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Yeah that damn Obamacare..... Historic NY Jan 2017 #1
I know & agree. It is hard to understand how the Dems let that part get away so easy. They should Alekzander Jan 2017 #5
The Dems don't have a set of Koch Brothers to catapult the propaganda, Alekzander. That seems Hekate Jan 2017 #97
Uhhh.... Our big problem is that LIES DON'T WORK FOR US. Hortensis Jan 2017 #129
When Democrats do something right, they apologize for it. When Republicans do something wrong... yurbud Jan 2017 #20
Well said!!! Democrats are SLOW learners!!! n/t RKP5637 Jan 2017 #79
+1000 smirkymonkey Jan 2017 #119
Sounds like a pretty bizarre rant, given the facts that President Obama lapucelle Jan 2017 #2
+100000000000 I can't with Van anymore. JHan Jan 2017 #4
Yeah his analysis borders on delusional La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2017 #6
Actually, I think it is delusional to say his analysis borders on delusional. Van unlike many has Alekzander Jan 2017 #10
But Van seems to give Obama a pass on DNC and blames it all on HRC. Obama is the one who appointed Justice Jan 2017 #15
Agreed. There's lots and lots of bashing to go around in the present cluster fuck. paleotn Jan 2017 #19
What I don't get is: JHan Jan 2017 #28
Don't agree with Jones on all things, but he makes good points... paleotn Jan 2017 #18
Bob Somerby of the Daily Howler has been covering the revisionism lapucelle Jan 2017 #26
"Only one candidate for president this year voted in favor" TexasBushwhacker Jan 2017 #51
I think it's safe to say that Hillary would have voted for the bill, but it's Jones lapucelle Jan 2017 #53
Fair enough n/t TexasBushwhacker Jan 2017 #54
Two points..... paleotn Jan 2017 #59
Bob Somerby was not defending the crime bill or the repeal of Glass-Steagall. lapucelle Jan 2017 #64
Yes, a lot of blame to go around.... paleotn Jan 2017 #67
I wasn't aware of him, that's the most balanced commentary on those issues I've read. JHan Jan 2017 #66
Bob Somerby is daily read for me. He's a liberal critic of the liberal media, lapucelle Jan 2017 #101
Well said, lapucelle! Why hasn't Van Jones spoken out against Sierra Blanca? Cha Jan 2017 #41
I suspect he is on CNN for a reason-- because he will help undermine Dems Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #45
That's funny, there i was thinking the rest of brass in Democratic party had it well in hand nolabels Jan 2017 #52
the fact is moderate Dems are the ones who've gotten elected President recently Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #69
You must be talking about the chameleons that talk like liberals nolabels Jan 2017 #118
well, thanks for helping to get Trump elected then Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #120
Totally agree, Fast Walker.. "he will help undermine Dems" Cha Jan 2017 #72
He's Very Good At Artful Smears otohara Jan 2017 #127
Yes, artful indeed. Because he says a lot of good things, while putting out crap like this (the OP) Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #131
Let's see, FDR was President how many cycles ago? truebluegreen Jan 2017 #55
Jones was talking about current putative problems in the perception of the Democratic lapucelle Jan 2017 #58
My "perception" of the Democratic Party truebluegreen Jan 2017 #65
I wasn't talking about a life long Democrat's perception lapucelle Jan 2017 #68
The only thing wrong with the talking point truebluegreen Jan 2017 #75
I think Hillary paid a higher price for her mistakes lapucelle Jan 2017 #77
Sexism certainly played a part truebluegreen Jan 2017 #87
There was a great article in NY Magazine that in part discussed lapucelle Jan 2017 #94
I think she was a legacy truebluegreen Jan 2017 #111
No record to run on? maddiemom Jan 2017 #125
Exactly! maddiemom Jan 2017 #124
+1 betsuni Jan 2017 #92
What did we do wrong? Hard to say because the election was STOLEN. The Putin/Trump war room AnotherMother4Peace Jan 2017 #3
It WAS an act of war--and the Republican party was NOT on the American side! lastlib Jan 2017 #9
Funny, the Republicans seem to have a habit of not being on the American side... paleotn Jan 2017 #21
sure seems that way! Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #50
Mahalo, AM4Peace! All these vultures aren't talking about that. Cha Jan 2017 #43
While Dems Chase Russians, Repubs Keep Rigging Elections... RealityChik Jan 2017 #113
I agree with all of this except: truebluegreen Jan 2017 #121
good rtracey Jan 2017 #7
Absolutely agree. There is always a time for those to move on & that does not take away from the Alekzander Jan 2017 #8
Exactly. Thanks. zentrum Jan 2017 #14
Yup yup, VJ just tellin it like it is... the Clintons are SO yesterday. InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2017 #12
Clinton came across as the elitist establishment HopeAgain Jan 2017 #16
That's been the Democratic mantra for generations.... paleotn Jan 2017 #23
Clinton came across as the elitist establishment LenaBaby61 Jan 2017 #33
I mean Cosmocat Jan 2017 #42
No she didn't .. that was a RW talking point. 66 Miilion thought not. Cha Jan 2017 #71
Just because we voted for her RazBerryBeret Jan 2017 #81
"Elite Establishment" RW Talking point. Cha Jan 2017 #83
even if.... RazBerryBeret Jan 2017 #85
Hillary had a wonderful progressvie Democratic Platform.. she's Cha Jan 2017 #86
oh I'm not disagreeing with any of that RazBerryBeret Jan 2017 #88
Yep loyalsister Jan 2017 #24
I'm sure the Clinton's agree. Don't think it's in her plans to run again. Sanders OTOH. . . ? brush Jan 2017 #56
The tell this is a right wing rant: "Democrat support for Obamacare..." SunSeeker Jan 2017 #11
Prescisely SunSeeker! I wouldn't put one bit of stock in anything Cha Jan 2017 #63
Yep. You know they've adopted right wing narratives when they've adopted GOP mangled grammar. SunSeeker Jan 2017 #74
It's Ridiculous.. but here we are countering RW Talking points. Cha Jan 2017 #84
Van Jones is a RWer now? dionysus Jan 2017 #115
No, he is repeating a right wing rant. nt SunSeeker Jan 2017 #117
Agreed. nt zentrum Jan 2017 #13
They've gone hard right Horse with no Name Jan 2017 #17
I agree 100% vlakitti Jan 2017 #22
More Progressive is the way to go. The Clinton's had a great run-time for some new blood. jalan48 Jan 2017 #25
Yes. Alekzander Jan 2017 #31
Definitely time for the Dem Party to move Right to capture those rural & red low information states Hekate Jan 2017 #95
LOL-if we did at least we would be consistent with past behavior. jalan48 Jan 2017 #96
You appear to have missed my sarcasm thingy, as well as my point Hekate Jan 2017 #98
I got it- jalan48 Jan 2017 #99
well you cant count on the left to vote so you have to move to the middle Ohioblue22 Jan 2017 #27
In my area, at least, you absolutely cannot count on the left to vote. femmedem Jan 2017 #36
the excuses make me sick Ohioblue22 Jan 2017 #39
So you wanna move right, eh? dionysus Jan 2017 #116
no i dont. i want the left to fall in line during the general Ohioblue22 Jan 2017 #123
The Clinton days are over, elmac Jan 2017 #29
a Clinton is so Scary that Republicans had to turn to Putin to keep her out of office. So sad. n/t delisen Jan 2017 #30
Sanders is talking about more sucking up to white working class men who voted for Trump bigtree Jan 2017 #32
Sanders is talking about more sucking up to white working class men who voted for Trump. LenaBaby61 Jan 2017 #34
It seems to me Bernie's talking about OnionPatch Jan 2017 #128
if he WAS talking about ALL working class bigtree Jan 2017 #130
So he acknowledges some of the party's failures OnionPatch Jan 2017 #132
you're arguing with your own invented premise, not mine bigtree Jan 2017 #133
lol. van jones works for cnn JI7 Jan 2017 #35
we need leaders like Gavin Newsom, who represent the future. Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #37
Gavin Newsom has been mentioned a lot along with Kalama Harris Alekzander Jan 2017 #38
I like Harris, too. Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #40
True there Warren. Gavin & Kamala are like CA, forward thinking, young & strong leaders that has Alekzander Jan 2017 #44
You make good points. One thing that should be remembered, though, outside the specific presidential Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #47
Well, you & I are on the same page, agree totally especially the messaging part. Also, yes, Alekzander Jan 2017 #57
googling leads to he is running for governor of CA treestar Jan 2017 #78
he has led on issues like marriage equality and cannabis legalization. Ahead of the curve. Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #134
Only supported Clinton in primaries/general cause she was choice left after O'Malley KittyWampus Jan 2017 #46
Now we have a leadership vacuum, but that also provides an opportunity for us to decide what we Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #48
Warren that is correct like how the Brooklyn Clinton Headquarters ignored the campaign workers on Alekzander Jan 2017 #61
Exactly. Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #62
Jones is mostly correct, but it remains to be seen how much $$$ the Clinton Foundation will be able aikoaiko Jan 2017 #49
You don't have a single damned clue what the Clinton Foundation actually does; do you? Maru Kitteh Jan 2017 #70
Yes, Maru Kitteh, I know what the Foundation does. aikoaiko Jan 2017 #80
So, sideways out of orifices not intended for the purpose, then. Maru Kitteh Jan 2017 #90
You can say that again, Kitteh betsuni Jan 2017 #91
Your friends will console you through your sickness, I'm sure. aikoaiko Jan 2017 #100
The fact of HRC for the most votes on the primaries and the most votes in the Thinkingabout Jan 2017 #60
Wait, is it 2001? Did I accidentally fall into a time machine or something? betsuni Jan 2017 #73
Far from over. HassleCat Jan 2017 #76
Bill Clinton's influence on the party resulted in winning the popular vote 6 of the last 7 elections stevenleser Jan 2017 #82
so proud of my state MFM008 Jan 2017 #89
Yup. 47% of voters wanted the next president to be more conservative. SunSeeker Jan 2017 #93
That's a scary statistic. joshcryer Jan 2017 #122
We lost in 2000, 2004, and now 2016. And that's ignoring state-level results, which have been worse. killbotfactory Jan 2017 #103
Stop trying to use melodrama to try to overcome facts. It makes you look silly and it won't work. stevenleser Jan 2017 #104
"a lot of Democrats simply undervote and leave the lower races blank on their ballots" killbotfactory Jan 2017 #107
Yep. stevenleser Jan 2017 #108
And by the way, see Sunseeker's #93 above. We don't have to guess what the people want. stevenleser Jan 2017 #106
Why do you have so much trust in polls after this election? killbotfactory Jan 2017 #112
Yes, all of a sudden everyone thinks they are smarter than pollsters and can ignore the one piece stevenleser Jan 2017 #114
Wow. I never would have guessed how easy it would be for some to throw him under the bus. aikoaiko Jan 2017 #102
What you call throwing under the bus, I call disagreeing because he is wrong. No big deal. nt stevenleser Jan 2017 #105
Calling his point delusional, bizarre, RW talking points not throwing him under the bus? aikoaiko Jan 2017 #109
I would say his point is definitely bizarre given history. Disagree with delusional. Could be stevenleser Jan 2017 #110
I love Van Jones ismnotwasm Jan 2017 #126
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