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Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
52. Happened to me, too.
Fri Feb 3, 2017, 01:52 PM
Feb 2017

The philosophy is underestimated as being simple - but it's not. It was daunting at first, but it will make sense as you keep reading.

15 years later, I'm still learning new things, and still comparing and contrasting the different currents. But keep in mind, it's the overall philosophy that is important - some people tend to get very stuck in the details and forget the overall goal.

And the fact is, none of us know how it will work - we just have to try, and learn by our mistakes.

Anarchist societies have existed before - one of the most famous was the Paris and Lyon Communes. Workers took over the workplaces and collectively organized their production and distributed the products of their labor.

This impressed both Pierre-Joseph Proudhon and Karl Marx. The two had been feuding about how a workers' revolution would play out - Marx was intent on having a Vanguard Party lead the masses, and using the state to foment revolution (something anathema to anarchists). Marx even purged Proudhon's disciple, Mikhail Bakunin and his followers, from the International Workingmen's Association (known as the First International) for the latter's insistence on an organic, workers led revolution from below. After seeing the success of the Paris and Lyon Communes, Marx started to rethink his ideas on revolution (took a more anarchist stance). Bakunin turned out to prescient, because around 50 years later, the Bolsheviks proved that utilizing the state, and forcing already organized workers to follow a Party Vanguard, was disastrous - and ruined the revolution almost as soon as it started.

Just a bit of contextual history between the different traditions of socialism (state socialism vs. anarchism). When Marx had his epiphany, that was way later in life, after his theory had been accepted by a vast majority of socialists. However, there are "autonomist Marxist" that recognize this and incorporate this into their philosophy - Autonomist Marxists, such as Rosa Luxembourg, were more concerned with direct action, organic labor organization, actions on the ground, and were not focused on political or party organization, and were averse to the tendencies for traditional Marxists to centralize authority. In this way, Autonomist Marxists were much more aligned with anarchists than they were with their traditional Marxists comrades. The social organization and direct action were the focus, as is with anarchists. Basically the same thing, but they call themselves different names.

Anyway, I have a tendency to write too much. I love this stuff and am interested in learning and teaching. So, hopefully, you will enjoy it, too. Don't let it become daunting.

Happy reading!

k/r n/t phylny Jan 2017 #1
What a great way to describe Trump. Rex Jan 2017 #2
This is poetic. I don't use that term lightly. LisaM Jan 2017 #3
I agree completely. smirkymonkey Jan 2017 #9
Bingo. LisaM Jan 2017 #11
That is not true about the fringe left. Fantastic Anarchist Jan 2017 #14
Maybe there's a better way to refer to it, then. LisaM Jan 2017 #16
And I wouldn't call those societies "left" at all. Fantastic Anarchist Jan 2017 #25
Also well stated. BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2017 #33
Wow, thank you! Fantastic Anarchist Jan 2017 #34
Omg, get out of here! Shut UP! :D BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2017 #35
Yes - the Bolshevik Myth by Alexander Berkman! Fantastic Anarchist Jan 2017 #40
I can't wait to dig into all of your references and comments erronis Jan 2017 #42
I'm really glad to hear that you're interested! Fantastic Anarchist Jan 2017 #43
Have you read any of the links, and if so, any thoughts? nt Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2017 #48
Thanks!!! Oh boy, lots of good reading there! BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2017 #45
I'm a notoriously slow reader ... Fantastic Anarchist Jan 2017 #47
Have you read any of the links, and if so, any thoughts? nt Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2017 #49
I only very just started--went with the overview you suggested I read first. BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2017 #50
Happened to me, too. Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2017 #52
Well stated. Paka Jan 2017 #24
Thank you! Fantastic Anarchist Jan 2017 #26
Powerful... dhill926 Jan 2017 #4
My thoughts exactly. Barack_America Jan 2017 #13
And he will never be happy PatSeg Jan 2017 #5
Great summation They_Live Jan 2017 #21
This is true PatSeg Jan 2017 #29
I noticed that too... llmart Jan 2017 #39
Being born to great wealth makes the perks of wealth seem ho hum. Dustlawyer Jan 2017 #22
That is a good point PatSeg Jan 2017 #30
Best analysis of Trump I've yet read. tavernier Jan 2017 #6
I get the point of the article lunatica Jan 2017 #7
Trump is mentally ill. He's a narcissist and maybe a psychopath. He does not manicraven Jan 2017 #8
Funny, manicraven, that you mention this. MontanaMama Jan 2017 #17
Oh, I thought you were talking about the tubby tyrant of NORK erronis Jan 2017 #44
King Midas in Reverse no_hypocrisy Jan 2017 #10
You should send that to the White House. n/t Mr. Evil Jan 2017 #12
Yes! He should send this to the White House. MontanaMama Jan 2017 #18
K&R nt ProudProgressiveNow Jan 2017 #15
I don't share his nostalgic view of Reagan Skittles Jan 2017 #19
He knows, deep down... Wounded Bear Jan 2017 #20
There is an ugliness to his face that goes beyond PoindexterOglethorpe Jan 2017 #23
Right on. Happiness is interconnectedness. Not wealth. I was proudest supporting applegrove Jan 2017 #27
I think that the problem is not so much that he was born to wealth... potone Jan 2017 #28
Well said. Fichefinder Jan 2017 #31
DT and his kind have an awful idea of what makes a successful man. Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2017 #32
Trump's face says it all HelenWheels Jan 2017 #36
Yes. He looks miserable. MontanaMama Jan 2017 #37
ANHEDONIA, my new favorite descriptive of the dae Jan 2017 #38
Trump never laughs. We've never heard it. No Vested Interest Jan 2017 #41
Twitler's religion is the prosperity gospel bhikkhu Jan 2017 #46
Yikes. Somehow I neglected to kick and rec this before! I love this. This should be Squinch Feb 2017 #51
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