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SummerSnow

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38. Check out this old article about Guliani and his mistress he married. * Interesting*
Sat Oct 1, 2016, 07:48 PM
Oct 2016

No Grace At Gracie Mansion

By Margaret Carlson Sunday, May 20, 2001/ TIME magazine

What will we tell the children? Republicans liked wringing their hands over that one, adding the bad example set by Bill Clinton to their reasons for impeaching him. So what are G.O.P. leaders thinking as their flagship mayor, Rudy Giuliani of New York City, risks damaging his children by publicly berating their mother and declaring his eternal love for a woman not his wife? On Friday his kids and the other 1.5 million children in the five boroughs awoke to tabloids screaming RUDY AND JUDI 4 EVER after Giuliani defended his girlfriend Judith Nathan in the wake of a PEOPLE magazine story. Giuliani gushed that the "very caring and loving" Nathan "doesn't deserve being treated this way. I feel very bad for her, more than anyone else, because she deserves it the least."

Oh, really? What do Andrew, 15, and Caroline, 11, deserve? A Dad who trashes their mother? After Giuliani's estranged wife Donna Hanover asked a judge to bar Nathan from visiting Gracie Mansion, the official residence (where the family still lives), and argued against a gag order in the case, Giuliani unleashed his lawyer Raoul Felder. Starting on Mother's Day, no less, Felder called Hanover an "uncaring mother" who stayed in a dead marriage for "twisted motives." Though her lawyer Victor Kovner says the couple agreed that Hanover should continue living in Gracie Mansion until her apartment is available, Felder made her sound like the interloper "howling like a stuck pig," who would have to be pulled "from the chain of the chandeliers" to remove her. In an attempt to win sympathy and perhaps absolution from the Roman Catholic Archdiocese, Felder volunteered that Rudy wasn't violating the Sixth Commandment because his treatment for prostate cancer had left him impotent.

Does Giuliani think his kids or their schoolyard friends --and enemies--don't read the papers? G.O.P. outrage must be in the same lockbox it rested in when family-values conservatives like Newt Gingrich, Henry Hyde and Dan Burton were found to have indulged in the same conduct for which they were condemning others. Rudy himself is a Morality Czar, trying to shut down strip clubs and block funding for museums he finds offensive to Catholics. He's becoming offensive to Catholics. Can someone shut him down?

Before the Mother's Day massacre, Rudy was poised to leave City Hall on a wave of goodwill, with the door open to future office. Despite announcing the end of his marriage to the press corps before he told his wife, he had garnered a level of public sympathy not usually available to adulterers, perhaps because news of his sickness and "good friend" struck at about the same time. New Yorkers are both practical (grateful to the mayor for reviving the city) and romantic (a man looking the Grim Reaper in the eye should be allowed a second chance at happiness). It helped that Nathan wasn't an intern, that she was taking him in sickness, not in health, and that the mayor was following the first rule of civilized divorce: dwell not on your ex's faults as a spouse but on her virtues as a parent. Back then he praised Hanover as "a wonderful mother."

The marriage had long been a cold affair. Hanover had dropped his name, avoided his company and suggested he might not get her vote. She appeared in the R-rated Vagina Monologues. Overall, she came across less as the wronged wife (see Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton) than as an enabler clinging to the perks of office (see First Lady Hillary Clinton).

When Rudy gets mad, he gets even. Just ask the people he's sent packing. Think of Hanover as former police commissioner William Bratton or as a squeegee man. Hanover doesn't want the kids to meet Judi at Gracie Mansion? Well, then, she's got a warped agenda and "doesn't care what happens to the children." Felder let it be known that Giuliani has to sleep in the den, with the bath down the hall, where he runs as many as eight times a night to vomit while his wife lives like a queen in the master bedroom. But that kind of ghastly candor repelled the public, and Giuliani finally shut down Felder, who explained that his pre-emptive attack was just lawyer's "hardball." Like another famous wife, Hanover does not naturally inspire affection. But like another famous husband, Rudy has engendered it for her. He's making Hanover look so much like a victim that she might consider running for office. Hillary's seat is up in 2006.

http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,127260,00.html

Exactly radical noodle Oct 2016 #1
Anyone whose spouse/significant other cheated on her The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2016 #2
the delusional attitudes that men like Trump have about this absolutely "slay" me. hlthe2b Oct 2016 #3
I bet when Donald was caught cheating, he told his then wives they SummerSnow Oct 2016 #37
Most women don't take kindly to other women messing with their man meadowlark5 Oct 2016 #4
"their man"? WTF? Men aren't possessions. RB TexLa Oct 2016 #42
Ok Strunk and White meadowlark5 Oct 2016 #44
self deleted - comment was off topic lunatica Oct 2016 #5
Rightwingers keep throwing out the word "feminist", claiming Hillary fails their test du jour. procon Oct 2016 #6
Ask them if they "uphold and defend women". Use exactly those words. Then Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2016 #20
Great post! I gotta remember that one the next time someone says skylucy Oct 2016 #48
I think those men who criticize Hillary for not speaking more kindly about the women who played napi21 Oct 2016 #7
Ivana and Marla Scarsdale Oct 2016 #16
I remember back then, Ivana Trump, with her accent, referred to Marla as "Moola." calimary Oct 2016 #19
It really rankles when these remarks come from men who cheated on their wives. Arkansas Granny Oct 2016 #8
Yeah, isn't that rich? calimary Oct 2016 #21
Three Blind Lice-- touche! catbyte Oct 2016 #25
Three Blind Lice - it does have a ring to it. Arkansas Granny Oct 2016 #28
OMG! catbyte Oct 2016 #45
It will not go over well with women who've had cheating spouses before for certain. onecaliberal Oct 2016 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author kestrel91316 Oct 2016 #46
And according to many studies that's about half of the population womanofthehills Oct 2016 #47
A feminist is a female or male, and also a human being. Greybnk48 Oct 2016 #10
well, they say that because of all the women they have put in that same place--how many affairs niyad Oct 2016 #11
Flashlight Scarsdale Oct 2016 #17
Hell no I wouldn't "advocate" for her (whatever that means) - she knew he was married and AnotherMother4Peace Oct 2016 #12
Hear, hear! smirkymonkey Oct 2016 #13
No matter what we would do, most of us understand the fantasy of doing what she did. nolabear Oct 2016 #14
Exactly Scarsdale Oct 2016 #18
I have to wonder homegirl Oct 2016 #15
Rec!!! I have been saying this since this whole pile of bullshit started. Stinky The Clown Oct 2016 #22
If women went after my hubby knowing he's married.. KALD Oct 2016 #23
Welcome to DU wryter2000 Oct 2016 #31
Is this some guy's hallucination KT2000 Oct 2016 #24
Hillary should just let him go there, and keep talking issues and qualifications. Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #26
It's beyond incomprehensible that this is even being discussed lunamagica Oct 2016 #27
It's not even a double standard mcar Oct 2016 #29
That is it right there! Rex Oct 2016 #40
I don't think this is going to do him any good wryter2000 Oct 2016 #30
In Trump's mind his wives and mistresses should get along and maybe even join him in a threesome TeamPooka Oct 2016 #32
"She auditioned for younger trophy wife and didn't get the part" Warpy Oct 2016 #33
The spouse breaks an agreement in cheating. David__77 Oct 2016 #34
That's their private business not their politics. WillowTree Oct 2016 #35
glass houses. glass houses. pansypoo53219 Oct 2016 #36
Check out this old article about Guliani and his mistress he married. * Interesting* SummerSnow Oct 2016 #38
They really should look up Monica's history kskiska Oct 2016 #39
Oh my - she is every wife's worst nighmare. AnotherMother4Peace Oct 2016 #43
I think Don, the serial cheater who wants to date his daughter, will come off looking even worse -Steph- Oct 2016 #41
Sometimes, sex is just sex, and 'infidelity' just is what it is. Sometimes the bonds, the marriage underahedgerow Oct 2016 #49
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