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Hortensis

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12. No. What changed is that we now have a far weaker
Sat Dec 31, 2016, 05:07 PM
Dec 2016

conservative faction in the party since most Southern Democrats moved to, and took over, the GOP. Before then centrists in both parties cooperated as needed to keep the rabid southern conservatives and religionists checked. Now it's just us.

Sure, the vast money in politics has had some corrupting effect on our party also, but to a vastly smaller degree than the GOP. They've collapsed under corruption and corruption-generated extremism, while we're still at basic healthy and principled. We have not lost the way.

What you imagine is a massive shift to the right from abandonment of ideals is actually the effect of the reality that we have to appeal to a majority or we will become completely ineffectual. This last election was when our efforts to appeal to right-centrist voters might finally win us some moderate conservatives for whom their party had hit bottom. NOT corruption.

Just watching Obama, and then Hillary, try to hold the American center solid together against the attacks of what has become an extremist Republican Party should make that obvious.

Hear Hear! Chasstev365 Dec 2016 #1
Yes, they have really disrespected Pres. Obama in the most obnoxious ways, in spite of Cal33 Dec 2016 #2
Completely Agree Chasstev365 Dec 2016 #3
I think you are correct. Repubs. probably don't think that Dems. are capable of really uniting Cal33 Dec 2016 #4
Yep. Too gentle. Zorro Dec 2016 #17
The common notion that Democrats in congress are weak and Hortensis Dec 2016 #5
"Democracy itself is the product of liberals," I agree. "amd the people we sent to Congress are Cal33 Dec 2016 #8
No. What changed is that we now have a far weaker Hortensis Dec 2016 #12
Both Democrats and Republicans are leaving their respective Parties in droves. Pew Research Cal33 Dec 2016 #15
Cal33, there IS a vast right-wing conspiracy to destroy Hortensis Dec 2016 #16
Yes. Liberals are carrying on the movement started by Sanders and Warren. No doubt about it. Cal33 Jan 2017 #19
Lol. Birth of a nation 2015? Hortensis Jan 2017 #20
No, not the Birth of a Nation 2015, but the healing and regrowth of FDR's Liberal Democratic Cal33 Jan 2017 #21
Am I purged? Seems like I should ask. Hortensis Jan 2017 #22
Bernie is articulate enough, and Elizabeth even more so, but I don't consider either Cal33 Jan 2017 #23
Just a malleable little woman--"probably?" Hortensis Jan 2017 #24
Being a high-school debating champ is great. It promises much for the future. But Cal33 Jan 2017 #26
That's nice, Cal33. I'm in a cranky mood with Hortensis Jan 2017 #27
Ahh, Hortensis, just look at it this way: Nothing on earth is permanent. Everything is temporary - Cal33 Jan 2017 #29
You too. Got a black-humor smile, anyway. Pubs' first move: Hortensis Jan 2017 #32
Well, the last I heard is that Repubs. have abandoned the idea of killing the ethics committee -- Cal33 Jan 2017 #33
Well, the Pubs OWN this now. Backing out doesn't negate Hortensis Jan 2017 #34
K & R SammyWinstonJack Dec 2016 #6
Thanks for your K & R. Cal33 Dec 2016 #11
I plan to call my senators and congressman so often, they will eventually block me. femmocrat Dec 2016 #7
I hope you won't stop. And a hearty "BRAVA!!!" to you. Cal33 Dec 2016 #9
Thanks! femmocrat Dec 2016 #10
I'm asking mine to not be petty but Retrograde Dec 2016 #13
Agreed. A very good point. Cal33 Jan 2017 #18
Damn right! meow2u3 Dec 2016 #14
Rethugs endorsing Comrade Trump's horrible picks are nothing but a pack of Quislings. kairos12 Jan 2017 #25
ABSOLUTELY!!!! And there are reasons for this other than an impotent opposition by a miniority. Squinch Jan 2017 #28
Yes! I feel quite certain that Warren and Sanders will be shouting on the roof-tops every time Cal33 Jan 2017 #30
We need ads in newspapers, bilboards in that "rust belt," letters to editors. Squinch Jan 2017 #31
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