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amandabeech

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29. They take the long, long, long view.

Sun Aug 14, 2016, 11:31 PM

Aug 2016

They'll take the hit commercially if they think that their existence is threatened, or if they think that they will come out better in the long run.

The only thing I learned in world history class was that the Chinese think that they are the Middle Kingdom and the rest of us are barbarians.

Commercial ties don't always mean peace. The European powers traded with one another all the time before WWI. Ships and railroad cars were moving all over, except with the Russians, the goods had to be transferred to very wide gauge Russian cars at the frontier. You know how that turned out.

So I don't hold with the theory as much as many people do.

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Disappointed' in Obama, Sanders Calls on Top Dems to Drop Lame Duck TPP Push [View all] villager Aug 2016 OP

is bernie waking up from his post-convention sleep? nt msongs Aug 2016 #1

Well, TPP's rise from the near-dead could be considered a rude awakening. nt villager Aug 2016 #2

No. He is obviously reacting to Presidents push to have the dems sign the TPP CentralMass Aug 2016 #3

Thank you, Senator Sanders! ananda Aug 2016 #4

+1000 FreakinDJ Aug 2016 #26

Why the hell is Obama bringing this up again? My guess is he knows the Republicans will doc03 Aug 2016 #5

You're saying his actual reason for bringing up a policy he clearly advocates... villager Aug 2016 #6

I don't get it with Trump against TPP and Sanders, Clinton, Warren and doc03 Aug 2016 #7

Because he thinks it is the right thing to do? Egnever Aug 2016 #13

You haven't noticed we have lost all our good paying manufacturing jobs? nt doc03 Aug 2016 #15

What does that have to do with the Tpp? Egnever Aug 2016 #36

From what the opponents to TPP say TPP is NAFTA on steroids that's what. Everyone made doc03 Aug 2016 #42

From what the opponents say... Egnever Aug 2016 #46

Let me see a list of labor unions that back TPP n/t doc03 Aug 2016 #47

Again not an argument of it's ills Egnever Aug 2016 #48

Can't beleive you missed the 100s of threads here at DU illustrating all thats wrong FreakinDJ Aug 2016 #27

Oh I have seen hundreds of posts decrying how evil it is Egnever Aug 2016 #35

He wouldn't push it unless he thought that he could get it through. amandabeech Aug 2016 #19

Ahem grubbs Aug 2016 #31

Ahem. The big companies will sue the small companies and state and local amandabeech Aug 2016 #33

Aaand not a word of that true.. Egnever Aug 2016 #40

more ahem Egnever Aug 2016 #38

Aaand since I am aheming Here's more of it. Egnever Aug 2016 #39

Obama will clear the deck for Clinton in the lame duck. TPP will pass and Garland will be confirmed. tritsofme Aug 2016 #8

Then the Democrats will have to wear TPP around their neck just like NAFTA. doc03 Aug 2016 #9

Just like they have to wear the ACA Egnever Aug 2016 #10

More like their Iraq war votes. nt villager Aug 2016 #12

And the problems in Libya and Syria. amandabeech Aug 2016 #20

Hey, when disasters are *this* profitable... villager Aug 2016 #22

We're not much better than our enemies with this surveillance. amandabeech Aug 2016 #23

But... we're "free!" villager Aug 2016 #24

If they say so. amandabeech Aug 2016 #25

Obama negotiated the agreement...Why would he want to kick the can down the road? tritsofme Aug 2016 #11

if Dems wanted to win , they'd vote this down BEFORE the election yurbud Aug 2016 #14

The 2 most important priorities are (1)winning this election, & (2) defeating TPP. Faryn Balyncd Aug 2016 #43

When DLCers lose, they blame progressives but ignore the gun in their own hand and the holes in yurbud Aug 2016 #44

"Guns don't kill our election chances -- those pesky liberals do!" nt villager Aug 2016 #45

k&r nationalize the fed Aug 2016 #16

We're having problems with China and their navy in the South China Sea. amandabeech Aug 2016 #21

China won't go to war because they can't afford it FreakinDJ Aug 2016 #28

They take the long, long, long view. amandabeech Aug 2016 #29

Once again proving he's still got our backs. Thank you Sen. Sanders. Doremus Aug 2016 #17

Exactly. On both counts. nt villager Aug 2016 #18

Yup. K&R nt riderinthestorm Aug 2016 #32

Rolling my eyes...LITERALLY!!!! UMTerp01 Aug 2016 #30

Yea, but all those that wish for the monstrosity are only seeing is rolls of cash nolabels Aug 2016 #41

DFA PETITION to Hillary Clinton: Ask White House to oppose Lame Duck TPP Vote Faryn Balyncd Aug 2016 #34

He's not alone. John Conyers wrote a very strong piece about his opposition to an LD vote cali Aug 2016 #37