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62. they'll quickly fall into a dystopia

Thu Dec 22, 2016, 04:08 PM

Dec 2016

and would have to ask us for help. As it is now they just get money from the Federal government, which comes from our taxes.

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Would you personally be willing to take up arms to prevent red states from seceding? [View all] TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 OP

they're our fellow americans and they're caught in the grip of a horrid disease. unblock Dec 2016 #1

How would it destroy us all? lunatica Dec 2016 #53

See post 57. They don't vanish. unblock Dec 2016 #58

Let em go.. Abouttime Dec 2016 #54

They've got food, oil, guns, and a sense of entitlement. unblock Dec 2016 #57

they'll quickly fall into a dystopia lunatica Dec 2016 #62

they wouldn't ask. they'd take. or extort. unblock Dec 2016 #63

So we build a wall lunatica Dec 2016 #64

we'd need a lot more if things turn ugly. unblock Dec 2016 #65

that is true, but i wouldn't underestimate the resources and resolve of the blue staters, plus, depe TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #71

that's a possibility, they might use (blue) secessation as an excuse to wage all-out war and/or esta TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #70

Remenber the angst when ONE pipeline from Texas want down? oneshooter Dec 2016 #72

but they have to take Trump with them Angry Dragon Dec 2016 #2

This! BlueMTexpat Dec 2016 #52

I would hold car washes to pay for their leaving./nt DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2016 #3

I support their peacefully seceding and then patiently wait for them to come groveling back eleny Dec 2016 #4

i think there is plenty of truth in that; they would become a 3rd world country, with the super-rich TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #18

I'll repeat what I said in another thread... eleny Dec 2016 #24

You just described the last 20 years in most of the red states bigbrother05 Dec 2016 #60

Putin's favorite word: secession! Anything that keeps other on their toes!! He eats it up/ Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #5

OTHER: Ask me in about 6 months.... I'm not too good right now on that answer uponit7771 Dec 2016 #6

Of course not. I'd be happy to pack their bags for them. Vinca Dec 2016 #7

i'm with you. nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #17

Rather a moot point doncha think? TexasProgresive Dec 2016 #8

yes, right now, but i am testing the hypothesis that reds would go to war to stop US from seceding. TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #16

Nah. Just negotiate a peaceful divorce. Tell them to imagine a country without liberals. Missn-Hitch Dec 2016 #76

Other: Let them go peacefully, and THEN build the fucking wall. pnwest Dec 2016 #9

This! n/t Binkie The Clown Dec 2016 #10

agreed; i think after a few generations when they see what a 3rd world country they're TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #15

Well it seems heaven05 Dec 2016 #11

the country's been on that edge for along time, but it seems like the will of the majority is now be TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #22

Let them go and then Chasstev365 Dec 2016 #12

I would let them leave peacefully MarvinGardens Dec 2016 #13

I'd be happy be happy to see them go. Crunchy Frog Dec 2016 #14

true; would be nice if canada could combine with the west coast and the north eastern states. TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #20

Quebec would have none of it. Ellen Forradalom Dec 2016 #32

i am encouraged by the responses, but of course since the reds are more war-loving, they would TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #19

I thought the blue states were wanting to split now. ileus Dec 2016 #21

i'm just trying to get an idea of how many people would be willing to fight to stop any state from s TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #27

I'd be partying my ******* *** off. briv1016 Dec 2016 #23

there would no doubt be some migration both ways, but it could be done peacefully. nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #28

This can be negotiated. Free to move about for 2 years. Then each country Missn-Hitch Dec 2016 #78

The last time states seceded Retrograde Dec 2016 #25

good riddance. raging moderate Dec 2016 #26

It's a ridiculous idea. If some think jobs, wages, Social Security, health care, etc., aren't good Hoyt Dec 2016 #29

Buzzkill. LOL! Missn-Hitch Dec 2016 #79

Totally red states? radical noodle Dec 2016 #30

Hey, let 'em pipi_k Dec 2016 #31

I object to this topic being raised in GD. Fantasies about civil war in America -- no thanks. Hekate Dec 2016 #33

please, there is no "fantasy of civil war;" and the poll results support my sense that most people TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #40

Let them go... please. Watch them tank while blue states prosper. kysrsoze Dec 2016 #34

Republicans have already created a new country Equinox Moon Dec 2016 #35

agreed; the US is many times the size it was originally; i think that break up is inevitable, TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #42

Why would they want to leave? They own everything. Wednesdays Dec 2016 #36

i am just trying to get a sense of whether people here would be willing to fight to stop a red TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #41

Yes, the reds have it all (temporarily) Equinox Moon Dec 2016 #45

I'd take up arms to make sure they didn't change their mind and try to stay. nt Nay Dec 2016 #37

heh heh. nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #67

States change over time. Kaleva Dec 2016 #38

OTHER: Better them than us! RealityChik Dec 2016 #39

You forgot the option "Hell no." nt raccoon Dec 2016 #43

The deep red states could never make it as individual entities. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2016 #44

It won't be repeat of the Civil War because it simply will not happen LanternWaste Dec 2016 #46

Won't happen. They're too tied economically to the blue sections within their own states. haele Dec 2016 #47

They've already seceded and now they are irrelevant; trapped in a stagnant 20th century fantasy. hunter Dec 2016 #48

They'd just ally with Russia and we'd have a proxy war. Starry Messenger Dec 2016 #49

i'm not sure russia actually supports repugs, or just sees them as the weak link to sew division TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #85

Well, first of all I would have to move (please don't bomb me) to a blue state Maru Kitteh Dec 2016 #50

Other. BlueMTexpat Dec 2016 #51

word. nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #68

How would they be able to proove how they voted? n/t oneshooter Dec 2016 #73

Just ask them ... BlueMTexpat Dec 2016 #74

Let them go and prepare to watch (from a distance) a real life 'Lord of the Flies'. Siwsan Dec 2016 #55

i think that's exactly what would happen, and they wouldn't have anyone to blame but themselves. nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #69

Given one would be the nuclear power and one would not HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #56

insane, but nuking your neighbors could have some "blowback," literally and figuratively. nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #83

I wish we were like MFM008 Dec 2016 #59

I would personally be willing to pay them to get them to go. OregonBlue Dec 2016 #61

I would say bravenak Dec 2016 #66

not a good idea RANGER295 Dec 2016 #75

there are definitely some obstacles IF they were decide to go to war, but 1. i'm not sure if they TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #81

In my experience, most of these "reds" .... Adrahil Dec 2016 #87

And I'd move out. I have my WhiteTara Dec 2016 #77

Hummm. Could be a couple of up sides for SE Arizona. Lady Freedom Returns Dec 2016 #80

I would sacrifice my actual (anatatomical) arms Crunchy Frog Dec 2016 #82

heh heh, yeah, i'm torn on whether the repugs would have the same reaction, or whether they would TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #84

If the demands of the seceding state are reasonable... why would we not negotiate? n/t eniwetok Dec 2016 #86

i absolutely agree; i think people are so afraid of another Civil War, they won't even consider the TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #93

I'd hold the door open as they leave. BainsBane Dec 2016 #88

+1000 baldguy Dec 2016 #90

Blue states are the money-makers; most Red states are parasites. VOX Dec 2016 #89

hey, one southerner can lick 10 Yankees!! haha; that's what they thought, but yeah, they need us TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #94

Personally, I think secession is stupid talk... cynatnite Dec 2016 #91

i'm not saying there wouldn't be complications, but i think they would be surmountable; in any case TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #92

Secession is still stupid talk... cynatnite Dec 2016 #95

there is an easy way to answer this question DonCoquixote Apr 2017 #96