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gopiscrap

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84. I don't think we should be saying the pledge at all
Tue Aug 23, 2016, 11:07 PM
Aug 2016

saying the pledge, specially with hand over heart breeds a sense of nationalism that is not healthy. This is how the Nazi party started, by idolatry of a piece of cloth.

No. Of course not. Glorfindel Aug 2016 #1
this was ruled unconstitutional in 1943 and rightly so. unblock Aug 2016 #2
Not in a democracy, no. nt villager Aug 2016 #3
Old fashioned thing that should be done away with treestar Aug 2016 #4
NO relayerbob Aug 2016 #5
As a standard practice in primary schools, it seems benign at worst LanternWaste Aug 2016 #6
it used to require the arm held at a 45 degree angle Angry Dragon Aug 2016 #7
The "Pledge" can be challenged. When Congress passed, and Eisenhower signed, the adding of words. tonyt53 Aug 2016 #8
No. sinkingfeeling Aug 2016 #9
It's not clear to me gratuitous Aug 2016 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author kestrel91316 Aug 2016 #53
This shoudl make it clear: Ms. Toad Aug 2016 #68
Actually I suspected it was the second one gratuitous Aug 2016 #87
No mcar Aug 2016 #11
no. La Lioness Priyanka Aug 2016 #12
NO n/t prairierose Aug 2016 #13
They can be exempted if they wear a flag lapel pin milestogo Aug 2016 #14
And can tap dance to "I'm a Yankee Doodle Dandy". trof Aug 2016 #25
And they will be tested on how well they can do a 'buck and wing' Stonepounder Aug 2016 #28
No. Even if we remove the words "under god," Hortensis Aug 2016 #15
Hardly. Igel Aug 2016 #58
Well, you're very sincere, but I couldn't disagree more Hortensis Aug 2016 #89
A permission slip should not be needed. LuvNewcastle Aug 2016 #16
^ this right here. nt cyberswede Aug 2016 #86
In the late 1960s I stopped reciting the pledge to protest the Vietnam War csziggy Aug 2016 #94
OMGerd, next thing ya know, the kids won't have to learn cursive writing1!!1!! KG Aug 2016 #17
Many schools have already stopped teaching cursive. It's moronic Exilednight Aug 2016 #43
Albeit off topic, absolutely the truth. It requires/activates brain functions. Same with learning a libdem4life Aug 2016 #66
I never did. hunter Aug 2016 #18
No, all should be required to at least stand quietly & respectfully while the class does. WillowTree Aug 2016 #19
I believe the SC has already decided this issue. July Aug 2016 #21
True. Heaven forbid that kids should be taught to show respect for the Country they live in. WillowTree Aug 2016 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author kestrel91316 Aug 2016 #54
I already said I didn't think that kids should be forced to say the pledge. WillowTree Aug 2016 #70
well, they can't be. But I agree they shouldn't disrupt other people doing it. Warren DeMontague Aug 2016 #76
Well, that's just childish and stupid. Dr. Strange Aug 2016 #98
SLACK! Warren DeMontague Aug 2016 #100
Respect is earned not automatically granted. avebury Aug 2016 #56
What about kids whose nation disrespects them? bravenak Aug 2016 #57
This country respects freedom of religion or from it surprise ! Jehovah witness etc are allowed here Person 2713 Aug 2016 #64
And what is "the Country"? Is it the rocks? The dirt? The map? The road system? Flag design? Warren DeMontague Aug 2016 #75
Heaven forbid children should be forced to participate in a forced nationalistic ritual. July Sep 2016 #103
"country" nt July Sep 2016 #104
Why should they stand? trof Aug 2016 #27
Just my opinion, which is as valid as anyone else's. WillowTree Aug 2016 #30
This message was self-deleted by its author kestrel91316 Aug 2016 #55
So they should stand because you say so? ForgoTheConsequence Aug 2016 #74
Read the SC decisions to learn why. Nt July Sep 2016 #105
I didn't stand. I read quietly. hunter Aug 2016 #62
No, nobody should. smirkymonkey Aug 2016 #20
Tmes change kskiska Aug 2016 #22
No matt819 Aug 2016 #23
I was in grade school in the 50's leftyladyfrommo Aug 2016 #24
Did you practice duck and cover in case of an air raid? milestogo Aug 2016 #39
I did. "Under God" was not in the Pledge then, MineralMan Aug 2016 #48
No. LWolf Aug 2016 #26
No way BSdetect Aug 2016 #29
NO....!!! Grey Aug 2016 #31
No. It infringes on the First Amendment on two fronts. Xolodno Aug 2016 #32
They should also have to say "UNDER GOD" extra loud to prove they mean it. JoePhilly Aug 2016 #34
Good story. Chemisse Aug 2016 #36
I was happy when it didn't happen again at the next PTA meeting. JoePhilly Aug 2016 #38
and a lot of them are anti-vaccer's also gopiscrap Aug 2016 #85
Oh the irony..... Xolodno Aug 2016 #40
Good observations ... JoePhilly Aug 2016 #42
Stay tuned JoePhilly... True Dough Aug 2016 #44
Exactly. He's Deaf in one ear. Warren DeMontague Aug 2016 #73
No, individuals should not be required to do it. Buckeye_Democrat Aug 2016 #35
NO. CharlotteVale Aug 2016 #37
the pledge is a meaningless and futile gesture. KG Aug 2016 #41
No (nt) bigwillq Aug 2016 #45
No, and the child should not need parental permission to opt out. surrealAmerican Aug 2016 #46
Absolutely not. Loyalty oaths are the antithesis of what it means to be an American. Oneironaut Aug 2016 #47
Freedom of speech include freedom to be silent MineralMan Aug 2016 #49
NO Tikki Aug 2016 #50
This message was self-deleted by its author kestrel91316 Aug 2016 #51
The high school civics I studied True Dough Aug 2016 #69
Not unless they are so moved. Laffy Kat Aug 2016 #52
I will go further Kali Aug 2016 #59
This message was self-deleted by its author kestrel91316 Aug 2016 #60
Is this directed at me as the OP? True Dough Aug 2016 #71
it was passed by a republican legislature and signed by a republican governor dlwickham Aug 2016 #61
No JonathanRackham Aug 2016 #63
When we were in school liberal N proud Aug 2016 #65
Just to add some to the mix...... MyOwnPeace Aug 2016 #67
Sure, how better to inculcate respect for our constitutional values of freedom of speech/conscience Warren DeMontague Aug 2016 #72
Of course not bhikkhu Aug 2016 #77
I dig that last paragraph True Dough Aug 2016 #78
No one is compelled to swear oaths. This is America jberryhill Aug 2016 #79
Hell no ismnotwasm Aug 2016 #80
Hell no, and a waiver is stupid. roody Aug 2016 #81
No they should not be required! FXSTD Aug 2016 #82
It's such a HUGE waste of time Nevernose Aug 2016 #83
I don't think we should be saying the pledge at all gopiscrap Aug 2016 #84
Hell no. This was settled by the Supreme Court 73 years ago. JustinL Aug 2016 #88
No, I think kids should be able to refuse Zing Zing Zingbah Aug 2016 #90
I agree that this is stupid... brooklynite Aug 2016 #91
If they need to memorize something Warren DeMontague Aug 2016 #92
No. NaturalHigh Aug 2016 #93
No. It's Silly ProfessorGAC Aug 2016 #95
I stopped doing that in fifth or sixth grade. Codeine Aug 2016 #96
Absolutely not. Cairycat Aug 2016 #97
Nope - let them fill out the form, then sick the NSA on them. Watch lists are cool! jmg257 Aug 2016 #99
How valuable is a pledge when it is forced by the threat of punishment? HerrKarlMarx Aug 2016 #101
When the visiting Japanese students do it I feel terrible. lindysalsagal Aug 2016 #102
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