes, well -- I agree with you, and still want Bernie to make his points and earn Akamai Jul 2016 #210
^^^This AllyCat Jul 2016 #87
that's right. barbtries Jul 2016 #110
+1!!! Dustlawyer Jul 2016 #129
A quote from Cheers' Woody Harrelson Season 7 Episode 5 chwaliszewski Jul 2016 #228
As a Hillary supporter from the beginning... I agree 100% with you. Amimnoch Jul 2016 #253
Yay!! Thank you for that! KPN Jul 2016 #280
Last I checked the Bernie supporters have no PUMA equivalent meme Pluvious Jul 2016 #293
I think they are reacting more to people who are trolling here who may not really be Bernie sup- kerry-is-my-prez Jul 2016 #299
Voted for Bernie but I'm 100% for Clinton after seeing this mess. RAFisher Jul 2016 #3
Amen! austinlw Jul 2016 #49
Watching the repuke convention did it for me onecaliberal Jul 2016 #156
most Bernie supporters have already decided to vote for Clinton. geek tragedy Jul 2016 #4
I agree, and I am very glad to see it, but there are a number of "She's unacceptable to me" comments Squinch Jul 2016 #10
Ditto what you just said. auntpurl Jul 2016 #23
The transparent concern trolling threads are getting on my last nerve too. We don't have time for it Squinch Jul 2016 #25
I agree Andy823 Jul 2016 #79
The is an alert button and a hide function. progressoid Jul 2016 #206
Yes. And forums too. And there are latest threads and home tabs. This is a nice stroll Squinch Jul 2016 #207
And it's not just here, either. calimary Jul 2016 #142
Can't agree that Jill Stein is a zero. Sienna86 Jul 2016 #202
I actually made an attempt to hear her out. calimary Jul 2016 #211
A lot of physicians I know are pretty eccentric but they are smart. kerry-is-my-prez Jul 2016 #307
Really? I haven't seen any. KPN Jul 2016 #282
OK. Well. I have. Squinch Jul 2016 #283
For example? KPN Jul 2016 #289
Ditto. cwydro Jul 2016 #18
And I am one of them! Chasstev365 Jul 2016 #42
There are grumblings... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2016 #109
there'll be a few, but compare what Bernie says to what Ted Cruz just did geek tragedy Jul 2016 #153
True. nt awoke_in_2003 Jul 2016 #159
A fuss at the convention will HELP Clinton. Jim Lane Jul 2016 #160
Exactly. There is no problem here. nikto Jul 2016 #232
... closeupready Jul 2016 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author geek tragedy Jul 2016 #12
I think your history might be a tad weak zipplewrath Jul 2016 #6
No, Donald is freaking dangerous Fast Walker 52 Jul 2016 #74
So was Long zipplewrath Jul 2016 #104
Thank you. I truly appreciate Sam's special abilities. mobeau69 Jul 2016 #174
Please cut the primary drama. demmiblue Jul 2016 #7
Your historical perspective is astute and prescient, thank you! I hope arthritisR_US Jul 2016 #8
Pot meet kettle. Exilednight Jul 2016 #9
Polls show 85% of Bernie's folks have already transitioned to Hillary. JaneQPublic Jul 2016 #11
Yeah, I get it. Cyrano Jul 2016 #15
Exchanges with people like that really are aggravating... JaneQPublic Jul 2016 #21
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If you really get it, and this really was just a knee jerk reaction, why not delete the OP? eggplant Jul 2016 #116
BINGO!!!!! Big time! KPN Jul 2016 #284
Might be nice if you edited to indicate that. Pacifist Patriot Jul 2016 #155
Then why address the plural? G_j Jul 2016 #191
Keep fighting that primary! Iggo Jul 2016 #13
I'm not afraid of that brainless egomaniac. arcane1 Jul 2016 #14
There are a few things Trump would have that Hitler did not BadDog40 Jul 2016 #24
He has colleagues with those qualities gollygee Jul 2016 #33
Just like they did Reagan! tonybgood Jul 2016 #249
Stop what? cherokeeprogressive Jul 2016 #17
Stop the inevitable rightward march of the Democratic Party. Ikonoklast Jul 2016 #247
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Well explained. pangaia Jul 2016 #34
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"why aren't you imploring the DNC and super delegates to support Sanders" Lil Missy Jul 2016 #56
They will never get it. The denseness is amazing. Squinch Jul 2016 #86
That was a rude comment. KPN Jul 2016 #285
+1 Marr Jul 2016 #57
^^^ good post lastone Jul 2016 #59
No one cares to waste time "trying to convince people." If the shit show you have Squinch Jul 2016 #113
do you have an understanding of politics at all lastone Jul 2016 #120
This message was self-deleted by its author Squinch Jul 2016 #128
Forget it. If you are one of the ones holding his breath to be convinced, have at it. Squinch Jul 2016 #133
Great then we shall choose and you shall have not to say Silver_Witch Jul 2016 #138
Baloney. To grow the fuck up, you shouldn't need convincing. MichiganVote Jul 2016 #115
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Such bullshit. Hillary or Trump. Not difficult. And no one owes you a hand holding. Squinch Jul 2016 #135
That question cuts the drama. eom Festivito Jul 2016 #65
LOL, lots of retreaded talking points proven wrong many times over. R B Garr Jul 2016 #71
well said. nt retrowire Jul 2016 #82
This being a perfect example of what the OP is talking about. Squinch Jul 2016 #85
You mean the ones that won't be needed at GE time, TheCowsCameHome Jul 2016 #20
Funny how that works, isn't it? n/t arcane1 Jul 2016 #26
I seem to remember that myself. RoccoR5955 Jul 2016 #47
We're all "toast", according to some highly-placed cognoscenti, after closeupready Jul 2016 #54
No one is saying that the idiots who will not vote against Trump are needed. The OP is just asking Squinch Jul 2016 #88
Wrong. Read it again. KPN Jul 2016 #287
Hillary needs every vote she can get -- and so she shouldn't tailor her whole agenda pnwmom Jul 2016 #134
what part of "don't keep fighting the last democratic primary" is ambiguous? nt geek tragedy Jul 2016 #22
+1 In_The_Wind Jul 2016 #32
You should probably self-delete. n/t demmiblue Jul 2016 #27
Stop what? I have not seen any Bernie or Bust posts here since the new rules went into merrily Jul 2016 #28
Must be a slow day. Rex Jul 2016 #31
I did a quick search of the OPs posts. merrily Jul 2016 #35
And now boredom and repetition are getting to people. arcane1 Jul 2016 #36
Bring back GD: P! merrily Jul 2016 #37
"And for those of you who spit on this post...." pangaia Jul 2016 #29
Maybe just fart in it's general direction then? bluesbassman Jul 2016 #39
Its mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries! Stonepounder Jul 2016 #51
Go away... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2016 #111
Actually, seeing how it played out, no. Not at all. Squinch Jul 2016 #119
lulz Rex Jul 2016 #30
Please stop attempting to set up liberals for the blame if Hillary loses. /nt Marr Jul 2016 #38
The "Fucking retards" of the "Professional Left" always get the blame, regardless. arcane1 Jul 2016 #61
nor mine ! ciaobaby Jul 2016 #90
+1. It's not like the Democratic Party has positioned itself as corporate shop + stop. Oh wait... FighttheFuture Jul 2016 #136
Wish I could rec this post. vintx Jul 2016 #317
Thanks! FighttheFuture Jul 2016 #323
+1 leftstreet Jul 2016 #163
We're liberals shenmue Jul 2016 #146
Somehow we don't count, though. Squinch Jul 2016 #198
our votes have to be earned. captainarizona Jul 2016 #41
If you're still on the fence after the crapfest the Republicans have just put on, you belong Squinch Jul 2016 #83
Try not to sound like Trump supporters going after Cruz supporters. Thanks. nt Xipe Totec Jul 2016 #43
K & R 63splitwindow Jul 2016 #44
Dear Cyrano, LWolf Jul 2016 #45
Dear LWolf Cyrano Jul 2016 #60
Then I'm sorry LWolf Jul 2016 #179
Gee, I thought that Bernie supporters were effectively banned RoccoR5955 Jul 2016 #46
Not True. Bernie supporters have not been banned for being Bernie supporters. Lil Missy Jul 2016 #58
Is that not RoccoR5955 Jul 2016 #91
No. It's called reality. n/t Lil Missy Jul 2016 #108
Perhaps it may be your reality RoccoR5955 Jul 2016 #112
Couldn't agree more Andy823 Jul 2016 #94
Clearly not. They're still pushing the same old crap. Squinch Jul 2016 #89
Then you thought incorrectly. TwilightZone Jul 2016 #96
Hillary doubters simply don't bucolic_frolic Jul 2016 #48
"Hillary Doubters." Iggo Jul 2016 #66
how do you know who he is, it changes daily He is a word salad larkrake Jul 2016 #170
Progressivism is extinct if Trump wins bucolic_frolic Jul 2016 #176
ridiculous, bye larkrake Jul 2016 #178
I'll vote for who I believe in GummyBearz Jul 2016 #50
Yes, please. wisteria Jul 2016 #53
Maybe cut the blackmail and try winning us over instead. MillennialDem Jul 2016 #55
I wonder if the Ted Cruz supporters are being told to stop at freeperville. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2016 #62
The Freepers are roundly denouncing Cruz for his speech. Jim Lane Jul 2016 #168
So DU and FR LWolf Jul 2016 #182
It's something to ponder all right. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2016 #200
Keep on push selling that used car. The gimmick isn't working yet. Ford_Prefect Jul 2016 #64
Oh, look! Suddenly we're wanted and needed! TheCowsCameHome Jul 2016 #67
I think you are reading into what the OP said and seeing something that isn't there. Squinch Jul 2016 #125
No, that's not it at all. TheCowsCameHome Jul 2016 #186
And yet no one is pleading for help. Go figure. Squinch Jul 2016 #197
This is fear mongering at it's best. afertal Jul 2016 #68
What "false choice" might you be talking about? Squinch Jul 2016 #149
If Trump is such a huge danger... HooptieWagon Jul 2016 #69
Way past time to give up on such nonsense. tonyt53 Jul 2016 #72
It's like the cartoon of Coyote holding onto the top of the cliff with the last fingernail Squinch Jul 2016 #98
Is that directed at the OP? Marr Jul 2016 #190
Wrong Andy823 Jul 2016 #84
+1,000,000,000 n/t RoccoR5955 Jul 2016 #92
Which is a good thing. Because we didn't. We nominated the candidate that the vast majority Squinch Jul 2016 #97
But Trump himself called Bernie a loser. R B Garr Jul 2016 #103
Well, the "stronger" candidate... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2016 #114
Sec Clinton was by far the stronger candidate in the Democratic party primaries Grey Lemercier Jul 2016 #231
Sanders consistantly polled 10 points or more better than Trump. HooptieWagon Jul 2016 #235
Sanders was given a pass by the Republicans and the MSM because they knew he would never win the Grey Lemercier Jul 2016 #244
Polls that far out from the GE are notoriously unreliable. annavictorious Jul 2016 #301
That's true. Her poll numbers have steadily declined in the past year. HooptieWagon Jul 2016 #303
I'm not worried, annavictorious Jul 2016 #306
We are progressive Americans before we're Sanders supporters .. we'll do the right thing. YOHABLO Jul 2016 #70
The crap never ends. hobbit709 Jul 2016 #73
as a former AVID Sanders supporter, all I can say is: VOTE BLUE IN NOVEMBER secondwind Jul 2016 #75
My grandfather got out of Germany. BigDemVoter Jul 2016 #77
Nonsense. Else You Are Mad Jul 2016 #78
Oh get over yourself. Android3.14 Jul 2016 #80
a lot of us DUers heaven05 Jul 2016 #81
Four days of this hate filled convention tends to make me a little tense radical noodle Jul 2016 #95
oh save your pity and the fear mongering. ciaobaby Jul 2016 #99
K&R Grassy Knoll Jul 2016 #100
Democrats have the novel opportunity of being the Daddy party. SleeplessinSoCal Jul 2016 #101
stop what? stupidicus Jul 2016 #102
Cyrano—You should have confidence in Hillary Clinton. (This thread of yours is not necessary.) CobaltBlue Jul 2016 #105
Just let's us know how many here still support dividing us up constantly. Such a sad theme on DU. Rex Jul 2016 #175
You stress history and emphasize Hitler and Nixon, but not Reagan. Interesting. appalachiablue Jul 2016 #106
Don't forget the supreme court LostinRed Jul 2016 #107
Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #117
Trouble on the horizon? I think not. But FYI fear doesn't work really well with dreamers HereSince1628 Jul 2016 #118
is this really a question? CarrieLynne Jul 2016 #121
I think we must be up to about 98% of Bernie supporters agreeing with you. And that is a Squinch Jul 2016 #140
I'm also hoping for Warren. stage left Jul 2016 #145
Oh, look, a thread about Bernie and Bernie supporters. bigwillq Jul 2016 #122
I will be wearing my Bernie shirts next week greiner3 Jul 2016 #123
Stop WHAT??? Silver_Witch Jul 2016 #126
. Squinch Jul 2016 #137
This message was self-deleted by its author Pacifist Patriot Jul 2016 #152
Sore winners. Iggo Jul 2016 #172
The people you are referring to can't really be called Bernie supporters Tiggeroshii Jul 2016 #131
I can only speak for myself. Delmette Jul 2016 #139
+1,000 n/t LarryNM Jul 2016 #218
I never fall in love with politicians, I am just fed up with corruption and the larkrake Jul 2016 #141
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Defeat Trump at all costs oswaldactedalone Jul 2016 #144
Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #148
This message was self-deleted by its author Pacifist Patriot Jul 2016 #151
Agreed. The OP's assumptions are wrong AND insulting. FailureToCommunicate Jul 2016 #177
People who voted for Bernie are gonna support Hills in droves. Ligyron Jul 2016 #157
not larkrake Jul 2016 #162
Facepalm SHRED Jul 2016 #158
I think it's having the desired effect. Iggo Jul 2016 #161
That, and... demmiblue Jul 2016 #171
... progressoid Jul 2016 #223
... Javaman Jul 2016 #254
Running with Jill will get you no where.....fast. Historic NY Jul 2016 #164
There is still work to do... Mike Nelson Jul 2016 #180
I am a Hillary supporter, and this post is condescending. StrictlyRockers Jul 2016 #181
What are you blithering about? matt819 Jul 2016 #183
I've been thinking about BREXIT a lot recently. qnr Jul 2016 #184
I still cannot wrap my head around the fact Leave won. It's going to have a hugely Grey Lemercier Jul 2016 #233
I know, it still astounds me too n/t qnr Jul 2016 #291
I don't give a flying fuck about your pity. CharlotteVale Jul 2016 #185
You have it backwards, HILLARY supporters need to stop bashing & blaming ... cloudythescribbler Jul 2016 #187
I voted for Bernie in the primary. TNNurse Jul 2016 #188
I voted for & sent $ to SBS in the primary. I'm with Her now. nt Ilsa Jul 2016 #189
FEAR, UNCERTAINTY, and DOOM! RoccoR5955 Jul 2016 #192
The choice is yours. AlbertCat Jul 2016 #193
This election is almost being handed to Hillary on a silver platter Calculating Jul 2016 #194
Truth. reflection Jul 2016 #286
Please Stop What? Martin Eden Jul 2016 #195
I am a Bernie supporter... bekkilyn Jul 2016 #196
Please don't call them 'Bernie Supporters' LynneSin Jul 2016 #199
You have a mistaken concept of "Bernie supporter" Jim Lane Jul 2016 #224
This is Straw Man, flame-baiting, concern trolling at its worst LiberalLovinLug Jul 2016 #201
Exactly. Martin Eden Jul 2016 #263
Why are you trying to stir things up... nt Raine Jul 2016 #204
Why would things change? That is all some here know how to do. Rex Jul 2016 #268
A shit-stirring, divisive post designed to continue the primary fight, which is a forum violation. ChisolmTrailDem Jul 2016 #205
And yet here it stands ornotna Jul 2016 #213
The Hypocritical Standards are Transparent eom LarryNM Jul 2016 #220
As a Hillary supporter, let me say this: Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2016 #208
It is time for Dems to unite trixie Jul 2016 #209
Yes. Stryder Jul 2016 #212
I Don't Think Some Understand Yallow Jul 2016 #214
Most of us have come around. The rest will... Ken Burch Jul 2016 #215
Stop this nonsense, it's unnecessary. After forcing myself to watch mountain grammy Jul 2016 #219
No. woofless Jul 2016 #221
Stop what? mwooldri Jul 2016 #222
Wow. Phlem Jul 2016 #225
There's so much passive aggression in this OP I don't even know where to start. Gene Debs Jul 2016 #226
Please stop suggesting that Sanders supporters would sabotage America! Shoonra Jul 2016 #227
You need to stop! Lunabell Jul 2016 #229
"Let's you and them fight." No thanks. klook Jul 2016 #230
Most Bernie fans will bite the bullet and vote 4 Hillary, **against Trump** nikto Jul 2016 #234
Two out of three voters in my home were Bernie Supporters; both support Hillary full bore. NNadir Jul 2016 #236
It is politics, simply.. scuciti Jul 2016 #237
Hillary doesn't HAVE to do anything but beat Trump. If you're pushing a private agenda in your... NNadir Jul 2016 #243
I was hoping for an intelligent response scuciti Jul 2016 #256
yep. Phlem Jul 2016 #279
You have captured my thoughts, exactly (NT) louis c Jul 2016 #238
Exhibit A regarding .... Scuba Jul 2016 #239
Picking Tim Kaine Don Draper Jul 2016 #242
As a Bernie support, I agree with you. Craig234 Jul 2016 #246
Dear Hillary Supporters mdbl Jul 2016 #252
I prefer Bernie, but he's not running anymore MynameisBlarney Jul 2016 #255
"Bernie Supporters" Act_of_Reparation Jul 2016 #257
INORITE?! MynameisBlarney Jul 2016 #265
And what makes the complainers think these people are representative of "Bernie Supporters" Act_of_Reparation Jul 2016 #270
No idea. MynameisBlarney Jul 2016 #271
If it's Kaine, I'm fkn done with with with the Dem Party oxymoron Jul 2016 #259
Which leaves you with Trump. Don't let the door hit you in the ass. Squinch Jul 2016 #264
Bernie who? Never heard of him. GOLGO 13 Jul 2016 #260
I do not want a dumpster in the oval office. Gol Hillary! lonestarnot Jul 2016 #261
Assumptions and incorrect generalizations about who we are and what we do jimlup Jul 2016 #262
I like how you start with the word :dear: Hiraeth Jul 2016 #266
Maybe we should round them up in camps until December? Orrex Jul 2016 #267
SSDD, if we all got along some here would have nothing to do. Rex Jul 2016 #269
Dear Cyrano. Please. Stop! shireen Jul 2016 #274
Stop what? KPN Jul 2016 #276
Fear and Loathing in Clintonville icv03985 Jul 2016 #277
My memory of the 90s is different bluedye33139 Jul 2016 #281
Thus, my naivety icv03985 Jul 2016 #288
This thread is divisive. Someone please delete oir lock it. KPN Jul 2016 #290
+100000000000000 Gorgatron Jul 2016 #292
It's support for Hillary so it ain't gonna happen. Phlem Jul 2016 #315
It's sickening that any so called "Democrat" could be so selfish to help elect a white nationalist. grossproffit Jul 2016 #310
Most Bernie Sanders Supporters already Support Clinton. nt LostOne4Ever Jul 2016 #313
Here is a hug for you... Matt_R Jul 2016 #316
But we were told time & again, even here on DU WolverineDG Jul 2016 #318
You might enjoy this post and subthread: vintx Jul 2016 #319
I think there are agitators among those who are really dedicated. Their role is mfcorey1 Jul 2016 #324
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