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Orrex

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92. Why? Are they participating in this discussion here?
Thu Sep 8, 2016, 01:02 PM
Sep 2016

I'm addressing your ill-worded OP, which failed to stipulate "private groups" or "happenstance of birth."

Does the declaring group have any authority to do so? Orrex Sep 2016 #1
Those are generally limited to a specified time. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #2
Does your hypothetical group intend to declare a permanent "safe space?" Orrex Sep 2016 #3
Permanent or not private parties have no authority in public venues. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #6
So you're now stipulating that it's a private group? Orrex Sep 2016 #22
Who does the government declare safe spaces from? Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #25
Hey, it was your weird question to begin with Orrex Sep 2016 #43
You guys are obviously too humiliated to openly admit what you want. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #60
They are enforced by police, usually jberryhill Sep 2016 #113
It's really simple. cheapdate Sep 2016 #127
If I rent a public park pavilion for a birthday party jberryhill Sep 2016 #34
Birthday parties exist. Apparently safe spaces do not. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #38
Pretty sure that Chester the Molester is not invited to the party jberryhill Sep 2016 #47
Can Wheeler the Drug Dealer be lawfully invited to the birthday party? Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #52
It's entirely up to me jberryhill Sep 2016 #62
I would be interested in seeing a defense made in a court of law Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #64
As distinguished from some other court? jberryhill Sep 2016 #66
In other words a permit or rental agreement with a government agency or public institution Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #75
It is a license to exclude others from the event jberryhill Sep 2016 #76
As long as that exclusion is lawful. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #78
That's where you are wrong jberryhill Sep 2016 #104
The Civil Rights Act Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #107
Rofl jberryhill Sep 2016 #108
Define "safe space." I've yet to see anyone with any knowledge,... Cerridwen Sep 2016 #4
What is the definition? Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #5
First of all, I asked for a definition. I notice you didn't answer. Cerridwen Sep 2016 #7
No, my reply is deliberate. If those wanting the privilege of safe spaces cannot define them. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #10
Ah. So you don't actually know what a safe space is, just what you've heard... Cerridwen Sep 2016 #12
I bet you can't define what constitutes a safe space because doing so Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #17
This is your thesis and your agenda. kwassa Sep 2016 #19
Safe spaces don't exist. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #20
Prove it. kwassa Sep 2016 #23
They do not possess any quantifiable or qualifiable characteristics. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #26
Prove it. kwassa Sep 2016 #32
You're engaged in a logical fallacy: Demanding proof of a negative. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #35
You just made an assertion, it is yours to defend. kwassa Sep 2016 #53
Actually, I'm agreeing with Cerridwen that no definition exists. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #58
Neither does art. LanternWaste Sep 2016 #87
I'm pretty sure a 8" x 10" painting is 8" wide and 10" in height Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #89
Great--I'll have the cigar-smoker's club convene in your kitchen tonight Orrex Sep 2016 #31
My kitchen is private property. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #33
Are you saying that I can hang out at your campsite at Yellowstone National Park? jberryhill Sep 2016 #37
The only person discussing camp ground rentals is you. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #40
YOU are asking about whether a group can exclude others on public property jberryhill Sep 2016 #44
Ah--so you accept that "safe spaces" do exist. Orrex Sep 2016 #45
No, I recognize private property exists. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #48
So you accept that "safe spaces" do exist. Orrex Sep 2016 #55
Repeating yourself doesn't make you any less wrong. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #57
Your desperation is charming Orrex Sep 2016 #59
In the OP is specificed public propert and places of public accommodation. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #63
Well, no Orrex Sep 2016 #67
"you then unilaterally declared that safe spaces do not exist" Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #71
Your OP did not stipulate "private groups," so you're changing your question Orrex Sep 2016 #72
I suppose if someone wanted to pick nits they could make a claim "private groups" had to be Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #74
That's not picking nits--it's essential to the discussion Orrex Sep 2016 #84
Perhaps we have different definitions of public and private. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #88
Well, let's review: Orrex Sep 2016 #95
"the contract provides for the exclusion of certain parties" Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #98
"the party entering into the agreement is not given license to engage in unlawful activity." Orrex Sep 2016 #99
Race, religion, etc. as defined in civil rights law. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #100
yet you cite no statute and you cite no case jberryhill Sep 2016 #106
If I obtain a permit to host an Atheists' Club meeting in a pavilion at a public park... Orrex Sep 2016 #112
How about atheist only living accommodations on university property? Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #115
How about answering my question? Orrex Sep 2016 #117
If I answer yours will you answer mine? Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #118
So you're not actually interested in discussion? Orrex Sep 2016 #119
"I suggested an example where such exclusion would be reasonable and permitted." Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #120
Is the proposed university a public institution or private? Orrex Sep 2016 #122
I actually have no disagreement with anything you wrote. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #123
Well, I admit that that was unexpected. Orrex Sep 2016 #125
That's simply wrong jberryhill Sep 2016 #105
Since you win the thread, expect your posts to be roundly ignored by the OP. Rex Sep 2016 #140
Three (?) replies to me and no definition forthcoming. Cerridwen Sep 2016 #29
That's the poster's M.O. Orrex Sep 2016 #56
Safe Space (n) Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #83
Power to discriminate wryter2000 Sep 2016 #50
Got what? Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #51
but he is somehow offended by what he doesn't know about .... kwassa Sep 2016 #18
Who's "he"? Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #21
You. kwassa Sep 2016 #24
Well, it wouldn't be the first time you were wrong. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #27
"He" is a female. MicaelS Sep 2016 #110
She. kwassa Sep 2016 #114
Actually, it looks as though he's bothered by something he says doesn't exist. Cerridwen Sep 2016 #36
Who's "he"? Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #49
That is indeed curious, isn't it? kwassa Sep 2016 #54
This was a fascinating exchange. Marr Sep 2016 #142
Thank you. I genuinely wish it were otherwise. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #143
Since you appear to have the only "correct" answer.. MicaelS Sep 2016 #13
Uh, I didn't offer an answer nor say I had an answer, "correct," correct, or otherwise. Cerridwen Sep 2016 #14
No I do not. MicaelS Sep 2016 #16
"I would like to read a comprehensive definition..." So would I. Cerridwen Sep 2016 #30
It is space where people agree and can be counted on to be respectful loyalsister Sep 2016 #82
attitude adjustments around the head and neck area until they leave? ileus Sep 2016 #8
Um, this is easy, you use the same bubbles that they have at Safe Space University snooper2 Sep 2016 #9
If a space is public, it is public. MineralMan Sep 2016 #11
Apparently Nuclear Unicorn wants to crawl into your tent at your campsite in Yosemite jberryhill Sep 2016 #39
Yosemite? I stay at the Ahwahnee. MineralMan Sep 2016 #42
Like this? REP Sep 2016 #15
1) What group is alowed to unanimously "declare a safe space"? NCTraveler Sep 2016 #28
Those institutions granting permits have rules they have to operate under; civil rights law being a Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #46
Correct. NCTraveler Sep 2016 #116
If they don't leave they must be crushed. AngryAmish Sep 2016 #41
The safe space group should be mocked and everyone moves on with their life... TipTok Sep 2016 #61
The hatred for people of color by a small group of mutual congratulators on this forum is remarkable alcibiades_mystery Sep 2016 #65
That sounds like circular reasoning. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #68
If a convicted predatory child rapist hangs out at a public playground, can he be removed? Orrex Sep 2016 #69
The predator had to be charged with a specific misdeed and then convicted. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #73
You are once again changing your question Orrex Sep 2016 #77
You're raising questions and I am answering each one in turn. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #80
No, you aren't Orrex Sep 2016 #85
"Did I claim that it does? Of course not." Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #90
Why? Are they participating in this discussion here? Orrex Sep 2016 #92
So, you were totally unaware that's what the OP was referring to. Okay. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #93
I addressed the OP as written. Orrex Sep 2016 #97
That's not really an analagous situation to what is described in the OP. Warren DeMontague Sep 2016 #124
The poster indicated that the question applies to private and public groups Orrex Sep 2016 #126
I guess. But it's hardly the same as any other "public group". Warren DeMontague Sep 2016 #129
What is the point of this Proud Liberal Dem Sep 2016 #70
If a person feels the need of a safe space they should stay home virgogal Sep 2016 #79
"avoid the masses completely" Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #81
Home is the safe space... (edited) OneGrassRoot Sep 2016 #135
I'd imagine the same way we reacted to an individual arriving uninvited to a toddler's birthday part LanternWaste Sep 2016 #86
"It's not very often that a creep comes into a afternoon buffet restaurant and sits uninvited" Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #91
I think you intentionally misunderstand and misrepresent the concept loyalsister Sep 2016 #94
One example of inclusion does not exonerate every other example of exclusion. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #96
Do you have personal knowledge of such instances loyalsister Sep 2016 #101
"Inclusion of unfriendly voices is what you seem to be demanding." Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #103
White people don't have a great track record of supporting people of color loyalsister Sep 2016 #109
So does that mean... (edited) OneGrassRoot Sep 2016 #136
A demonstration is a limited time event. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #137
Okay, so it is about the housing issue... OneGrassRoot Sep 2016 #138
I'm not sure of the context but... discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2016 #102
This happens all of the time jberryhill Sep 2016 #111
Safe spaces often don't work that way gollygee Sep 2016 #121
Those who want safe space are free to establish them on private property. Agnosticsherbet Sep 2016 #128
You have no fucking clue what a "safe space" is. Odin2005 Sep 2016 #130
Campus organizations have by-laws, charters, scheduled meeting times and places, etc. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #131
You are grasping as strawmen. Odin2005 Sep 2016 #132
Which RW source did I cite in my reference to UCLA student housing? Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #134
Re: campus housing... OneGrassRoot Sep 2016 #141
Not if it is a public area. MicaelS Sep 2016 #133
. Rex Sep 2016 #139
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