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In reply to the discussion: The Independent: Italian court rules MMR vaccine did trigger autism [View all]proverbialwisdom
(4,959 posts)1. Rebuttal in reverse chronology to the stupendously oversimplistic platitudes on that locked thread.
RE: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002856231
http://adventuresinautism.blogspot.com/2008/03/julie-gerberding-admits-on-cnn-that.html
March 31, 2008
Julie Gerberding Admits on CNN that Vaccines can Trigger Autism
This weekend Julie Gerberding, the head of the CDC, appeared on Dr. Sanjay Gupta's show, House Call, and explained that vaccines can trigger autism in a vulnerable subset of children. This is the claim that parents like me have been making since at least the 80's, and have been dismissed and even mocked for making it.
But no one in the mainstream media seems to have noticed. Not even CNN. Not even Dr. Gupta who was sitting right in front of her.
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March 31, 2008
Julie Gerberding Admits on CNN that Vaccines can Trigger Autism
This weekend Julie Gerberding, the head of the CDC, appeared on Dr. Sanjay Gupta's show, House Call, and explained that vaccines can trigger autism in a vulnerable subset of children. This is the claim that parents like me have been making since at least the 80's, and have been dismissed and even mocked for making it.
But no one in the mainstream media seems to have noticed. Not even CNN. Not even Dr. Gupta who was sitting right in front of her.
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http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20015982-10391695.html
September 9, 2010 2:14 PM
Family to Receive $1.5M+ in First-Ever Vaccine-Autism Court Award
By Sharyl Attkisson
The first court award in a vaccine-autism claim is a big one.
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Hannah was described as normal, happy and precocious in her first 18 months.
Then, in July 2000, she was vaccinated against nine diseases in one doctor's visit: measles, mumps, rubella, polio, varicella, diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus, and Haemophilus influenzae.
Afterward, her health declined rapidly. She developed high fevers, stopped eating, didn't respond when spoken to, began showing signs of autism, and began having screaming fits. In 2002, Hannah's parents filed an autism claim in federal vaccine court. Five years later, the government settled the case before trial and had it sealed. It's taken more than two years for both sides to agree on how much Hannah will be compensated for her injuries.
In acknowledging Hannah's injuries, the government said vaccines aggravated an unknown mitochondrial disorder Hannah had which didn't "cause" her autism, but "resulted" in it. It's unknown how many other children have similar undiagnosed mitochondrial disorder. All other autism "test cases" have been defeated at trial. Approximately 4,800 are awaiting disposition in federal vaccine court.
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September 9, 2010 2:14 PM
Family to Receive $1.5M+ in First-Ever Vaccine-Autism Court Award
By Sharyl Attkisson
The first court award in a vaccine-autism claim is a big one.
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Hannah was described as normal, happy and precocious in her first 18 months.
Then, in July 2000, she was vaccinated against nine diseases in one doctor's visit: measles, mumps, rubella, polio, varicella, diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus, and Haemophilus influenzae.
Afterward, her health declined rapidly. She developed high fevers, stopped eating, didn't respond when spoken to, began showing signs of autism, and began having screaming fits. In 2002, Hannah's parents filed an autism claim in federal vaccine court. Five years later, the government settled the case before trial and had it sealed. It's taken more than two years for both sides to agree on how much Hannah will be compensated for her injuries.
In acknowledging Hannah's injuries, the government said vaccines aggravated an unknown mitochondrial disorder Hannah had which didn't "cause" her autism, but "resulted" in it. It's unknown how many other children have similar undiagnosed mitochondrial disorder. All other autism "test cases" have been defeated at trial. Approximately 4,800 are awaiting disposition in federal vaccine court.
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http://www.ageofautism.com/2011/07/james-murdoch-is-still-supported-by-glaxosmithkline.html
James Murdoch is still supported by GlaxoSmithKline
By John Stone
James Murdoch, the beleagured News Corporation executive, has received a ringing endorsement from MMR manufacturer, GlaxoSmithKline according to Reuters news agency on Friday. GSK who appointed him to their board in February 2009 insist Murdoch has made a strong contribution to the group and received share payments worth $158,000 in 2010. Murdoch was appointed to the board of the pharmaceutical manufacturer with a brief to review external issues that might have the potential for serious impact upon the group's business and reputation."
Within a fortnight of his appointment News International had published at least 5 articles attacking MMR researcher Andrew Wakefields integrity (one , two , three , four and five ).
The accusations, while flawed, were devastating to Wakefields reputation. According to the Sunday Times and its journalist, Brian Deer, Wakefield was singly guilty of fabricating the data in the Lancet paper of 1998 although none of his 12 co-authors have ever repudiated it and one of them, histopathologist, Susan Davies subsequently wrote to British Medical Journal rebutting Deers interpretation of her evidence before the General Medical Council. Deers allegations were also based on his own inexpert interpretation of GP records which were never available to the authors of the paper. The allegations which were re-cycled by British Medical Journal were rebutted by Wakefield in his book Callous Disregard, and frequently in articles published on Age of Autism (AofA The Big Lie , AofA Time To Revisit Deer's Claims , AofA Part 2 Time To Revisit Deer's Claims ). In contrast to normal academic journal policy BMJ have adopted a legalistic defence of its allegations and (more here). Furthermore, they were forced to admit under pressure that they had undisclosed conflicts with MMR manufacturers Merck and GSK.
The Sunday Times campaign against Wakefield began in 2003 when section editor Paul Nuki approached Deer saying that he needed "something big" on "MMR" . Nuki was the son of Prof George Nuki who sat on the Committee on Safety on Medicines when MMR/Pluserix were first introduced in the late 1980s. Shortly afterwards Deer interviewed parent litigants under a false name. Unknown to Sunday Times readers Deer also pursued his own official complaints against Wakefield and colleagues and came to an arrangement with General Medical Council lawyers that he would not be named in the case, leaving him free to continue reporting as if an independent journalist . Deers obtaining and use of confidential data remains to be investigated.
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John Stone is UK Editor for Age of Autism.
Posted by Age of Autism at July 17, 2011 at 6:22 PM in Dr. Andrew Wakefield, John Stone, Vaccine Safety
James Murdoch is still supported by GlaxoSmithKline
By John Stone
James Murdoch, the beleagured News Corporation executive, has received a ringing endorsement from MMR manufacturer, GlaxoSmithKline according to Reuters news agency on Friday. GSK who appointed him to their board in February 2009 insist Murdoch has made a strong contribution to the group and received share payments worth $158,000 in 2010. Murdoch was appointed to the board of the pharmaceutical manufacturer with a brief to review external issues that might have the potential for serious impact upon the group's business and reputation."
Within a fortnight of his appointment News International had published at least 5 articles attacking MMR researcher Andrew Wakefields integrity (one , two , three , four and five ).
The accusations, while flawed, were devastating to Wakefields reputation. According to the Sunday Times and its journalist, Brian Deer, Wakefield was singly guilty of fabricating the data in the Lancet paper of 1998 although none of his 12 co-authors have ever repudiated it and one of them, histopathologist, Susan Davies subsequently wrote to British Medical Journal rebutting Deers interpretation of her evidence before the General Medical Council. Deers allegations were also based on his own inexpert interpretation of GP records which were never available to the authors of the paper. The allegations which were re-cycled by British Medical Journal were rebutted by Wakefield in his book Callous Disregard, and frequently in articles published on Age of Autism (AofA The Big Lie , AofA Time To Revisit Deer's Claims , AofA Part 2 Time To Revisit Deer's Claims ). In contrast to normal academic journal policy BMJ have adopted a legalistic defence of its allegations and (more here). Furthermore, they were forced to admit under pressure that they had undisclosed conflicts with MMR manufacturers Merck and GSK.
The Sunday Times campaign against Wakefield began in 2003 when section editor Paul Nuki approached Deer saying that he needed "something big" on "MMR" . Nuki was the son of Prof George Nuki who sat on the Committee on Safety on Medicines when MMR/Pluserix were first introduced in the late 1980s. Shortly afterwards Deer interviewed parent litigants under a false name. Unknown to Sunday Times readers Deer also pursued his own official complaints against Wakefield and colleagues and came to an arrangement with General Medical Council lawyers that he would not be named in the case, leaving him free to continue reporting as if an independent journalist . Deers obtaining and use of confidential data remains to be investigated.
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John Stone is UK Editor for Age of Autism.
Posted by Age of Autism at July 17, 2011 at 6:22 PM in Dr. Andrew Wakefield, John Stone, Vaccine Safety
http://adventuresinautism.blogspot.com/2011/07/revisiting-james-murdoch-brian-deer.html
Revisiting James Murdoch, Brian Deer, The Sunday Times, GlaxoSmithKline and the Attack on Andrew Wakefield
July 19, 2011
Revisiting James Murdoch, Brian Deer, The Sunday Times, GlaxoSmithKline and the Attack on Andrew Wakefield
July 19, 2011
http://www.ageofautism.com/2012/06/autism-and-what-the-experts-are-saying-part-one-nprs-tom-ashbrook-interviews-geri-dawson-and-max-wiz.html#comments
Autism and What the Experts are Saying, Part One: NPR's Tom Ashbrook Interviews Geri Dawson and Max Wiznitzer
By Anne Dachel
June 04, 2012 at 5:45 AM
Lengthy transcripts and commentary.
Also see comment: Posted by: cmo | June 04, 2012 at 11:52 AM
Autism and What the Experts are Saying, Part One: NPR's Tom Ashbrook Interviews Geri Dawson and Max Wiznitzer
By Anne Dachel
June 04, 2012 at 5:45 AM
Lengthy transcripts and commentary.
Also see comment: Posted by: cmo | June 04, 2012 at 11:52 AM
RELATED AUDIO LINKS: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014148376 - POST 35
http://www.ageofautism.com/2012/06/autism-and-what-the-experts-are-saying-part-two-.html
Autism and What the Experts are Saying, Part Two: Dawson, Zahorodny, and Amaral
By Anne Dachel
June 04, 2012 at 5:45 AM
If youre like me, youre sick to death of reporters telling you that all the science shows no link between vaccines and autism. Members of the press dont hesitate to remind the public on a daily basis that only misguided parents believe vaccinations can cause autism. Its usually a one sentence dismissal in a news report--more evidence that no one really wants to look into a controversy that could implicate the government and the medical community in an unprecedented health care scandal.
There are some huge chinks in the armor of the no link claim, however. Im referring to the public acknowledgement by some top medical experts that yes, vaccinations do sometimes cause children to become autistic.
There are more and more independent doctors out there saying there is a link, but Im talking about doctors who are often cited in news stories denying any causal relationship, yet who will also admit that, yes, sometimes vaccines are responsible.
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In April, 2011, Dr. David Amaral, Director of Research in the Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences, UC Davis MIND Institute, was interviewed for PBS by Robert MacNeil.
He was asked if vaccines can cause autism and he said this:
It was the late Dr. Bernadine Healy, former head of the National Institutes of Health, who was on CBS News in 2008 calling for such a study. She said,
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Autism and What the Experts are Saying, Part Two: Dawson, Zahorodny, and Amaral
By Anne Dachel
June 04, 2012 at 5:45 AM
If youre like me, youre sick to death of reporters telling you that all the science shows no link between vaccines and autism. Members of the press dont hesitate to remind the public on a daily basis that only misguided parents believe vaccinations can cause autism. Its usually a one sentence dismissal in a news report--more evidence that no one really wants to look into a controversy that could implicate the government and the medical community in an unprecedented health care scandal.
There are some huge chinks in the armor of the no link claim, however. Im referring to the public acknowledgement by some top medical experts that yes, vaccinations do sometimes cause children to become autistic.
There are more and more independent doctors out there saying there is a link, but Im talking about doctors who are often cited in news stories denying any causal relationship, yet who will also admit that, yes, sometimes vaccines are responsible.
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In April, 2011, Dr. David Amaral, Director of Research in the Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences, UC Davis MIND Institute, was interviewed for PBS by Robert MacNeil.
He was asked if vaccines can cause autism and he said this:
I think it's pretty clear that, in general, vaccines are not the culprit. There has been enough epidemiological evidence showing that if you look at children that receive the standard childhood vaccines that, if anything, those children are at slightly less risk of having autism than children that aren't immunized.
And so, you know, I think it probably is a waste of effort at this time to try and understand vaccines as a major culprit for, or a major cause of, autism. It's not to say, however, that there isn't a small subset of children who may be particularly vulnerable to vaccines.
And in their case, having the vaccines, or particular vaccines, particularly in certain kinds of situations -- if the child was ill, if the child had a precondition, like a mitochondrial defect. Vaccinations for those children actually may be the environmental factor that tipped them over the edge of autism. And I think it is incredibly important, still, to try and figure out what, if any, vulnerabilities, in a small subset of children, might make them at risk for having certain vaccinations."
Its shocking to listen to well-credentialed experts deny any link at the same time they also casually talk about the possibility vaccines are a factors in autism. That was never supposed to happen. Dawsons very small minority of individuals," Zahorondnys some small number of children, and Amarals small subset of children might include my child. And how big is small? And where is the proof that the vulnerable group of children is small? There isnt a single study that has looked at the children who regressed into autism following routine vaccinations.
And so, you know, I think it probably is a waste of effort at this time to try and understand vaccines as a major culprit for, or a major cause of, autism. It's not to say, however, that there isn't a small subset of children who may be particularly vulnerable to vaccines.
And in their case, having the vaccines, or particular vaccines, particularly in certain kinds of situations -- if the child was ill, if the child had a precondition, like a mitochondrial defect. Vaccinations for those children actually may be the environmental factor that tipped them over the edge of autism. And I think it is incredibly important, still, to try and figure out what, if any, vulnerabilities, in a small subset of children, might make them at risk for having certain vaccinations."
It was the late Dr. Bernadine Healy, former head of the National Institutes of Health, who was on CBS News in 2008 calling for such a study. She said,
This is the time when we do have the opportunity to understand whether or not there are susceptible children
that makes them more susceptible to vaccines plural, to one particular vaccine, or to components of a vaccine, like mercury.
We have to take another look at that hypothesis, not deny it
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CBS reporter, Sharyl Attkisson: Do you think the government was too quick to dismiss out of hand that there was this possibility of a link between vaccines and autism?
Healy: I think the government or certain health officials in the government have been too quick to dismiss the concerns of these families without studying the population that got sick. I havent seen major studies that focus on 300 kids who got autistic symptoms within a period of a few weeks of a vaccine. I think that public health officials have been too quick to dismiss the hypothesis as irrational without sufficient studies of causation.
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The Independent: Italian court rules MMR vaccine did trigger autism [View all]
Ghost of Huey Long
Jun 2012
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Rebuttal in reverse chronology to the stupendously oversimplistic platitudes on that locked thread.
proverbialwisdom
Jun 2012
#1
Actually CNN, CBS, NPR in Boston, WNYC, and PBS are the sources for interviews with -
proverbialwisdom
Jun 2012
#3
I urge you to please spend some time reading this 2012 HARVARD HEALTH PUBLICATION.
proverbialwisdom
Jun 2012
#15
Watch CNN'S interview with former CDC Chief Julie Gerberding on March 31, 2008 (post #1) .
proverbialwisdom
Jun 2012
#74
I think the transcript is sufficient, but for a copy of the video, instructions follow.
proverbialwisdom
Jun 2012
#76
The original paper alleging a link between vaccines and autism is a proven fraud
cpwm17
Jun 2012
#21
False. This is in the weeds for me, but if you are seriously interested, examine these with care.
proverbialwisdom
Jul 2012
#129
Truthfully, posts #6 and #8 are in the weeds for me, but not for the AoA contributors, the majority
proverbialwisdom
Jun 2012
#9
Truthfully, this subject makes me unspeakably sad and I will be stepping away for awhile. (eom)
proverbialwisdom
Jun 2012
#63
Post #3 describes the news aggregating function by AoA from mainstream sources.
proverbialwisdom
Jun 2012
#71
You mention Japan: their vaccines have NEVER contained mercury compounds
Lydia Leftcoast
Jun 2012
#20
Changing diagnoses can only explain about half of the increased prevalence.
lumberjack_jeff
Jun 2012
#32
I have to wonder if it's something that corporations make a lot of money off of
Lydia Leftcoast
Jun 2012
#128
why did you alert on a news story from the Independent, that was a fast reaction too
Ghost of Huey Long
Jun 2012
#17
Amen! I had measles and chicken pox in the same year, and the secondary infections
Lydia Leftcoast
Jun 2012
#18
Because Vaccines have been useful in the past, we are all to now blindly believe Big Pharma
Ghost of Huey Long
Jun 2012
#22
Maybe there is something else in it causing the problem. How can we fix it if we live in denial?
Ghost of Huey Long
Jun 2012
#26
just keep all your anti-vac friends away from my newborn granddaughter. n/t
progressivebydesign
Jun 2012
#37
That's interesting, but remember, the Japanese as a nation eat a lot of fish...
1monster
Jun 2012
#39
Who has an interest in lying? Big Pharma or parents of children who have been harmed?
Ghost of Huey Long
Jun 2012
#25
There are ingredients in vaccines causing autism, denail is a republican tactic
Ghost of Huey Long
Jun 2012
#34
What precisely is preventing you from becoming infected with/by various diseases?
LanternWaste
Jun 2012
#66
Just because somebody says they are left of center or a liberal doesn't mean they are smart..
snooper2
Jun 2012
#48
I blame groupthink on a massive brainwashing effort by the corporate media manufacturing consent
Ghost of Huey Long
Jun 2012
#70
It is true that without vaccines there would be fewer children with autism.
4th law of robotics
Jun 2012
#73
why are the rates rising so fast? Have the pro toxic vaccines people been to a public school lately?
Ghost of Huey Long
Jun 2012
#85
Many parents *think* they've witnessed the beginnings immediately after receiving vaccines.
Posteritatis
Jun 2012
#86
Rise in Autism proven by statistics. The rebuttle 'they didn't diagnose it' is a joke
Ghost of Huey Long
Jun 2012
#96
With the millions of kids getting vaccinated every year some will be diagnosed with autism
cpwm17
Jun 2012
#99
I'm sure there were people who got vaccinated, stepped outside the doctors office
4th law of robotics
Jun 2012
#104
If we demand that the anti-evolutionists use reasoned, scientific thought processes to refute...
randome
Jun 2012
#89
I demand a scientific explanation for the rise in Autism- 'didn't diagnose it' is not scientific
Ghost of Huey Long
Jun 2012
#97
Global warming is on the rise. Obesity is on the rise. The price of grape jelly is on the rise.
randome
Jun 2012
#101
you might be on to something- Study Finds High-Fructose Corn Syrup Contains Mercury
Ghost of Huey Long
Jun 2012
#124
Can you acknowledge the fact that it was not defined as a disorder
4th law of robotics
Jun 2012
#106
This is the same country charging seismologists with manslaughter for not predicting an earthquake
NickB79
Jun 2012
#109