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Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
34. Ahh, finally, some claims that need unpacking!
Mon Aug 1, 2016, 03:12 AM
Aug 2016

[div class="excerpt" style="margin-left:1em; border:1px solid #bfbfbf; border-radius:0.4615em; box-shadow:-1px -1px 3px #999999 inset;"]RoundUp Ready 2 crops are already ineffective, since many of the weeds have become tolerant to it. This requires more and more applications and locks the farmers into a paradigm that is near unsustainable for them. With the increases in temperatures, there will be more virulent strains of weeds that will overcome the current applications, so this methodology is deeply flawed.

I will say that herbicide resistance in weed plants is a concern, and effective alternatives should always be researched and developed.

[div class="excerpt" style="margin-left:1em; border:1px solid #bfbfbf; border-radius:0.4615em; box-shadow:-1px -1px 3px #999999 inset;"]From a biosciences part, the human body has been raised to eat local foods, so folks raised for a ten millennia on British isle foods differ from folks who have eaten North American foods for 16,000 years. To Brits and most all Europeaners, corn is quasi-toxic since it is not an indigenous food, introduced only 400 years ago.

This one is just wrong, on so many different levels, first off, if you want to turn back the clock to before the Columbian Exchange, good luck with that. Beyond that, everything in this paragraph is wrong, we evolved on junk diets where variety was the key to survival, not hyper localized food sources with intolerances to foods outside such local sources. If that were true, our ancestors would have gone extinct a million years ago. We actually have the marks in our bodies of our varied, extreme omnivore diets, we are trichromatic, to pick out a large variety of plants to eat, we have developed tolerances, more so than most animals, to alcohol, lactose, and many other food sources etc. The very shape of our bodies, the reason we sweat rather than pant is to run down animals that may be faster than us in sprints, but can never compare to us in marathons.


[div class="excerpt" style="margin-left:1em; border:1px solid #bfbfbf; border-radius:0.4615em; box-shadow:-1px -1px 3px #999999 inset;"]When you alter the genetic composition of crops, especially when animal strains are embedded in plant crops, it creates foods that are unknown to the human body. While consumable, like HFCS, there are issues with the processing of them within the body that might take many decades to surface. Unfortunately, most of the the university research labs and corporate biological labs in the US are partly funded by BigAg and BigPhRMA, so their studies always seem to create either confusion, like FOX News does to world events, or supports the corporations almost 100% of the time. Now, as a betting person who sees so many pharmaceuticals fail when rushed into service, this seems to contrast the peer science results from the many studies that preceded their approval.

Right off the bat, the first sentence is factually wrong, I don't know what you mean by strains, but the fact is the proteins coded are NOT completely novel to human consumption, even when sourced from other kingdoms, such as animals, fungi, bacteria, etc. Genetic engineering does not create novel proteins on its own, at most it may introduce a protein into a food that didn't have it before, but considering the source genetic material is usually a plant or animal we already consume safely that produces the same protein, that doesn't make a food that is unknown to the human body.

As to your second sentence, it's been widely known since the 1970s that overconsumption of sugars, including fructose, can possibly develop problems with obesity and type 2 diabetes, along with a host of health problems. The reason for the focus on HFCS is because corn is the cheapest(due to subsidies) source for fructose, and it's a widely used sweetener. Sucrose is not really any better, at least at the levels that Americans consume sugar. Too much of anything can be damaging, this is a classic example of that.

And, of course, you go straight to the "science is corrupted" by big money gambit, which you have devolved into a conspiracy theory.

Roundup is a safe herbicide because it's been tested as being safer than most other herbicides by every independent test you can think of on the planet.

[div class="excerpt" style="margin-left:1em; border:1px solid #bfbfbf; border-radius:0.4615em; box-shadow:-1px -1px 3px #999999 inset;"]The slow, and sometimes suspicious cross pollination that occurs on farms slowly decreases the variety of plants, which exposes the food crops to a catastrophic event, if some blight were to target specific GMO crops. Biodiversity has always been the key to survival of species. What's worse is that Pioneer is going around to over 100 countries and working out free seed programs, especially targeting poor countries. The people kill off their legacy crops and then seed their fields with the hybrids that require repurchasing each cycle, since the farmer then loses the ability to use 10% of their seed crop to replant. This effectively creates a poverty condition for developing countries, as the US and EU floods their markets with crops 1/4th the price of local farmers to put them out of business and monopolize the industry... all while World Bank and the UN claims to support and help grow these regions.

This has been a problem since the Green Revolution and predates GMOs by decades, the question is, do you want a few billion people to die off so we can go back to pre-industrial farming? While monocultures are a problem, hybrids and the consistency of the crop dramatically increases yield per acre, which means less land needs to be used to feed people, which helps preserve existing ecosystems. There are always trade offs.

GMO fear is the same as Global Warming Denail Agnosticsherbet Jul 2016 #1
Exactly. HuckleB Aug 2016 #26
What fun! Dancing on the graves of the people who want information about their food! RapSoDee Jul 2016 #2
Being informed = accepting the science that GMO's are SAFE. nt alp227 Jul 2016 #5
Science is self correcting not a religion. katsy Jul 2016 #17
Then where are the studies to debunk the current consensus? alp227 Jul 2016 #18
There isnt one fucking study that satisfies monsanto people. katsy Jul 2016 #19
What "Monsanto politics" do you not like? n/t Humanist_Activist Jul 2016 #20
Start here katsy Jul 2016 #23
OK, that's understandable, they donate to Republicans about 3 times more than Democrats... Humanist_Activist Jul 2016 #24
👍🏻 katsy Aug 2016 #25
That would be a pretty good trick Major Nikon Aug 2016 #50
Thalidomide anyone? PatSeg Aug 2016 #57
More like dancing on the lies of con artists. HuckleB Aug 2016 #28
No, I am calling out a belief that anti-science, anti-intellevtual, and Agnosticsherbet Aug 2016 #36
If it's harmless, why the desire to prevent from labeling it? NightWatcher Jul 2016 #3
SMH alp227 Jul 2016 #4
That's a BS argument NightWatcher Jul 2016 #7
Actually, that depicts exactly the argument you were making. NuclearDem Jul 2016 #9
What an ironic sig line you got alp227 Jul 2016 #12
I'm a fan of science and also of informed choice. Why are you anti choice? NightWatcher Jul 2016 #13
Because said "choice" is based on PSEUDOSCIENCE! alp227 Jul 2016 #14
I saw paper plates labeled and some salt both labeled "gluten free". Why aren't they all labeled th uppityperson Aug 2016 #54
Then why don't organic companies label their Mutation Bred Organisms? HuckleB Aug 2016 #27
Because there's nothing more natural than bombarding seeds with ionizing radiation Major Nikon Aug 2016 #37
But of course... HuckleB Aug 2016 #42
Here's what's interesting about it Major Nikon Aug 2016 #43
Thank you, I've been hunting for that image for a while. :) n/t X_Digger Aug 2016 #47
Hint: It's Chemtrails! longship Jul 2016 #6
As the GMO chemtrails are labeled, it's all good. HuckleB Aug 2016 #29
Guess you'll just have a double dose of glyphosate then? Moliere Jul 2016 #8
As opposed to what? Bradical79 Jul 2016 #15
Glyphosate is far less toxic than quite a few other chemicals we have in our foods... Humanist_Activist Jul 2016 #21
Glyphosate runoff kills downstream vegetation and aquatic life, needed for the local biosystems. TheBlackAdder Aug 2016 #31
So do most other herbicides, many of which are also piscicides. Not sure what your argument is. nt Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #32
How's this, as a former farmer and science buff.... TheBlackAdder Aug 2016 #33
Ahh, finally, some claims that need unpacking! Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #34
Wow, what an "I'm full of it" response. Also, non-Agent Orange based Herbs, breakdown within 48 hrs. TheBlackAdder Aug 2016 #35
glyphosate is used all over the EU Major Nikon Aug 2016 #39
Not only that, pesticide residues are measured in ppb Major Nikon Aug 2016 #38
Defending GMOs on grounds that they are not poisonous is like defending manufacturers who exploit Attorney in Texas Jul 2016 #10
labeling GMOs is a scare tactic Mosby Jul 2016 #11
Your first link uses the widely discredited Seralini rat study as evidence Major Nikon Aug 2016 #40
And with all due respect bluedye33139 Aug 2016 #53
And the problem there is that all plants contaminate others. HuckleB Aug 2016 #55
But so easily contained that legislation is not even needed to address it bluedye33139 Aug 2016 #56
Its not that being GMO itself is bad madokie Jul 2016 #16
Uhm, that's not an issue unique to GMOs, do you oppose all agriculture? n/t Humanist_Activist Jul 2016 #22
... Major Nikon Aug 2016 #41
The GMO Bill that Obama signed is, what Food & Water Watch calls: "Monsanto's Dream Bill" TheBlackAdder Aug 2016 #30
Kinda funny how Big-OrganicŪ is blaming GMO for increased cost to organic farmers Major Nikon Aug 2016 #52
GMO's: "the biggest scientific fraud of our age" nationalize the fed Aug 2016 #44
Steven Druker is a fraud. Archae Aug 2016 #48
Steven Druker and yogic flying instructor Jeffrey Smith are best buds Major Nikon Aug 2016 #51
Jane Goodall and Steven Druker Expose US Government Fraud over GMOs PatSeg Aug 2016 #58
LOL! And what about those folks that want labels so they can buy GMO products? Rex Aug 2016 #45
Jeffrey Smith, yogic flying instructor Major Nikon Aug 2016 #46
Wow. Hey now they are only at 'stage 1' of transmentalismishmash splish splash I'm taking a bath! Rex Aug 2016 #49
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