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Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
32. I see JPR as more of an ongoing identity crisis and less of a "fake Russian news" site
Sat Nov 26, 2016, 08:01 AM
Nov 2016

It started off as a largely pro-Sanders site, and when Clinton won the Primary and the "contested convention" thing didn't happen, there was a "Season of Stein," and then, in the post-Trump election wake of no real game plan for 2020, it lost any real focus.

There was no way that a "revolution" was going to supersede Clinton v Trump. The voters who went for a third choice or didn't vote at all handed us what we have right now (and that is an over-simplification, but it represents at least part of the truth), and while anything is possible between now and the 2020 election, we have no strong reason on November 26, 2016, to say with complete authority that the 2020 election will not come down to a 2-party race.

So JPR has become a site filled with people who don't know, but have strong opinions, so they express their opinions in the absence of facts.

We have no idea what's going to happen after four years of Trump, whether he makes it or quits or is impeached. As i have said in many DU threads, I am personally more wary of Paul Ryan having four years to make his "dreams" come true.

As a result, I have no idea of what is to become of JPR. Is it a "progressive" site? Yes...but it's a mix of a lot of other things the average "progressive" may or may not want to align themselves with as well.

Are they a pro-Trump Putin mouthpiece? Yeah, they did go through some of that, and they attempted to distance themselves from it. It's bound to happen on any "membership" site. DU has a higher level of awareness when it comes to "moles" or "disruptors" and so they are less welcome and their stays here are briefer.

But I still call it an identity crisis. They went all in for Sanders and that didn't happen, so they lacked a viable "Plan B." And while it's fair and accurate to say that Clinton was the "Plan B" that would have kept Trump out of the White House, they weren't going to go for it. That's the "postmortem" we're dealing with now.

I'm neither trying to defend the site nor attack it. There's no shortage of negativity, bile, hatred there...call it what you will...when it comes to Clinton. They will either work through that and find a more common, positive voice between now and the next election, or they won't.

I don't want to insult anyone who strongly believes in the possibility of a third party candidate in 2020 who is capable of winning. The pragmatic side of me can't see past a Democrat / Republican race, and if we are able to identify and support a Democrat in the next couple of years capable of going the distance, I...for one...will back that candidate. If we can't do that, Stein and Johnson and a lot of other politicians mainstream America hasn't heard of will be sending out their resumes.

Think of it this way...Ryan and McConnell are two 10-year olds who have been feed a lot of sugar and turned loose for a shopping spree in the toy store.

If that's not reason enough to...paraphrasing McConnell himself here...make one term for Trump the primary goal of the next four years...I'm at a loss. I just don't know what to say. My guess is that if a 1%-er is somehow reading what I've written here, they might think "FUCK yeah...TRUMP."

But for everyone else, by the time Medicaid and Social Security no longer exist, and by the time Ryan succeeds in making tax cuts that skew by 47% to the 1%-ers in year one and 99.6% to them at the end of a decade...by the time anyone reading this who depends on food stamps to survive no longer has them...it will be Democrat versus Republican, and if another Bernie Sanders emerges, he/she had goddamned well better be, as Jimi put it, a Voodoo Child. They goddamned well better be able to stand up next to a mountain and chop it down with the edge of their hand.

Because anything else would be masturbation.

Ideas that are not actionable ideas are masturbation. They're the guy rolling joints talking about how he's going to put a band together and go out on the road and rock the nation who wakes up in a pile of Taco Bell wrappers and just rolls another joint.

It would be that joke on "The Simpsons" about Homer losing out on the employee of the month to "Inanimate Carbon Rod" and Bart asking breathlessly "Did you actually get to SEE the rod?"

This is the year in which we witnessed the biggest con man of all time win over voters with a baseball cap, xenophobia, racism, and a carrot dangled in the face of people so far beneath his extreme level of contempt that he must laugh himself silly every time they echo his "make America great again" mantra. This is an asshole who just ate a 24 course Thanksgiving dinner at Mar-A-Lago in which half the dishes were named after him. He shits on a golden toilet. We are going to be paying millions of dollars a day so that he can "work" from Trump Towers. And you thought you were pissed off by all of George W. Bush's visits to the pig farm?

JPR, by necessity, has to re-invent itself for the journey ahead. Will they become a Reddit-styled shithole (some would say they have already become exactly that) or a voice worth hearing?

I don't know.

You don't know.

They don't know.

Oh, snap! Little JPR finally got the recognition they crave! Squinch Nov 2016 #1
JPR? Ouch. nt eppur_se_muova Nov 2016 #2
Truthdig? SHRED Nov 2016 #3
JPR! mcar Nov 2016 #4
Some seem to fit regnaD kciN Nov 2016 #5
It's come to the point that now anything we read on the internet could be fake kimbutgar Nov 2016 #9
that's generally what happens during nashville_brook Nov 2016 #15
agree, seems a little info wars onto itself. juxtaposed Nov 2016 #10
Counterpunch - Russian propaganda or not - is a shit website. NYC Liberal Nov 2016 #28
The article you posted was written by a well known Antisemite Mosby Nov 2016 #39
Yep. Deplorable. NYC Liberal Nov 2016 #40
"Are you now or have you ever been a member of the Communist Party?" Jake Stern Nov 2016 #6
Nice try. yardwork Nov 2016 #14
The US has just had its presidential election provably hacked/damaged by Russians... Hekate Nov 2016 #19
Russia is not Communist these days Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2016 #30
Wasn't trying to say Russia is still Communist Jake Stern Nov 2016 #38
I frequented a few of these during the dark Bush years superpatriotman Nov 2016 #7
""An Initial Set of Sites That Reliably Echo Russian Propaganda" uppityperson Nov 2016 #8
And Sherman A1 Nov 2016 #11
A who's who of anti-Semitic sites. Behind the Aegis Nov 2016 #12
WOAH! .99center Nov 2016 #13
This looks more like creative speculation cpwm17 Nov 2016 #16
Do not forget this one Lithos Nov 2016 #17
Welcome to the New McCarthyism. DirkGently Nov 2016 #18
Twitter was a flutter with WaPo article then an article dae Nov 2016 #23
Saw that. Alternet also has a piece up re: gov't connections. DirkGently Nov 2016 #27
So an anonymous site wants to repress other websites, incl. Truth-out, and some people suffragette Nov 2016 #37
I don't trust this site drmeow Nov 2016 #20
Ditto. dae Nov 2016 #24
Maybe the answer is to keep your critical thinking faculties active and factcheck stories....... LongTomH Nov 2016 #21
Add. Alex Jones Lithos Nov 2016 #22
Rense and Alex Jones/Prison Planet are the same thing. Liberal In Texas Nov 2016 #25
Rense and Jones HATE each other. Deffo not the same. Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #34
Jeff Rense and Alex Jones do not like each other Lithos Nov 2016 #35
Related article: moondust Nov 2016 #26
This is the thing I love about Du kimbutgar Nov 2016 #29
The list is a fake! Truthdig's editor is a prominent US journalist: Liberty Belle Nov 2016 #31
I see JPR as more of an ongoing identity crisis and less of a "fake Russian news" site Miles Archer Nov 2016 #32
I kind of see JPR as a split off of a church marlakay Nov 2016 #42
this list is BULLSHIT Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #33
Truthout and Naked Capitalism are Russian fronts?! Lol! Arazi Nov 2016 #36
plus 1 Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #41
Three of those I could tell BainsBane Sep 2017 #43
Not surprised to see JPR included. That place is a cesspool. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #44
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