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athena

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11. How do you explain
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 01:22 AM
Nov 2016

the exit polls being so wrong in some of the states, and always in the same direction?

How do you explain this:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512617195

or this:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/22/politics/hillary-clinton-challenge-results/

The computer scientists believe they have found evidence that vote totals in the three states could have been manipulated or hacked and presented their findings to top Clinton aides on a call last Thursday.

The scientists, among them J. Alex Halderman, the director of the University of Michigan Center for Computer Security and Society, told the Clinton campaign they believe there is a questionable trend of Clinton performing worse in counties that relied on electronic voting machines compared to paper ballots and optical scanners, according to the source.


The whole point of an audit is to look for evidence. Evidence therefore cannot be a requirement for an audit. This is why the candidate has the right to request a recount, without having to provide evidence. Please try to avoid muddying the waters.
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Rugh ro! Cats fucking fighting in the bag! Can't stop them now. lonestarnot Nov 2016 #1
Do you REALLY believe Hillary will challenge the outcome? napi21 Nov 2016 #2
She ran for the presidency. athena Nov 2016 #7
Those districts in question had voting by electronic tabulators. AFAIK there is NO AUDIT TRAIL. napi21 Nov 2016 #12
I believe athena Nov 2016 #13
They discovered in one WI county using electronic machines that there were more votes pnwmom Nov 2016 #25
This is about election rigging/padding. She's just the catalyst to make the call. ffr Nov 2016 #16
Don't think she will elmac Nov 2016 #20
It was irresponsible when Trump said it before the election loyalsister Nov 2016 #3
You can't find irrefutable evidence unless you investigate. bigmonkey Nov 2016 #4
Exactly. athena Nov 2016 #5
It's more like investigating deaths of people who drink water mythology Nov 2016 #8
How do you explain athena Nov 2016 #11
There is evidence, preliminary evidence. bigmonkey Nov 2016 #21
I'm saying don't start screaming that it happened without proof loyalsister Nov 2016 #6
No one is saying it happened. athena Nov 2016 #9
Calling for the proof to precede the investigation? bigmonkey Nov 2016 #10
Evidence is not even required for an investigation, athena Nov 2016 #14
Neither Wisconsin nor Pennsylvania came within 0.5 percent, so those are pretty much moot. WillowTree Nov 2016 #17
That's for an automatic or free recount. The candidate can always request a recount. athena Nov 2016 #18
Talk about the percentages & it sounds like tiny differences. Hard numbers tell a different story. WillowTree Nov 2016 #22
An investigation is one thing loyalsister Nov 2016 #27
Again, you are calling for the facts before the investigation. bigmonkey Nov 2016 #33
You need facts to justify an investigation loyalsister Nov 2016 #34
The hurdle for investigation is lower bigmonkey Nov 2016 #40
This is not court loyalsister Nov 2016 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author bigmonkey Nov 2016 #43
It's more court than politics. bigmonkey Nov 2016 #44
Look how smug the presumptive winner was awoke_in_2003 Nov 2016 #19
Computer faculty at Berkeley and MIT are calling for an audit of three states, pnwmom Nov 2016 #26
Do you have a link for this? forthemiddle Nov 2016 #31
In the article and yes malware can be installed through the ballot printing/entry machines. no inter Sunlei Nov 2016 #37
Will the senate seat audit that they are doing forthemiddle Nov 2016 #39
I don't know. I want machine software checked by experts & the large chunks of BLANK ballots looked Sunlei Nov 2016 #41
I think Trump was talking about himself when he said the election is rigged JonLP24 Nov 2016 #28
I know he was loyalsister Nov 2016 #29
I hardly consider voting machines conspiracy theories JonLP24 Nov 2016 #32
Was that the only option? loyalsister Nov 2016 #35
I would have to research each individual area JonLP24 Nov 2016 #36
Are those straight or flexible straws they're grasping at? WillowTree Nov 2016 #15
There is no question it was hacked. world wide wally Nov 2016 #23
KnR Hekate Nov 2016 #24
"The group apparently has no proof of hacking..." jmg257 Nov 2016 #30
because NONE of the machines are checked by anyone. Sunlei Nov 2016 #38
MI uses paper ballots. roamer65 Nov 2016 #45
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