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25. Well don't give them a reason

Wed Dec 28, 2016, 04:10 PM

Dec 2016

So long as you don't attack them they have no legal right to shoot you. Just avoid altercations with random people in the street and there shouldn't be a problem right? Zimmerman was a POS and harassed Martin, but nobody forced Martin to attack him. Martin could have simply turned his back and walked in the other direction.

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Gun Homicide Rates Up 31 Percent Since Stand Your Ground(FL) [View all] HAB911 Dec 2016 OP

Study "did not find enough evidence to definitively find the law caused the increase" Marengo Dec 2016 #1

It will only get better........... HAB911 Dec 2016 #2

"...the STG law in Florida has resulted in far more harm occurring than it was argued it would" etherealtruth Dec 2016 #3

Begs the question of "harm" to who? Marengo Dec 2016 #9

Human beings. Nothing to question. etherealtruth Dec 2016 #10

Human beings doing what? Marengo Dec 2016 #13

Apparently, human beings engaged in a multitude of activities of daily living etherealtruth Dec 2016 #15

Perhsps if that "some" had not included criminally threatening activities in their activities... Marengo Dec 2016 #16

Thats an odd take ... What level of "criminality" entitles one to murder? etherealtruth Dec 2016 #17

Wouldn't that level be established by the statute in question? Murder is an unlawful killing. Marengo Dec 2016 #20

...or murder is the taking of a life with cause or justificatiion (a moral decision) etherealtruth Dec 2016 #26

You didn't answer my question. Where the majority found to be unlawful? Marengo Jan 2017 #56

Irrelevant ... laws need not be just or moral etherealtruth Jan 2017 #57

I did not ask your opinion as to the morality of the law in question. I asked if the majority... Marengo Jan 2017 #58

More than half were ... google SYG Florida and you will be provided a wealth of information etherealtruth Jan 2017 #59

It's important you keep moving your goalposts LanternWaste Jan 2017 #52

Oh, In Trayvon Martin's case, walking home. In Jordan Davis's case, riding in a car with friends. Hoyt Dec 2016 #32

Can you provide a cite to an example of an NRA certified instructor recommending to "never tell... Marengo Dec 2016 #33

The last sentence, I am quoting racist gun lovers. The NRA most certainly tells you to say you were Hoyt Dec 2016 #35

Can you provides links to the sources of the quotes? Marengo Dec 2016 #37

Still waiting for the source (s) of the quote. You do understand what a quote is, correct? Marengo Jan 2017 #42

Are all cases of SYG homicide unjustified? A majority? Marengo Dec 2016 #34

I think most cases could be handled without resorting to a gun. But, gunners have invested too Hoyt Dec 2016 #36

What is your definition of a "gunner" in this context? Marengo Jan 2017 #43

When most of your DU posts are in support of lethal weapons, I'd say "gunner" likely applies. Hoyt Jan 2017 #44

These persons are most likely racists waiting for a chance to kill? Can you give us usernames? Marengo Jan 2017 #45

Hoyt doesn't do quotes hack89 Jan 2017 #47

I don't expect someone enamored with gunz to understand the use of quotation marks or anything Hoyt Jan 2017 #49

Since I don't own any gunz hack89 Jan 2017 #50

You: "I am quoting racist gun lovers". Can you cite or link to the source of these statements? Marengo Jan 2017 #51

Is hack89 a "gunner" as you define the term? Marengo Jan 2017 #61

But if it's Teabillys shooting other Teabilly's it's not really harm is it? OregonBlue Dec 2016 #29

Is being a "teabilly" itself a criminal act? Marengo Jan 2017 #55

Jama link has stopped working, here is another take HAB911 Dec 2016 #4

What % of those are claimed self defense using SYG? ileus Dec 2016 #5

Guns are offensive weapons, not defensive....nt Wounded Bear Dec 2016 #6

Guns are never used in self defense? Marengo Dec 2016 #7

Only in the sense of 'the best defense is a good offense.' Wounded Bear Dec 2016 #8

"A gun provides a means to counterattack." And an effective one at that! jmg257 Dec 2016 #11

Point taken. However, I would argue that protection is accomplished with the neutralization... Marengo Dec 2016 #12

Strange - homicides up, even non-gun, but most crime rates down... jmg257 Dec 2016 #14

If I wanted to murder someone, I'd take them on a vacation to Florida. Vinca Dec 2016 #18

Sickeningly, that is probably a workable plan etherealtruth Dec 2016 #19

irrelevant study Calculating Dec 2016 #21

Irrelevant comment HAB911 Dec 2016 #22

Insufficient evidence Calculating Dec 2016 #23

I live here HAB911 Dec 2016 #24

Well don't give them a reason Calculating Dec 2016 #25

Martin should have shot him and stood his ground HAB911 Dec 2016 #27

WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU? Skittles Dec 2016 #39

WTF is wrong indeed HAB911 Dec 2016 #41

Why attack a guy displaying a gun? Calculating Jan 2017 #62

The actual study cited an increase in the rate of homicide ... not gun violence. etherealtruth Dec 2016 #28

I can't get to the actual article. Igel Dec 2016 #30

I found it earlier (via a backdoor google, but can't recreate to get to it ... articles dated 1/2017 etherealtruth Dec 2016 #31

It's important you cling to the study being irrelevant LanternWaste Jan 2017 #53

Bingo LittleBlue Dec 2016 #40

Unless, of course, gun violence had decreased Orrex Jan 2017 #54

Not surprised rockfordfile Dec 2016 #38

Guess it's working as intended then. Crunchy Frog Jan 2017 #46

Several things- like using homicide rates instead of murder rates Lee-Lee Jan 2017 #48

Stand Your Ground law not working as intended despite changing self defense in Florida HAB911 Jan 2017 #60