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Hortensis

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19. Agree. I'm a Democrat and this opportunistic polemic
Sat Dec 31, 2016, 05:29 PM
Dec 2016

bears no resemblance to me or any of the many Democrats I've known over the years. No doubt if you search some upscale urban restaurants you'll find some people it does, but they do not define the party.

Rich's imagining of a party in which many millions of working people have no interest in the problems of working people is facile and stupid.

It also bizarrely ignores the reality that America would have elected a Democratic president and almost certainly Senate majority if it were not for massive corruption of the election by right-wing voter suppression, months of filling the media with political lies pushed by money-corrupted media (including the AP and NY Times, as well as cable news), outright treason by the Director of the FBI, and massive interference by the Kremlin, very much including a blizzard of political lies on social media by right-wing and Russian operatives in the last few weeks.

But his views do show clearly the sort of people he searched out to validate his notions.

Trump was elected by a right wing whose brains were pickled by manipulators taking advantage of their tremendous weaknesses--above all the lack of an intrinsic intellectual grounding for a conservative ideology. Their overriding current "ideology" isn't anti-free trade, as Thomas would have it--it's as usual the mindless anti-Democrat passion they've been trained in ever since the collapse of the Soviet Union left them needing another enemy to fear and hate.

The scary reality is that today's conservatives would be dutifully for free trade tomorrow if Democrats opposed it and their leaders told them to support it. Fake news just allowed them to justify to themselves voting for their party's candidate even though it required abandoning intellect, morality, basic standards of decency, and even the precepts of their religions.

Complete bullshit. Squinch Dec 2016 #1
Agree. I'm a Democrat and this opportunistic polemic Hortensis Dec 2016 #19
It IS interesting how the conservatives are so malleable. There is a psychology Squinch Dec 2016 #40
You know, they believe in nothing they can define in words, but Hortensis Dec 2016 #43
That's the problem Lord_at_War Dec 2016 #47
but they ARE voters. they voted for HIllary . it's how she won Nevada , NY etc JI7 Dec 2016 #50
I am sure they voted in the same percentages as everyone else. Squinch Dec 2016 #51
so Afromania Dec 2016 #2
That is the point: truebluegreen Jan 2017 #59
aye Afromania Jan 2017 #62
The good news is no one can hide anymore. truebluegreen Jan 2017 #63
really? when did that happen? such utter bullshit. spanone Dec 2016 #3
Because the Dems edhopper Dec 2016 #4
You want to use truebluegreen Jan 2017 #60
Sorry I am not pure enough edhopper Jan 2017 #67
The Dems are the party of all people... SidDithers Dec 2016 #5
THIS !!!!!!!!!! nt Maru Kitteh Dec 2016 #55
This. Starry Messenger Jan 2017 #65
What is this tripe even doing here? world wide wally Dec 2016 #6
More carefully concealed Bernie slobbing. Charles Bukowski Dec 2016 #7
Post removed Post removed Dec 2016 #8
Trump lost by nearly 3 million votes. That makes 6 out of 7 Republicans who have lost the popular Charles Bukowski Dec 2016 #10
Not gun bans. benEzra Dec 2016 #45
voter suppression and gerrymander. I find more people on the left act like 2010 never happened and uponit7771 Dec 2016 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author Jake Stern Dec 2016 #14
frig that's a lie bdamomma Dec 2016 #9
There's a grain of truth in it. gulliver Dec 2016 #11
So 90% of PoC voted dem and now we're elites too? I don't see this having any truth unless ... uponit7771 Dec 2016 #13
No, the elitism charge against Dems is asinine. gulliver Dec 2016 #22
Meritocracy has always been problematic. Willie Pep Dec 2016 #17
A meritocracy isn't inherently illiberal if everybody has an equal chance to succeed. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2016 #24
The argument is not that we discard expertise. Willie Pep Jan 2017 #64
I agree. gulliver Dec 2016 #28
Elite in this case is Liberal. lancelyons Dec 2016 #31
That, and the clickbait site you found it on is MineralMan Dec 2016 #15
I must have missed that memo. n/t Different Drummer Dec 2016 #16
If Obama could have run for a third term he would have beat Trump ... spin Dec 2016 #18
Dems went from being 'party of the people' to the Party of Rich Elites ...... LenaBaby61 Dec 2016 #20
Tell that to the millions of lower-income Americans who voted for the Dems, pnwmom Dec 2016 #21
This is complete 100% bullshit! Initech Dec 2016 #23
Since when is elite a derogatory term? question everything Dec 2016 #25
It's more like Democrats became more interested in money and fund-raising than in its people. kentuck Dec 2016 #26
Fake news scscholar Dec 2016 #27
Thomas Frank has zentrum Dec 2016 #29
He wrote "What's the Matter with Kansas" MountCleaners Dec 2016 #33
That's an excellent book. zentrum Dec 2016 #41
"Listen. Liberal" is an excellent book by him as well. m-lekktor Dec 2016 #57
Yeah i dont agree. lancelyons Dec 2016 #30
just another wrong conclusion or opinion amongst so many recently NRaleighLiberal Dec 2016 #32
And the brainwashing continues. . . . anniebelle Dec 2016 #34
Just stop. hunter Dec 2016 #35
Good points, LWolf Dec 2016 #36
More "Democrats same as Republicans" bullshit. baldguy Dec 2016 #37
+1 uponit7771 Jan 2017 #61
Thomas Frank spent the whole campaign season slagging Hillary Clinton. johnp3907 Dec 2016 #38
DLC moondust Dec 2016 #39
Post removed Post removed Dec 2016 #42
Take away the blue states and America becomes DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2016 #44
I respect the author's point of view but I disagree with the premise that our party is a party whic Naamah Dec 2016 #46
in THomas Frank's world there is no Racism, Sexism, Anti lbgt and other bigotry JI7 Dec 2016 #48
so Blacks, Hispanics, Native Americans, LGBT , Women are the Rich Elites ?????????? JI7 Dec 2016 #49
Bull Shit liberal N proud Dec 2016 #52
I'm sorry but I just don't buy this premise at all. YOHABLO Dec 2016 #53
You have to read Frank with the understanding that he is not an activist SharonClark Dec 2016 #54
Yeah right and the republicans went from the party of rich elites to the party of the people lunasun Dec 2016 #56
Thomas Frank is a prophet in the Dem party Larkspur Dec 2016 #58
GAWD..this crap is getting so boring nini Jan 2017 #66
Many can NOT rationally discuss this obvious fact!! eniwetok Jan 2017 #68
InTheseTimes.com? Seriously?? Blue_Tires Jan 2017 #69
that was a rebuttal? seriously? n/t eniwetok Jan 2017 #70
I'm sorry, just who the fuck are you again? Blue_Tires Jan 2017 #72
The party of rich elites? smirkymonkey Jan 2017 #71
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