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Response to eniwetok (Reply #88)

Thu Dec 22, 2016, 10:38 AM

89. I was working under the assumption that when you agreed with posts, you understood them.

I meant what I said about your journal entries. I didn't see much that didn't look good, to me. So I don't want to declare undying enmity with you on one BIG disagreement, here.

But the first post is zoom saying "Eichenwald = Jones", his post 6 affirms that position against a push back from unc. Then you replied to agree with him. That's your post 80, (and 79). Q E f in D.

You had to skip pertinent posts from Sun, Ananda, Byron, Hekate, Yard, 11 B, Tactical to post your learned viewpoint. And the bonus is where you bemoan, in post 83, about how "ultrapartisan du ers" won't listen to divergent voices or have a rational discussion. After you sidestepped that rational discussion on a bunch of pertinent points you don't want to address. You can't address anything I said in the 3 posts to zoom and Pers. And all of those points are on topic and pertinent. Stop crying and discuss.

You made a ton of posts that just agreed that Eichenwald has done wrong. You're wrong. But tell you what. You delete your post 80 agreeing with Zoom (it's only one of your 8 anti-Eichenwald posts, shouldn't hurt too much). Then I'll retract that part of my critique of your posts via edit.

The push to allow our transgendered citizens to use the danged bathroom is about guaranteeing their Constitutional rights, which makes the Constitution function more democratically. That's how that works. When you said (post 84, where you reiterated your unhappiness with the lack of civilty and substantive debate) that you're concerned about the big issues, not identity politics, the obvious conclusion to be drawn is an advocacy to dump identity politics. Of course, we're able to multitask, and push everywhere to get results in some places, it's not an either / or. But people being able to take a leak is an "Improve Constitutional Democracy" issue, so you're all set both ways with that one. But your perception that Dem pols and activists only worked on bathrooms and didn't and aren't working on those big issues -- that is just your perception. It doesn't get codified into reality because you perceive it thus.

Zoom is behaving myopically. You chimed in over and over to back his myopic viewpoint. Then you want people to take your Dem soul-searching critique that "Dems are behaving myopically" seriously? Several other low volume newly returned or newly joined post-ers agree with you and zoom. One high volume old timer agreed. None of them is doing anything but stating their opinion, all are justified in that. That's different from you and zoom. You go on and on, nattering away, not addressing the issue.

You say you don't care about any other Kurt Eichenwald reporting, don't want to talk about it. But you want to talk about long term national visions, social security, and drag the Debt and deficit spending into this thread? Ridiculous. You're squirting ink like a cuttlefish. I'll defend the Dems and crush the repugs' side on the Debt and Deficit spending, in any general discussion. But you're waaaaay off topic trying it here.

Address the issue, it's very simple. Who cares about that lying fake news 'reporter' Carlson's 30 second deadline for Kurt to "justify" his horrible "Crime" of one non news "false tweet"? You'd have to be crazy to be a Dem and think Carlson and Fox have a point. Of course, you'd have to be crazy to be a repug, period.

The issue is that you're crying about how people are so partisan and they attack opposing viewpoints instead of discussing the issues, but you spend zero time discussing the issues and a ton of time crying about the "attacks". Then try to throw a ton of derailing irrelevancies into the mix. The title of the post says Eichenwald has a binder full of Carlson Fox news lies. You're pretending that you're discussing the o.p., by critique of Kurt's video performance, and completely ignore the substance of the o.p. title; which is the subject of the o.p. . And you think that's clear headed thinking, logical argumentation, legit discussion, masterful debate? If so, that might provide a clue to why your viewpoints aren't being taken seriously, eni.

The entire video is a waste of time? It was a pretty short fucking video, and you spent a lot longer than that commenting over and over on it.

You aren't making much sense.

Libertarianism is a stupid and evil, cartoonish nazi repug joke. Always has been. I do have that right to make that comment, you agree?

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