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JCMach1

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68. Anthony needs to read this article:
Sat Dec 31, 2016, 04:41 PM
Dec 2016
ELECTION 2016
An Insider's View: The Dark Rigidity of Fundamentalist Rural America
In deep-red white America, the white Christian God is king.
By Forsetti's Justice / AlterNet November 22, 2016
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As the aftermath of the election of Donald Trump is being sorted out, a common theme keeps cropping up from all sides: "Democrats failed to understand white, working-class, fly-over America.”

Trump supporters are saying this. Progressive pundits are saying this. Talking heads across all forms of the media are saying this. Even some Democratic leaders are saying this. It doesn’t matter how many people say it, it is complete BS. It is an intellectual/linguistic sleight of hand meant to draw attention away from the real problem. The real problem isn’t East Coast elites who don’t understand or care about rural America. The real problem is that rural Americans don't understand the causes of their own situations and fears and they have shown no interest in finding out. They don’t want to know why they feel the way they do or why they are struggling because they don’t want to admit it is in large part because of the choices they’ve made and the horrible things they’ve allowed themselves to believe.

I grew up in rural Christian white America. You’d be hard-pressed to find an area of the country with a higher percentage of Christians or whites. I spent most of the first 24 years of my life deeply embedded in this culture. I religiously (pun intended) attended their Christian services. I worked off and on on their rural farms. I dated their calico-skirted daughters. I camped, hunted and fished with their sons. I listened to their political rants at the local diner and truck stop. I winced at their racist/bigoted jokes and epithets that were said more out of ignorance than animosity. I have watched the town I grew up in go from a robust economy with well-kept homes and infrastructure to a struggling economy with shuttered businesses, dilapidated homes and a broken-down infrastructure over the past 30 years. The problem isn’t that I don’t understand these people. The problem is they don’t understand themselves or the reasons for their anger and frustration.

In deep-red America, the white Christian god is king, figuratively and literally. Religious fundamentalism has shaped most of their belief systems. Systems built on a fundamentalist framework are not conducive to introspection, questioning, learning, or change. When you have a belief system built on fundamentalism, it isn’t open to outside criticism, especially by anyone not a member of your tribe and in a position of power. The problem isn’t that coastal elites don’t understand rural Americans. The problem is that rural America doesn’t understand itself and will never listen to anyone outside its bubble. It doesn’t matter how “understanding” you are, how well you listen, what language you use…if you are viewed as an outsider, your views will be automatically discounted. I’ve had hundreds of discussions with rural white Americans and whenever I present them any information that contradicts their entrenched beliefs, no matter how sound, how unquestionable, how obvious, they will not even entertain the possibility that it might be true. Their refusal is a result of the nature of their fundamentalist belief system and the fact that I’m the enemy because I’m an educated liberal... http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/rural-america-understanding-isnt-problem
He knows better than that underpants Dec 2016 #1
Soo, he didn't mean what he said? cwydro Dec 2016 #29
Anyone who is willing to destroy the country due to hurt feelings deserves the condescension. LonePirate Dec 2016 #2
+100000000 JHan Dec 2016 #4
And the far end of the spectrum of rhetoric coming from Trumpist Dumbfuckistan, people get killed. baldguy Dec 2016 #22
The real irony here is that the right-wingers scream about 'special snowflakes wanting safe spaces' LeftishBrit Dec 2016 #72
+1,000,000. HughBeaumont Dec 2016 #59
Yeah.. JHan Dec 2016 #3
+1 uponit7771 Dec 2016 #8
+1000 JustAnotherGen Dec 2016 #55
+ 1,000. HughBeaumont Dec 2016 #60
"Mmm, holy shit, what is this?" A-Schwarzenegger Dec 2016 #5
Speak for yourself, asshole! 50 Shades Of Blue Dec 2016 #6
Another white or rich liberal who can afford Benedict Donald... why listen to these people? uponit7771 Dec 2016 #7
The fact the term 'working-class' has been hijacked by the right and the left keeps using it nini Dec 2016 #9
Good point on the working class! Generator Dec 2016 #44
It plays right into their game of working people are republicans nini Dec 2016 #46
+1000000! SammyWinstonJack Dec 2016 #63
"The contempt is not for the 'working-class' but those who voted with their racism, homophobia..." Different Drummer Dec 2016 #73
When somebody says some racist shit should we ignore them? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2016 #10
there are working class people in the east and west coast JI7 Dec 2016 #11
EXACTLY!!!!! Working class people from coast to coast! Wiseman32218 Dec 2016 #48
how about the way his friend ted nugent talks about certain people JI7 Dec 2016 #12
Actual published interview can be found here... PoliticAverse Dec 2016 #13
Yup, if we hadn't disenfranchised hundreds of thousands of voters gratuitous Dec 2016 #14
And Don't Forget Me. Dec 2016 #19
Trump is a privileged east coast person JI7 Dec 2016 #15
Bourdain's mostly correct. Hubris led to displays of contempt. aikoaiko Dec 2016 #16
Even if it was true it was the one of the most stupid things she did. m-lekktor Dec 2016 #18
oh fuck that bullshit, Trump insulted our intelligence on a daily basis Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #20
Politics isn't a fair game is the only answer I have for you. aikoaiko Dec 2016 #23
There is no doubt that Hillary's statement about 1/2 of Trumps supporters ... spin Dec 2016 #27
do you have any polling data to support your assertion? If not, I would KingCharlemagne Dec 2016 #49
If I had polling data how could I tell if it was accurate or not? ... spin Dec 2016 #52
That is an amazing find (and my compliments and heartfelt KingCharlemagne Dec 2016 #54
You might well be right about white make supremacy. ... spin Dec 2016 #65
Bullshit. tenderfoot Dec 2016 #17
They don't have contempt for them treestar Dec 2016 #21
Very good point. It's the bigots who have contempt for anybody else. yardwork Dec 2016 #39
Are we supposed to wipe their asses for them too? NightWatcher Dec 2016 #24
We do not have contempt for the working class. Quite the contrary. smirkymonkey Dec 2016 #25
Rich white guy gives interview to Libertarian magazine Reason... SidDithers Dec 2016 #26
This is not surprising because Bourdain will swallow anything. A-Schwarzenegger Dec 2016 #28
...from the same "man" who sees fighting on the floor as Dawson Leery Dec 2016 #30
The Daily Mail is a right-wing British tabloid oberliner Dec 2016 #31
Interesting, I must say I have to agree with this quote. frankieallen Dec 2016 #32
Bull. Coastal liberals have contempt for bigots of all stripes. pnwmom Dec 2016 #33
Fuck those bumpkins NewsomeSF Dec 2016 #34
I clicked on this thread intending to reply "You mean yourself, you smug asshole?" Iggo Dec 2016 #35
Bourdain for DNC chair LittleBlue Dec 2016 #36
I doubt this, actually. yardwork Dec 2016 #37
Bourdain is assuming everyone is like him. He is an extreme elitist. I doubt he thinks any of us stevenleser Dec 2016 #38
"morons and rubes" are now seeking the protection of political correctness. oasis Dec 2016 #40
No one has more contempt for the working class than do republicans SharonClark Dec 2016 #41
Exactly - that's the real story! RiverStone Dec 2016 #43
my only problem with this is those red state okieinpain Dec 2016 #42
The problem isn't red-state, gun-country, working-class America... milestogo Dec 2016 #45
Dude needs to eat more brains. n/t BlueSpot Dec 2016 #47
I have contempt for stupid, racist, hate-filled people regardless of whatever the hell they are. BlueStater Dec 2016 #50
I partially agree with him. Snackshack Dec 2016 #51
He could do with examining his own hypocrisy muriel_volestrangler Dec 2016 #53
There's some parts of the South where I suspect he'd get his ass kicked... Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #56
This message was self-deleted by its author DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2016 #57
It cuts both ways MountCleaners Dec 2016 #58
Maybe Anthony needs to take a gander at this: HughBeaumont Dec 2016 #61
I might point out to Anthony that if it wasn't for "privileged Eastern liberals," the people he is Vinca Dec 2016 #62
Anthony is right jack_krass Dec 2016 #64
He's right alarimer Dec 2016 #66
Bull Puckey... Close-minded Fundamentalism (not just the religious sense) JCMach1 Dec 2016 #67
Anthony needs to read this article: JCMach1 Dec 2016 #68
The majority of working class people are NOT fearful racist gun humping white guys. hunter Dec 2016 #69
Speak for yourself, Bourdain! LeftishBrit Dec 2016 #70
The right-wing elite are playing a very clever game IMO LeftishBrit Dec 2016 #71
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