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EffieBlack

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24. Good question - but not relevant to THIS question

Sat Jan 7, 2017, 02:20 AM

Jan 2017

Bernie's big claim to fame is that HE's different than the rest. So it doesn't matter what the rest of them did or didn't do. Why didn't BERNIE do speak up today?

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Why didn't Bernie join the congress members who tried to prevent Trump from being certified? [View all] ecstatic Jan 2017 OP

Maybe he called a few election lawyers and asked was there a case to me made... nycbos Jan 2017 #1

Shhh. . .that's called logic. And professional Bernie Haters don't like that Feeling the Bern Jan 2017 #32

+1000000! SammyWinstonJack Jan 2017 #59

For the record I supported Hillary in the primary. nycbos Jan 2017 #66

That's not "logic". It's a mistake. Because it's FACT that a significant number of Republican KittyWampus Jan 2017 #68

Except there is the legal fact the electors were not qualified. KittyWampus Jan 2017 #67

No, there was an internet allegation that the electors were not qualified. brooklynite Jan 2017 #69

They were posted here multiple times. Why are you even responding if you aren't KittyWampus Jan 2017 #71

Democrats should try to win elections instead of farting 'round with bureaucracies. Eleanors38 Jan 2017 #107

There has to be a reason none of the Senators showed. Dustlawyer Jan 2017 #77

Exact same scenario played out in 2001. No senators stood up... tandem5 Jan 2017 #154

Maybe is the operative word treestar Jan 2017 #100

Maybe if I'm Sanders I would fight just to be seen and heard no matter the futility. tandem5 Jan 2017 #151

KNR Lucinda Jan 2017 #2

Mind boggling, where was Elizabeth Warren, Al Franken..................? doc03 Jan 2017 #3

Good Question but... LovingA2andMI Jan 2017 #8

Super Bernie! Able to get everything passed with a single vote Feeling the Bern Jan 2017 #33

That's what his supporters said about him treestar Jan 2017 #101

Yep. eom BlueCaliDem Jan 2017 #103

Actually.... LovingA2andMI Jan 2017 #164

Yes they did. He was touted as treestar Jan 2017 #169

BS.... LovingA2andMI Jan 2017 #170

Oh baloney treestar Jan 2017 #172

Bernie's supposed to be different, isn't he? EffieBlack Jan 2017 #22

;) sheshe2 Jan 2017 #27

It's a fair question... I'd like to hear Bernie's explanation. After all, his political sense is second to none. InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2017 #29

The only reason he is "different" is that "I" is there and not a "D" Feeling the Bern Jan 2017 #34

+1 treestar Jan 2017 #102

Neither Warren nor Franken have made a habit over the decades of trashing the Democrats KittyWampus Jan 2017 #70

That was my question as well. Forget Sanders, he's an independent. But what about SlimJimmy Jan 2017 #157

Good question.. Cha Jan 2017 #4

Good question. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jan 2017 #5

This message was self-deleted by its author truebluegreen Jan 2017 #141

Makes you wonder. Kath2 Jan 2017 #6

That's a fair question and hopefully someone will ask Bernie at his town hall on Monday NWCorona Jan 2017 #7

No. They're mostly pragmatists, so going along with the ecstatic Jan 2017 #13

That town hall is for selling his book Gothmog Jan 2017 #57

That doesn't bother me. NWCorona Jan 2017 #72

Have you bought his latest book yet? Gothmog Jan 2017 #73

Nah, I didn't buy his last book. Did you? NWCorona Jan 2017 #79

Sanders does have anything to say that I care about Gothmog Jan 2017 #124

Nowhere did I say the circumstances are the same. When Hillary said that NWCorona Jan 2017 #128

There was no chance of Sanders being the nominee after Super Tuesday Gothmog Jan 2017 #133

I can concede that it became mathematically impossible for Bernie to win NWCorona Jan 2017 #135

I remember in June 2008 HRC saying she's still in because Obama could end up like Bobby Kennedy aikoaiko Jan 2017 #81

Read the timeline in the LA Times article Gothmog Jan 2017 #122

That timeline is meaningless and a Rorschach test for primary partisans. aikoaiko Jan 2017 #127

Facts are very relevant to this thread Gothmog Jan 2017 #129

The facts are they both got out toward the end of the primary race. aikoaiko Jan 2017 #131

The timeline and the facts show a very different response in the real world Gothmog Jan 2017 #134

Not really -- but the bitterness will go away eventually. There is hope for you. aikoaiko Jan 2017 #136

Given that many blame Sanders for Trump's win, that is not likely Gothmog Jan 2017 #143

Oh Gothmog, only the zealous Clinton loyalists blame Bernie. aikoaiko Jan 2017 #145

Really? To give you a flavor, here are the comments of a member of the DNC about Ellison Gothmog Jan 2017 #148

Exactly, the person you quote and strangely didn't bold is "Im a Hillary person." aikoaiko Jan 2017 #149

Denial is not just a river in Africa Gothmog Jan 2017 #150

Well, Democratic leadership invited Bernie on board. aikoaiko Jan 2017 #155

We will see Gothmog Jan 2017 #160

Its ok. We'll make, drink, and bath in lemonade with those angry tears. aikoaiko Jan 2017 #166

It will be a long four years under Trump and many will not forget Sanders role in helping trump win Gothmog Jan 2017 #168

It might be that Sanders knew better how to speak to his supporters than you karynnj Jan 2017 #144

I was a delegate to the national convention and to deal with bernie supporters/delegates Gothmog Jan 2017 #146

So, there was no chance of bias in what the Clinton team told you karynnj Jan 2017 #161

Oh, Bernie was supposed to stand up for Hillary. HassleCat Jan 2017 #9

Yeah - cos today was all about Hillary. FFS. nt pkdu Jan 2017 #16

It's really not about Hillary, although she was screwed/disrespected "big league" ecstatic Jan 2017 #18

Maybe he's picking his battles. Chemisse Jan 2017 #10

this is one of em to fight uponit7771 Jan 2017 #14

attempting to keep maggot OUT MFM008 Jan 2017 #19

An odd answer - when Hillary picked HER battles, Bernie's people called her a "sellout." EffieBlack Jan 2017 #23

Revolution? sheshe2 Jan 2017 #31

Bernie is very powerful, politically, right now. Chemisse Jan 2017 #62

So, now that he's so "powerful," he must not exercise that power so that he can stay powerful EffieBlack Jan 2017 #74

Unreal bravenak Jan 2017 #86

Actually, no. He is powerful because the rest of the Party is not. NT Eleanors38 Jan 2017 #112

The Independent Party? nt JTFrog Jan 2017 #152

And when the excuse for him not doing anything is "The rest of the party didn't do anything either" EffieBlack Jan 2017 #162

Wrong again. It is possible everybody's busted watch is right on time. Twice. Eleanors38 Jan 2017 #173

Hillary and Obama are always trashed for that treestar Jan 2017 #104

On another thread it was suggested that vanlassie Jan 2017 #11

A series of wrongs occurred. They should stand up and ecstatic Jan 2017 #37

Yes, he and other Senators could have. elleng Jan 2017 #12

yet he said... sheshe2 Jan 2017 #36

Agree... LovingA2andMI Jan 2017 #58

They just needed ONE Senator to sign on. Sanders should've been the one to step forward, BlueCaliDem Jan 2017 #110

Heh-heh. Bernie is supposed to "lead" when all the other Democrats DIDN'T "lead." Eleanors38 Jan 2017 #117

You can't have it both ways. You can't wail that Bernie is the Leader of the Revolution and then BlueCaliDem Jan 2017 #119

Fail. Review my answer to EffieBlack. It is absurd to concoct a moral test... Eleanors38 Jan 2017 #132

We're going in circles here. Bernie raged against the establishment machine. He was able to sell you BlueCaliDem Jan 2017 #153

Why didn't any of them? onecaliberal Jan 2017 #15

Good question - but not relevant to THIS question EffieBlack Jan 2017 #24

EffieBlack, that sums it up. Democrats across the board didn't move - But it was BERNIE!!!! Eleanors38 Jan 2017 #120

Probably for the SAME reason NONE of them did. So many claim Bernie isn't a real Dem, onecaliberal Jan 2017 #126

they are oligarchs beholden to the corporations treestar Jan 2017 #105

Here is a great audio podcast about it Equinox Moon Jan 2017 #17

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2017 #20

I've been asking the same question EffieBlack Jan 2017 #21

boxer signed on to the challenge in 2005 orleans Jan 2017 #25

Yes, she did. And she's a staunch Democrat and Liberal. I am flabbergasted that one of the loudest BlueCaliDem Jan 2017 #109

Because Bernie is fine with the outcome of this election. Don't expect him to go too hard on.... Tarheel_Dem Jan 2017 #26

Really? SammyWinstonJack Jan 2017 #60

I wonder about that, too, sadly. n/t LisaM Jan 2017 #78

Baloney--He backed HRC and you know it. panader0 Jan 2017 #85

Also note... Mike Nelson Jan 2017 #28

If the situation were reversed True_Blue Jan 2017 #39

I suppose it's nice... Mike Nelson Jan 2017 #50

Hell. PBO might have put her there under those circumstances, out of principle lostnfound Jan 2017 #51

Exactly treestar Jan 2017 #106

On that matter, why didn't more Democrats do it? more Bernie hate and anti-Bernie hit pieces Feeling the Bern Jan 2017 #30

Yup. Behind the Aegis Jan 2017 #45

For whatever reason, none of the Senators did. There are some major battles coming up, everything still_one Jan 2017 #35

Methinks, perhaps, that the uniting you seek is nowhere to be found. Crash2Parties Jan 2017 #38

Let me understand this. Are you saying those that supported Pelosi aren't people. still_one Jan 2017 #43

"The People" (ie the public) did not vote in the Minority leader caucus. Crash2Parties Jan 2017 #165

and who elects those house members, chopped liver? No, people still_one Jan 2017 #167

Perhaps you should consider BainsBane Jan 2017 #46

Which "people" (and how many) are you referring to? George II Jan 2017 #96

Mere change of personnel alone would not do it treestar Jan 2017 #108

"Most of Bernie's platform consists of stuff that will never happen." YOHABLO Jan 2017 #40

This message was self-deleted by its author panader0 Jan 2017 #88

"He could have stood up to the GOP today (to make up for not standing up 16 years ago when Bush*" Crunchy Frog Jan 2017 #41

Was he one of the reps that stood up back then with the CBC? brush Jan 2017 #54

I don't know. I w.ent and looked up my info. You could look up yours Crunchy Frog Jan 2017 #61

I thought about that time also yesterday lunasun Jan 2017 #65

It would have been a total waste of time and went nowhere. phleshdef Jan 2017 #42

Exactly loyalsister Jan 2017 #47

When Hillary picked HER battles and refused to take actions that would have led nowhere EffieBlack Jan 2017 #56

Bernie blah blah blah blah blah phleshdef Jan 2017 #95

Perhaps the Russians hacked for Bernie HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #44

Bernie s Part of the Establishment. Schumer is Leading the establishment in Congress delisen Jan 2017 #48

I lulz'd KG Jan 2017 #49

Because, just like Trump, if he can't lead the parade he's not interested. baldguy Jan 2017 #52

This message was self-deleted by its author panader0 Jan 2017 #89

Yes blue cat Jan 2017 #53

Have to keep the powder dry RandiFan1290 Jan 2017 #55

Yup - keep the powder dry for later pragmatism. Something Bernie's not supposed to be about EffieBlack Jan 2017 #75

Glad we are all working so diligently mac56 Jan 2017 #63

This has nothing to do with the primaries. This is about what Bernie didn't do YESTERDAY EffieBlack Jan 2017 #76

In 2000 Bernie was a Congressman not a Senator. Autumn Jan 2017 #64

word G_j Jan 2017 #83

I think the time has passed where Bernie can save us. It's too late. immoderate Jan 2017 #80

Unrec--which senators objected? Oh yeah, none. panader0 Jan 2017 #82

But, I thought he was SUPPOSED to be better Than the rest bravenak Jan 2017 #93

This message was self-deleted by its author panader0 Jan 2017 #98

Oh please. Lets not get personal and discuss me instead of the op bravenak Jan 2017 #99

You aren't running for anything... tonedevil Jan 2017 #113

Uh huh bravenak Jan 2017 #115

Same as you... tonedevil Jan 2017 #121

That comes into discussions without a point? I at least start my own topics. bravenak Jan 2017 #123

You can say what you like, tonedevil Jan 2017 #125

Because he is out on the road.. promoting his book, pangaia Jan 2017 #84

Because actually DOING SOMETHING would take away his power to DEMAGOGUE bravenak Jan 2017 #87

Not Walking His Talk Me. Jan 2017 #90

He Never Really Has bravenak Jan 2017 #92

True That Me. Jan 2017 #94

"Revolution" is just a buzz word Generator Jan 2017 #91

Exactly bravenak Jan 2017 #118

I think he had other "priorities". He sure didn't have the interest of the American people in mind. George II Jan 2017 #97

It would've been perfect had ALL Democratic and Independent Senators joined with House Dems BlueCaliDem Jan 2017 #111

Very good question, ecstatic. Very good question, indeed. eom BlueCaliDem Jan 2017 #114

The real question is... Else You Are Mad Jan 2017 #116

Oh FFS! KPN Jan 2017 #130

Why didn't Senator Clinton stand up in 2001 or 2005? karynnj Jan 2017 #137

Precedent zagamet Jan 2017 #138

Oh for FUCK'S SAKE truebluegreen Jan 2017 #139

Don't blame Bernie for 2000...he wasn't in the Senate then! red dog 1 Jan 2017 #140

It's over. azmom Jan 2017 #142

Probably not for long... FrankfurtCat Jan 2017 #147

It would not have changed anything... congress would then vote by 'state delegation' 4139 Jan 2017 #156

Because it was a fool's errand truebluegreen Jan 2017 #158

Nobody else did, either. alarimer Jan 2017 #159

No one else fought for Single Payer either but that didn't stop y'all from rah-rahing Bernie for EffieBlack Jan 2017 #163

That argument has never stopped Bernie on anything before. It seems pnwmom Jan 2017 #171