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Mc Mike

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42. The statement is "archetypal", and you somehow confused that descriptive word with "atypical".
Thu Sep 29, 2016, 02:21 PM
Sep 2016

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It's talking about the massive far-right initiatives, from fundy "christian" orgs with millions of members and outsized political influence, talking about the rightwing pols that keep pushing their far reaching laws that attack women, and that keep appointing freakish guy judges, who come down against the woman victim and for the man perp. It's talking about rightie pols who are backing a guy for prez that raped his wife in pain and rage, tearing out big chunks of her hair, because his anti-baldness surgery didn't go well. Do you know what Ivana was thinking at the time, Aki?

It's talking about the crazy millions of followers of those movements in the above para, and saying even our side has people in it that are susceptible to those bad archetypal ideas.

It's talking about our society from the top levels down to the bottom. It's talking about the constant stream of violent crimes vs women coming out of the elite frats and sports teams, about Judge Prosser strangling Judge Bradley, about that other Judge letting Brock Turner off with a slap on the wrist. It's about the judges and law enforcement people who let domestic violence go unchecked at the lower socio economic levels of society. Who let this stuff happen because domestic violence lets the lower class men to blow off steam, and as long as they're punching down, they're not upsetting the people who set the system in place that engendered all the rage and pent-up violent feelings in the first place.

All that animosity toward women, hate and rage, doesn't come from all US men, but there are millions that it does come from, and it's a sign of fear. The only actual fear men have -- in man-woman relationship terms -- is that women won't think the men are dominant and better, so are scared "to death" of being laughed at. Your statement about spiders and heights is talking about phobias, an irrational fear when you look at the actuarial stats, that some particular thing is going to kill you, and you hold that fear consciously and subconsciously. Looking at the same actuarial stats, violence from men against women is a much more rational fear that women might hold consciously and subconsciously.

Hitler was atypical, there was only one Austrian corporal who took over Germany in the '30's, but his aryan superman idea, where the aryan kills or enslaves all other races to rule the world, that was an archetypal idea that the atypical guy used to accomplish all his massively evil and catastrophic deeds. The whole German population wasn't on board, he may have only had 10% of Germans who were hard-core committed nazis, but look at the massive amount of evil and damage that was done. Nobody rightfully fears that any and every Austrian corporal will prove to atypically start a world war and kill millions. Every (sane) body does fear the archetypal ideas that one atypical corporal used, though.

Are men actually afraid women (or anyone) will laugh at them though? Loki Liesmith Sep 2016 #1
Deeply so Warpy Sep 2016 #10
Are you sure about that? Seems like you hear of more girls who commit suicide from being laughed at Akicita Sep 2016 #46
Men are more likely to kill someone who laughs at them, not themselves. nt tblue37 Oct 2016 #56
I stopped caring when I was 17 or so. nt Francis Booth Sep 2016 #16
+1 deathrind Sep 2016 #51
Margaret Atwood is one of my favorite authors. guillaumeb Sep 2016 #2
she has long been one of my favouriites. niyad Sep 2016 #3
It is a somewhat older article. guillaumeb Sep 2016 #5
What you need is a man to explain to you why that's wrong. Orrex Sep 2016 #4
ah, yes, of course. if only. . . . niyad Sep 2016 #6
K&R for a classic. Brickbat Sep 2016 #7
K & R SunSeeker Sep 2016 #8
Great Quote. sheshe2 Sep 2016 #9
Was Atwood refering to a Middle Eastern culture? The men and women I know don't typically go through Akicita Sep 2016 #11
there is plenty of dmoestic abuse in this country and all over the world Fast Walker 52 Sep 2016 #12
That's *different* though ck4829 Sep 2016 #18
was hoping that was sarcasm Fast Walker 52 Sep 2016 #27
True. But if you asked typical men and women to list the top ten things they fear I think being Akicita Sep 2016 #20
That's so cute! REP Sep 2016 #31
Thank you so much. Akicita Sep 2016 #47
The statement is "archetypal", and you somehow confused that descriptive word with "atypical". Mc Mike Sep 2016 #42
Obvious we are not on the same page. Akicita Sep 2016 #44
It's fair to say we're not on the same page. Mc Mike Sep 2016 #49
Nice try trying to put words in my mouth. Nowhere did I state that people think they are more likely Akicita Sep 2016 #50
No. I wasn't trying to put words in your mouth. Mc Mike Oct 2016 #53
"I know what she went through" annabanana Oct 2016 #55
Sandra Fluke, not Sandra Bland. Bland died for failing to show sufficient submission tblue37 Oct 2016 #57
Thank you, tblue. Corrected. Mc Mike Oct 2016 #58
Or a sign that shows there are so many outrages and abuses that it gets hard to tblue37 Oct 2016 #62
When Alton Sterling and Philando Castile got murdered, I had to write Mc Mike Oct 2016 #63
Excellent post. annabanana Oct 2016 #54
Thanks, & you're welcome, anna. nt. Mc Mike Oct 2016 #64
+1000 smirkymonkey Oct 2016 #59
Thanks, nt. Mc Mike Oct 2016 #65
A young lady I was steady with when we were 16-21 ended up marrying a Middle Eastern man. Francis Booth Sep 2016 #17
I have a similar story, though as probability would indicate, the husband was a white, Christian mal LanternWaste Sep 2016 #22
Bastards come in all flavors, I guess. Francis Booth Sep 2016 #25
I too pretend to know what the men and women I know are thinking as well. LanternWaste Sep 2016 #21
You and the op apparently Egnever Sep 2016 #24
The OP is not Margaret Atwood. The OP quoted Margaret Atwood. REP Sep 2016 #32
Are you directing that comment at me or the person who pretends to know that women fear being killed Akicita Sep 2016 #48
It is not the fears that are logical or expressed. smirkymonkey Oct 2016 #61
"Perhaps both should stop living in fear." Shandris Sep 2016 #13
For women, that's not really a safe approach to life Patiod Sep 2016 #41
As a woman, I see the truth in this quote. mountain grammy Sep 2016 #14
+1 Betty88 Sep 2016 #19
I am a man and I get it 100%. JanMichael Sep 2016 #26
so does my husband mountain grammy Sep 2016 #33
So do I. To be honest, men terrify me. I don't want to think this way, smirkymonkey Sep 2016 #45
After hearing this, a man tried to Ilsa Sep 2016 #15
correct Skittles Sep 2016 #23
witness some of the replies in this thread alone. niyad Sep 2016 #28
. . . niyad Sep 2016 #29
More than anything, ronnie624 Sep 2016 #30
I was always the anti-male, which earned me quite a bit of bullying Francis Booth Sep 2016 #43
Sorry to hear that. I don't think this hyper-masculine culture is good for smirkymonkey Oct 2016 #60
Thanks - funnily enough, my son turned out exactly as I was; shy, Francis Booth Oct 2016 #66
nearly every woman will tell you that they dont like to go out alone at night. mopinko Sep 2016 #34
and yet, we have people on this thread alone denying the reality of women's existence. niyad Sep 2016 #35
i know. mopinko Sep 2016 #36
I do understand!! niyad Sep 2016 #37
"fight back"--holly near niyad Sep 2016 #38
we need that post like button. mopinko Sep 2016 #39
you are most welcome niyad Sep 2016 #40
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