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bettyellen

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259. The sneering indifference and condensation is embarrassing.

Reply to bravenak (Reply #129)

Mon Aug 15, 2016, 10:04 AM

Aug 2016

They got theirs, and that's all that matters.

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How is it NOT a display of white privilege to mock the idea of "Safe Spaces"? [View all] Ken Burch Aug 2016 OP

Poor sensitive souls... TipTok Aug 2016 #1

Why isn't it enough that their ideas can be challenged everywhere ELSE? Ken Burch Aug 2016 #3

Never? TipTok Aug 2016 #5

The professor who did that apologized and resigned. That wasn't a "safe space" issue. Ken Burch Aug 2016 #12

So, the proper response to being surrounded by segregationists NuclearDem Aug 2016 #154

Except challenging ideas shuts down ideas counter to the rulers of the university... scscholar Aug 2016 #151

What? TipTok Aug 2016 #155

That first paragraph needs to be dissected. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2016 #45

"Safe Spaces" are all about total control. ileus Aug 2016 #132

what objective evidence leads you to such a flawed conclusion? LanternWaste Aug 2016 #14

I calls 'em like I sees 'em TipTok Aug 2016 #23

You can gain that mental strength without being subjected to delegitimization. Ken Burch Aug 2016 #38

Self segregation is the ultimate in delegitimization. n/t lumberjack_jeff Aug 2016 #46

Not calling for self-segregation. Ken Burch Aug 2016 #117

I suspect your definition of persecution varies significantly from mine... TipTok Aug 2016 #49

It goes without saying that neither of us ever have or ever will experience persecution. Ken Burch Aug 2016 #109

Lol. You can't know that. Bonx Aug 2016 #161

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2016 #83

I calls 'em like I sees 'em MattBaggins Aug 2016 #59

You could avoid hearing it Bonx Aug 2016 #62

Are you suggesting that the ability to observe... TipTok Aug 2016 #108

That's not a very well thought-out argument considering -- Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2016 #286

I agree. cwydro Aug 2016 #121

Perhaps a better sports analogy would be training camp petronius Aug 2016 #146

Same difference... TipTok Aug 2016 #156

Yes, as well as introspection, reflection, idea-sharing, encouragement, etc petronius Aug 2016 #158

Fair enough... TipTok Aug 2016 #190

Campus spaces are used by wide range of student groups for a wide range petronius Aug 2016 #200

5 year olds form "clubs" to keep people out cleveramerican Aug 2016 #234

Your safe space... Puha Ekapi Aug 2016 #153

every square inch of a college campus is supposed to fit your definition of a safe space. geek tragedy Aug 2016 #2

I pointed out that there aren't safe spaces outside college campuses. Ken Burch Aug 2016 #4

"some place where they don't have to be perpetually on guard" geek tragedy Aug 2016 #10

You shouldn't have to hide in your dorm room to feel safe. Ken Burch Aug 2016 #19

I don't talk to any college kids. geek tragedy Aug 2016 #20

No slurs. No hostility or delitimization An absolute guarantee of no violence. Ken Burch Aug 2016 #22

those are already the rules for college campuses. geek tragedy Aug 2016 #25

And women, POC, LGBTQ and Muslim student groups keep having to protest Ken Burch Aug 2016 #40

yes, that's what they do, instead of retreating into safe enclaves nt geek tragedy Aug 2016 #63

No one is calling for anyone to retreat. Ken Burch Aug 2016 #118

Of course they should life is a constant battle Egnever Aug 2016 #138

Are you aware that they can enroll at Safe Space University? snooper2 Aug 2016 #149

You lose your argument GulfCoast66 Aug 2016 #86

Isn't that the way...? TipTok Aug 2016 #125

You should, then. Especially LGBTQ college kids. Ken Burch Aug 2016 #115

Oh within the last week cali Aug 2016 #31

I'd be interested in having a beer with your friend. Ken Burch Aug 2016 #36

And, if someone threatens to shoot every black person on said campus loyalsister Aug 2016 #119

no, of course not. geek tragedy Aug 2016 #120

That's exactly what happened on the MU campus. loyalsister Aug 2016 #122

I would say safe spaces could be interpreted as Shankapotomus Aug 2016 #197

I think Q addressed that Bok_Tukalo Aug 2016 #6

It's often much more than a bloody nose. Ken Burch Aug 2016 #13

There is nothing OK about punching someone in the face resulting in a bloody nose either in a Person 2713 Aug 2016 #58

Then press charges Loki Liesmith Aug 2016 #178

Bloody nose stab to your back - you can take it and enjoy it right ? Person 2713 Aug 2016 #54

And Q is a bully and without his advantages he's a coward. LeftyMom Aug 2016 #110

I'm a white cis professional female lapucelle Aug 2016 #7

"The Coddling of the American Mind" trotsky Aug 2016 #8

Yes. cali Aug 2016 #33

^^ THIS ^^ nt. jonno99 Aug 2016 #43

That's a very good article, enjoyed reading it emulatorloo Aug 2016 #76

Good God. NuclearDem Aug 2016 #85

I'm indifferent to safe spaces. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2016 #9

If college doesn't make you a little uncomfortable ProudToBeBlueInRhody Aug 2016 #11

Safe spaces aren't for the priveliged-they're for the powerless, for the dispossessed. Ken Burch Aug 2016 #16

Who says someone from a small town, never exposed to gay people.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Aug 2016 #18

Not rich, but privileged in the sense that straight male people always have more power Ken Burch Aug 2016 #21

Yes even to delegitimization Loki Liesmith Aug 2016 #177

If someone possesses the power to exclude, discriminate, segregate and deny physical passage to Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2016 #257

Wow. The anger is palpable. And ugly. bettyellen Aug 2016 #262

Any perception of anger in my post is yours and yours alone. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2016 #272

Having one bit of "power" in one area does not give you power others do not posess.... bettyellen Aug 2016 #274

Thank you for proving exactly why "safe spaces" is such a cancerous idea. NuclearDem Aug 2016 #276

You keep repeating yourself as if that suddenly makes you correct. Lol, nope. bettyellen Aug 2016 #278

That's almost as substantive an argument as "you're a racist." NuclearDem Aug 2016 #280

"Too uppity for you, amiright? We get it." Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2016 #283

LBGT and POC have been sheltered from negativity all their lives? Are you fucking joking? bettyellen Aug 2016 #258

Are you talking to me? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Aug 2016 #261

Yep, you seem blissfully unaware as to why there is a need for safe spaces. bettyellen Aug 2016 #263

And you seem completely unaware.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Aug 2016 #270

I can see SMALL safe spaces. backscatter712 Aug 2016 #15

I'd forgotten about her... TipTok Aug 2016 #28

Is there no way to hold "a rational adult discussion"... Ken Burch Aug 2016 #34

Two things... TipTok Aug 2016 #44

Funny how no one wants to talk about equality anymore davidn3600 Aug 2016 #17

I want to talk about equality. We NEED equality. At the moment, we're nowhere near it. Ken Burch Aug 2016 #26

Equality means that they are as free to challenge me... TipTok Aug 2016 #32

What arguments do you feel you've been stopped from making? Ken Burch Aug 2016 #35

I certainly haven't because I was educated... TipTok Aug 2016 #47

You wonder why people call this "Generation Snowflake?" davidn3600 Aug 2016 #52

This kind of shit makes me embarrassed to be a Millennial. NuclearDem Aug 2016 #92

. Egnever Aug 2016 #140

Guess what GulfCoast66 Aug 2016 #88

What exactly are you saying? nt clarice Aug 2016 #91

Probably that the open marketplace of ideas NuclearDem Aug 2016 #94

You would not think GulfCoast66 Aug 2016 #97

This isn't an issue with liberals running the show. NuclearDem Aug 2016 #99

this clarice Aug 2016 #139

VERY well said.nt clarice Aug 2016 #137

I thought I was pretty clear GulfCoast66 Aug 2016 #96

... NuclearDem Aug 2016 #89

Sound like you miss the "good old days" when people had less knowledge and understand of social bettyellen Aug 2016 #250

Political correctness run amok. nt clarice Aug 2016 #24

How do you run amok? Ken Burch Aug 2016 #29

LOL...hit it with a hammer.nt clarice Aug 2016 #230

Those who complain about PC just wish they can say "N*gger" in polite company. n/t Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #163

Well that's certainly doubleplusungood. NuclearDem Aug 2016 #164

Ok, define it. I have yet to see it defined... Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #166

Frankly, I think no matter what definition I provide NuclearDem Aug 2016 #170

You mean like all those men offended by an innocent comment by Rebecca Watson? Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #176

Word. n/t. Ken Burch Aug 2016 #256

+1 Marr Aug 2016 #217

You figured me out. Throd Aug 2016 #165

Just an observation of those who complain the loudest about "Political Correctness"... Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #167

Just because you're offended, it doesn't mean you're right. Throd Aug 2016 #173

What "trifling" matters? Can you give an example? n/t Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #175

Black churches were traditionally thought of as a "safe space" for black Americans. That is until... Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2016 #27

Very, very true. Ken Burch Aug 2016 #30

Those 4 little girls who died in the church in the south disagree big time with that. yeoman6987 Aug 2016 #55

Of course. But even after that tragedy, the black church continues to be an institution for Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2016 #61

I hope they return to places they can pray in without worry. yeoman6987 Aug 2016 #69

Me, too most definitely! Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2016 #70

An interesting range of responses. guillaumeb Aug 2016 #37

Thanks for that. You've described the situation more concisely and effectively than I did. Ken Burch Aug 2016 #41

I thought your description was very clear. guillaumeb Aug 2016 #57

On the "straight white male" privileges list anoNY42 Aug 2016 #131

That may have happened, but you weren't going to be drummed out of the service Ken Burch Aug 2016 #144

It was a civilian that did it, so there was no "reporting it" anoNY42 Aug 2016 #145

Which, again, means there was no power relationship involved. Ken Burch Aug 2016 #147

"But if you are a straight white male: anoNY42 Aug 2016 #150

A grope on a buttock is not the equivalent of being beaten up for marching in a parade. Ken Burch Aug 2016 #160

I agree anoNY42 Aug 2016 #193

Exceedingly rarely, then. Ken Burch Aug 2016 #207

Understood and agreed. guillaumeb Aug 2016 #159

Actually, whites are often stopped for travelling through the non-white neighborhoods Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2016 #287

I'm sorry to say... tonedevil Aug 2016 #39

Thanks for pointing that out. Ken Burch Aug 2016 #42

Are you not a member of the dominant group deciding whether oppression has been dealt with? lumberjack_jeff Aug 2016 #51

All I've "decided" is that I'm NOT entitled to have the last word on the subject. Ken Burch Aug 2016 #111

Who is entitled to have the last word anyway? Loki Liesmith Aug 2016 #181

Yep. And a lot of us black DUers have been trying, unsuccessfully, to point this out. Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2016 #71

Unfortunately... tonedevil Aug 2016 #87

So what? Loki Liesmith Aug 2016 #180

Your answer... tonedevil Aug 2016 #182

It is enough to be safe. It is an impossible goal to require that everyone feel safe. n/t lumberjack_jeff Aug 2016 #48

Ok so they have safe space for 4 years in college yeoman6987 Aug 2016 #50

Don't kid yourself about that GulfCoast66 Aug 2016 #93

Is it the purpose of higher education to equip people to handle adversity? MsJaneFuzzyWuzzy Aug 2016 #192

Yep hate is now just a point of view one needs to be comfortable with for freedumb Person 2713 Aug 2016 #202

Except those "safe spaces" lead to authoritarian thought mythology Aug 2016 #53

Well said... TipTok Aug 2016 #56

Using your words: guillaumeb Aug 2016 #60

They become dogmatic as well, and brittle. Marr Aug 2016 #66

Any therapist worth their salt would know that the desire for a "safe space" is not Dark n Stormy Knight Aug 2016 #73

This message was self-deleted by its author bluedye33139 Aug 2016 #77

Ugh this "authoritarian" bullshit again.... Seriously the resentment toward women and POC here since bettyellen Aug 2016 #251

Any post that has free speech in quotes.... TipTok Aug 2016 #253

Go bury your head in more Orwell. I'm sure no one has been going after your civil rights .... bettyellen Aug 2016 #260

Maybe you should just make a list of approved conversational topics... TipTok Aug 2016 #266

Libertarian paranoia. Lol. This is a private forum bettyellen Aug 2016 #268

Free speech isn't (or shouldn't be) only a libertarian ideal... TipTok Aug 2016 #269

It's not a right that is extended in many places and times- never was. bettyellen Aug 2016 #275

The USSR just wanted a safe space for the proletariat Seeking Serenity Aug 2016 #64

The Soviet leadership wanted a safe space for itself, not the proletariat. Ken Burch Aug 2016 #114

The concept is infantile. Marr Aug 2016 #65

There are no such thing as safe spaces in the real world ram2008 Aug 2016 #67

The idea is just really silly. No evil privelege involved. Throd Aug 2016 #68

A lot of the responses said my piece better than I could romanic Aug 2016 #72

"Safe spaces" were invented by very privileged white people. n/t Old Union Guy Aug 2016 #74

This message was self-deleted by its author bluedye33139 Aug 2016 #75

"Safe spaces" make no sense, no matter what color you are. TeacherB87 Aug 2016 #78

Have you ever heard of verbal ABUSE? Shankapotomus Aug 2016 #199

And this person identifies as a teacher , so it is not just students who think verbal abuse is OK Person 2713 Aug 2016 #203

Someone once told me Shankapotomus Aug 2016 #205

Are you suggesting I am like this professor because I question the use of safe spaces at colleges? TeacherB87 Aug 2016 #213

No, I'm not. Shankapotomus Aug 2016 #215

Yet again you're making assumptions. TeacherB87 Aug 2016 #218

What an offensive overgeneralization. TeacherB87 Aug 2016 #212

Kids creating safe spaces on college campuses are not doing so because they are being abused. TeacherB87 Aug 2016 #211

It really boils down to this Shankapotomus Aug 2016 #216

I agree. TeacherB87 Aug 2016 #219

You can't know people's past experiences or personal issues Shankapotomus Aug 2016 #221

You're assumptions are arrogant. TeacherB87 Aug 2016 #226

Let me come at this another way Shankapotomus Aug 2016 #227

That's a much better point to make. TeacherB87 Aug 2016 #232

Ultimately, you're arguing against people's personal comfort Shankapotomus Aug 2016 #235

+1 Marr Aug 2016 #245

Are you a psychologist? Shankapotomus Aug 2016 #289

If we don't know someone's past experience or personal issues Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2016 #288

Uhm, safe spaces were CREATED by LGBT and people of color as a means of protection... Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #223

I'm gay and know the value of that space. TeacherB87 Aug 2016 #231

It isn't priviliged kids protecting themselves. THAT is a right-wing myth. Ken Burch Aug 2016 #242

The leader of the Mizzou protests where all this safe space nonsense started NuclearDem Aug 2016 #247

It depends what the "safe space" is. Oneironaut Aug 2016 #79

Seems okay, but... HassleCat Aug 2016 #80

"Safe spaces" exist for people who want to turn wider scrutiny of their ideas NuclearDem Aug 2016 #81

Spot on! Thank you! tritsofme Aug 2016 #95

Excellent essay nt MrScorpio Aug 2016 #82

Totally for safe spaces GulfCoast66 Aug 2016 #84

Could be, cheapdate Aug 2016 #90

All the eye rolls melman Aug 2016 #98

because you learn to defend your opinion and position by being exposed to different ones. Warren DeMontague Aug 2016 #100

STOP IT WARREN NuclearDem Aug 2016 #101

If you were in your safe space... Dr. Strange Aug 2016 #102

try posting from an ipad Warren DeMontague Aug 2016 #103

you want I should kick your stubby, long-winded, Ipad-ing ass, Warren Demontague? Skittles Aug 2016 #104

I only arm wrestle the ladies, these days Warren DeMontague Aug 2016 #105

OMG Skittles Aug 2016 #106

Safe spaces are about respect, not ideological conformity. Ken Burch Aug 2016 #112

You did not address bullying or harassment Person 2713 Aug 2016 #208

I think it's important to distinguish bullying/harassment from someone having a different opinion Warren DeMontague Aug 2016 #209

Some people equate hearing a different opinion as harassment. Throd Aug 2016 #228

College students are adults. Nye Bevan Aug 2016 #107

Most offices I've known discourage the simple free excange of ideas/argue with those you disagree Chathamization Aug 2016 #249

What is the difference between safe spaces and white flight? Renew Deal Aug 2016 #113

White flight is about defending the powerful and the privileged Ken Burch Aug 2016 #116

Defending them from what, the real world? romanic Aug 2016 #123

I agree bravenak Aug 2016 #124

What lesson(s) do you take from most of the responses received by this OP? Ken Burch Aug 2016 #126

Ohhh! I just see the same old same old. Nothing new in the responses bravenak Aug 2016 #129

The sneering indifference and condensation is embarrassing. bettyellen Aug 2016 #259

surprised at how some are behaiving bravenak Aug 2016 #281

btw, if anyone remembers what was in the auto-removed post(post #83) Ken Burch Aug 2016 #127

How are "safe spaces" operationalized? David__77 Aug 2016 #128

the equal and opposite should also be true... the_sly_pig Aug 2016 #130

So-called "safe spaces" are a ridiculous notion and the result of overprotective parents and schools Lee-Lee Aug 2016 #133

That's an interesting thought. Marr Aug 2016 #152

Can "safe spaces" be criticized without being "mocked" in your view? Orrex Aug 2016 #134

The amount of RW talking points in this thread is horrifying. Odin2005 Aug 2016 #135

Terrible ideas deserve to be mocked.... TipTok Aug 2016 #136

The whole concept? Really? Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #183

That's what private property is for... TipTok Aug 2016 #191

I've been waiting for somebody to point this out. Ken Burch Aug 2016 #142

Oh please. romanic Aug 2016 #148

Most of DU? kcr Aug 2016 #188

Yes it does n/t gollygee Aug 2016 #240

I still say safe spaces are the internet coming to life The2ndWheel Aug 2016 #141

The internet is the OPPOSITE of a safe space. Ken Burch Aug 2016 #143

No filters? Of course there are filters. The person looking at the screeen being the biggest one. The2ndWheel Aug 2016 #171

We will fix that mwrguy Aug 2016 #252

I would suggest you look into apartments in Moscow or Beijing. NuclearDem Aug 2016 #254

Having a "safe space" IS a privilege Taitertots Aug 2016 #157

I always took safe spaces to be groups, clubs, and discussion forums.... Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #162

"but, frankly, most of it is hyperbole from anti-PC "bigots" who hate diversity in general." NuclearDem Aug 2016 #168

I'm sorry, that's bullshit, what ideas are labeled as bigotry that aren't actually bigotry? Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #169

Let's start with microaggressions. NuclearDem Aug 2016 #172

Oh my fucking god, really? Rebecca Watson makes a mild complaint about being... Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #174

People went nuts over what Rebecca Watson said NuclearDem Aug 2016 #184

I'm frankly amazed at the level of tone-deafness you have just posted... Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #185

"I was raised to NOT be an asshole. Is that really too much to ask?" NuclearDem Aug 2016 #186

The FIRST sentence out of that woman's mouth about micro-aggressions was differentiating... Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #187

"using the question of "what" to ask about a person is dehumanizing" The2ndWheel Aug 2016 #194

If you are shitting on Rebbeca Watson I think you are on the wrong website. Odin2005 Aug 2016 #195

Exactly. n/t Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #201

Rebecca Watson isn't an elected Democrat. NuclearDem Aug 2016 #206

What do you disagree with her on? Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #210

"What are you?" tends to be mostly aimed at certain types of people. The same with "Where are you Chathamization Aug 2016 #255

It's one thing if it's just, say the LGBT student org office... backscatter712 Aug 2016 #198

I would agree that turning a campus into a "safe space" is a misuse of the term... Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #204

Would you apply the same regimen if a progressive group wanted a progressive speaker to appear? Seeking Serenity Aug 2016 #220

It depends on whether they express beliefs that attack the existence of people's identities... Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #222

Ok, here's one, not only from someone who was routinely asked to speak at colleges Seeking Serenity Aug 2016 #224

And I would apply the same standard as I would to a misogynist. Question is, does she still... Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #225

It may be privilege Loki Liesmith Aug 2016 #179

Wouldn't it be great if real life had a TOS / Jury system where one could alert on language R. Daneel Olivaw Aug 2016 #189

Real life does have a jury system re: language. TwilightZone Aug 2016 #196

I can imagine the howls if I had demanded SAFE SPACE as a gal in the military in the 70's Skittles Aug 2016 #214

No one is saying anybody SHOULDN'T fight. I respect all who do. Ken Burch Aug 2016 #236

what kind of fantasy world do you live in? Skittles Aug 2016 #237

Of course they aren't different. Ken Burch Aug 2016 #241

"It's about having a few small places where you don't have to be on guard" romanic Aug 2016 #243

I listen to POC, LGBTQ people, women, Muslims, other groups subject to abuse and bigotry. Ken Burch Aug 2016 #244

And what do you do for them? romanic Aug 2016 #246

What about black folks that make fun of safe spaces, are they're displaying white privilege? ileus Aug 2016 #229

Safe from what? cleveramerican Aug 2016 #233

safe from the real world Skittles Aug 2016 #238

Safe from oppression gollygee Aug 2016 #239

Thanks for that. n/t. Ken Burch Aug 2016 #248

Thanks Ken. The most disturbing aspect of the primaries for me was to see bettyellen Aug 2016 #264

Social issues weren't actually peripheral to that candidate's interests. Ken Burch Aug 2016 #265

There were unfortunate quotes about them bettyellen Aug 2016 #267

I agree with all of that. Ken Burch Aug 2016 #271

Just saying I have seen some lingering resentment and I wonder if it figures into the hostility I bettyellen Aug 2016 #273

It may play something of a role, but I don't think it's a direct correlation. Ken Burch Aug 2016 #277

Post removed Post removed Aug 2016 #282

Sheesh...use names... TCJ70 Aug 2016 #284

I supported Bernie. My point in not using names was to avoid "refighting the primaries". Ken Burch Aug 2016 #294

So called "safe spaces" are used to censor opposing views. beevul Aug 2016 #279

"free of verbal abuse, free of slurs, free of the fear of violence" Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2016 #285

"Finally, we must ask what enforcement would look like." NuclearDem Aug 2016 #290

You keep linking to conservative websites to prop up your positions.... Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #291

Are you disputing whether or not the assaults occurred or are you just upset someone else noticed? Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2016 #293

Your concern seems to be over the source reporting an assault NuclearDem Aug 2016 #295

No. Just no. What those people are doing is not Progressivism. It isn't acceptable. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2016 #292