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NewJeffCT

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75. The most important thing for Democrats to do is to pick a candidate with charisma

Tue Feb 7, 2017, 09:58 AM

Feb 2017

The more charismatic candidate wins every time in the modern era.

It doesn't matter that Carter and Mondale were smarter than Reagan and also very competent people, they lost to the most charismatic Republican since Teddy Roosevelt.

In 1988, neither candidate was charismatic, but Dukakis was epically uncharismatic.

In 1992 and 96, the Democrats ran the extremely charismatic Bill Clinton and won handily both times.

In 2000 and 2004, the faux "down home charm" of George W Bush defeated the "elite" and "aloof" intellectuals Al Gore and John Kerry.

In 2008 and 2012, The charismatic Barack Obama beat experienced, but surly John McCain and then aloof elitist Mitt Romney.

In 2016, Hillary Clinton was smart and supremely qualified, but not nearly as charismatic as her husband, and lost to charismatic snake oil salesman and media coverage magnet Trump.

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Is America ready for a female/female ticket in 2020? [View all] nkpolitics1212 Feb 2017 OP

I don't think an all female ticket will happen in my lifetime crazycatlady Feb 2017 #1

I forgot to include Amy Klobuchar (MN) on the list. nkpolitics1212 Feb 2017 #6

It should've happened last year Bucky Feb 2017 #86

Yes, same with Bernie... but, Hillary was not going to pick a true progressive (end of story). InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2017 #107

You're joking, right? Jamaal510 Feb 2017 #133

Yes, you're right... both Hillary and Kaine the true progressives... what was I thinkin? InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2017 #138

After four years of Trump, the time would be ripe Blue_true Feb 2017 #104

Nope! Absolutely not. Phoenix61 Feb 2017 #2

Not likely. TheCowsCameHome Feb 2017 #3

Yes, but they need to be more progressive HoneyBadger Feb 2017 #4

I don't think so MrPurple Feb 2017 #5

Is that Midwestern guy Brown-OH? nkpolitics1212 Feb 2017 #9

Why would Kasich being governor preclude Brown from being a candidate? MrPurple Feb 2017 #20

The governor of OH picks Brown's replacement if he wins re-election in 2018 and runs for President nkpolitics1212 Feb 2017 #23

that's not an eliminator if he's the right man for the job Bucky Feb 2017 #67

Kasich will have to leave the OH Governorship in 2018/2019 due to term limits. nkpolitics1212 Feb 2017 #68

Kucinich works for Fox News now crazycatlady Feb 2017 #134

Sen Brown is the only statewide Dem in Ohio (except for a state supreme ct justice I am blanking on) irisblue Feb 2017 #36

What do you think of this idea? nkpolitics1212 Feb 2017 #57

No Warren? rurallib Feb 2017 #7

I would like to include Warren but the problem with her is her age,and the fact she is from MA a nkpolitics1212 Feb 2017 #8

Her age in 2020 works against her. Democrats need to Blue_true Feb 2017 #106

I wanted a Clinton/Warren ticket in '16. Maru Kitteh Feb 2017 #10

Warren is too old to be VP. nkpolitics1212 Feb 2017 #11

If Warren is too old to be VP PoindexterOglethorpe Feb 2017 #37

Would be ideal, but, you have to consider Bernie for 2020, who's young at heart and doesn't look a day over 60. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2017 #108

If we spend the next 12 or 16 years with Presidents PoindexterOglethorpe Feb 2017 #115

Booker/Gillibrand 2020. nt bathroommonkey76 Feb 2017 #12

Booker(NJ) has said NO to a presidential run in 2020 nkpolitics1212 Feb 2017 #14

The exact quote bathroommonkey76 Feb 2017 #15

Booker would seem to be the most likely candidate, right now MrPurple Feb 2017 #22

I looked into the money Booker has taken NewJeffCT Feb 2017 #72

Good, I like him MrPurple Feb 2017 #111

The legislative process NewJeffCT Feb 2017 #137

Given that Johnson and Johnson is in NJ, you would expect more contributions than that grantcart Feb 2017 #130

Zero chance. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2017 #140

The GOP has to have a female candidate also. It is the only way CK_John Feb 2017 #13

We should not worry about Republican selecting a female candidate for President or Vice President. nkpolitics1212 Feb 2017 #21

Flaw In Your Premise ProfessorGAC Feb 2017 #78

So if Gillibrand passes on 2018, Kennedy takes her spot? HoneyBadger Feb 2017 #34

I support the idea of Caroline Kennedy replacing Gillibrand as US Senator from NY. nkpolitics1212 Feb 2017 #44

They said that about a black candidate, too NewJeffCT Feb 2017 #77

You fail to provide support for your statement. It does not necessarily follow. LanternWaste Feb 2017 #93

The most likely time for the glass ceiling to be broken Blue_true Feb 2017 #109

Nebraska ran two females for governor California_Republic Feb 2017 #16

Sure RoadhogRidesAgain Feb 2017 #17

+1 truebluegreen Feb 2017 #64

How about any of these tickets? jmowreader Feb 2017 #18

This post is whether America is ready for a double female ticket in nkpolitics1212 Feb 2017 #25

Maybe we should win the electoral college with one woman on the ticket first? jmowreader Feb 2017 #32

I support your idea. nkpolitics1212 Feb 2017 #43

I have my hopes on Tammy Duckworth to be the first woman, but it won't be 2020. Squinch Feb 2017 #29

For me, it's not about gender or race or age. Equinox Moon Feb 2017 #19

Can't we just find a charismatic young guy from middle America? NightWatcher Feb 2017 #24

The charismatic young guy from middle America Feingold-WI or Ryan-OH nkpolitics1212 Feb 2017 #26

Feingold is 63 NewJeffCT Feb 2017 #73

We need to stop overthinking these things and listening to the conventional wisdom. Warren DeMontague Feb 2017 #51

What do you think of a Klobuchar/Ellison ticket-Minnesota ticket? nkpolitics1212 Feb 2017 #58

Like I said, I think the secret sauce is inspirational leadership. That, and a willingness to take Warren DeMontague Feb 2017 #63

I second that motion. nkpolitics1212 Feb 2017 #65

The president and VP can't be from the same state crazycatlady Feb 2017 #70

This x 1000. bullwinkle428 Feb 2017 #74

Trump should be toxic in 2020. Perfect time to run a strong Blue_true Feb 2017 #112

Warren, but imo elleng Feb 2017 #27

Nope. America would like to think it is, and maybe even really believes it is, but Squinch Feb 2017 #28

A double female ticket on the Democratic side would force Conservative Democratic men from the South nkpolitics1212 Feb 2017 #31

Republicans vote for Republicans Sen. Walter Sobchak Feb 2017 #33

What could Democrats do to convince the Olympia Snowes or the Christine Todd Whitmans to come nkpolitics1212 Feb 2017 #47

The soft centrist Republicans vote Republican due to the anti abortion issue or the tax cut issue? nkpolitics1212 Feb 2017 #60

the one time centrist Republicans have been Democrats for a very long time Sen. Walter Sobchak Feb 2017 #97

You want to depend on truebluegreen Feb 2017 #66

I do know a few women who might be described that way Sen. Walter Sobchak Feb 2017 #98

I agree. truebluegreen Feb 2017 #120

The primary voters will eat Gillibrand alive Sen. Walter Sobchak Feb 2017 #30

isn't that her only skeleton? La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2017 #110

She worked for Davis Polk, probably not. Sen. Walter Sobchak Feb 2017 #117

Repeating the same shit that was done to Clinton, I see. Blue_true Feb 2017 #113

I work in that world, you don't have to convince me. Sen. Walter Sobchak Feb 2017 #116

How about an all California ticket. Warren DeMontague Feb 2017 #35

That ticket would play beautifully on the coasts but not so much in the middle Jake Stern Feb 2017 #38

Maybe. Warren DeMontague Feb 2017 #39

I agree completely Jake Stern Feb 2017 #88

I think we're getting there. Warren DeMontague Feb 2017 #91

One of the many reasons I love living in Colorado Jake Stern Feb 2017 #94

the wealthy out of touch liberal thing is just an attack by bigots . their support for Trump JI7 Feb 2017 #40

Indeed but the image is one of "He's rich enough to be liberal. He don't care about losing his job" Jake Stern Feb 2017 #89

A ticket that has two individuals from the same state is not allowed. nkpolitics1212 Feb 2017 #46

Not entirely true, although it could pose a problem. Warren DeMontague Feb 2017 #49

What about a ticket that has a Californian and a Southwesterner nkpolitics1212 Feb 2017 #52

This post is kind of a synopsis of my thoughts, here, not to dis the premise of your thread: Warren DeMontague Feb 2017 #54

So long as the best candidate wins our nomination, it shouldn't matter Motown_Johnny Feb 2017 #41

2016 Hillary should have picked Klobuchar-MN as her VP runningmate. nkpolitics1212 Feb 2017 #45

I like Harris but I think Newsom would be a better choice. Warren DeMontague Feb 2017 #50

Newsom has a zipper problem Sen. Walter Sobchak Feb 2017 #99

Maybe. But that's old news. Warren DeMontague Feb 2017 #125

Klobuchar kicks ass Orrex Feb 2017 #71

We can dream... pat_k Feb 2017 #42

Sure. I don't think two women on the ticket is a barrier at all. aikoaiko Feb 2017 #48

NOT if they only play a woman card. pansypoo53219 Feb 2017 #53

We should nominate a female prosecutor-Klobuchar-MN and a female veteran-Gabbard-HI nkpolitics1212 Feb 2017 #55

2018 mahina Feb 2017 #56

2018 Democrats have to play defense in the US Senate. nkpolitics1212 Feb 2017 #59

2017 NewJeffCT Feb 2017 #76

WHICH America? DFW Feb 2017 #61

What if we nominate a female candidate from the Midwest-Klobuchar-MN for President? nkpolitics1212 Feb 2017 #62

Cortez-Masto is too new, but Amy Klobuchar would be a viable choice. Forget Gabby DFW Feb 2017 #83

I am ready for a non establishment hack ticket regardless of gender. nt m-lekktor Feb 2017 #69

Artful Smear nt. otohara Feb 2017 #118

The most important thing for Democrats to do is to pick a candidate with charisma NewJeffCT Feb 2017 #75

YEP! Cosmocat Feb 2017 #80

You ain't wrong. Iggo Feb 2017 #92

Which Democrats out there NewJeffCT Feb 2017 #95

I don't know, but they should be jumping up right the fuck now. Iggo Feb 2017 #96

Booker/Franken 2020 MrPurple Feb 2017 #122

+ 100 ... n/t obnoxiousdrunk Feb 2017 #114

Hillary Is Charming otohara Feb 2017 #119

Charming isn't the same NewJeffCT Feb 2017 #121

Have You Noticed Charismatic Typical Male Term otohara Feb 2017 #129

I'd call Sarah Palin charismatic crazycatlady Feb 2017 #136

Absolutely PRETZEL Feb 2017 #79

I'm a guy NewJeffCT Feb 2017 #81

Senator Warren would have been a good choice PRETZEL Feb 2017 #82

Kaine seems to be a great guy NewJeffCT Feb 2017 #84

Don't disagree at all nt PRETZEL Feb 2017 #87

make it Oprah and Michelle, and I'm there, dude n/t librechik Feb 2017 #85

I believe they just proved they are not ready. But so fucking what? Iggo Feb 2017 #90

The best positioned Democrats are women. Blue_true Feb 2017 #100

As much as I wish it was get the red out Feb 2017 #101

No, I don't think so, and I am a woman. Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #102

No. America is now set to implode as planned...once the for profits have taken everything of use... Freethinker65 Feb 2017 #103

Will America have elections in 2020? Initech Feb 2017 #105

and if so, will so many registrations have been purged, machines hacked that it's pointless? MrPurple Feb 2017 #123

And you just know they'd love to purge the opposition from getting the chance to vote. Initech Feb 2017 #124

That's entirely what Trump's "investigation" into voter fraud is about MrPurple Feb 2017 #126

And it's an empty investigation at that. Initech Feb 2017 #127

They'll find that millions of dead people & people who've moved to new addresses still registered MrPurple Feb 2017 #128

Gillibrand is better than she was, but she isn't outspoken or a great speaker adigal Feb 2017 #131

Unfortunately no. kstewart33 Feb 2017 #132

That doesn't pass the common sense test for demographics... Baconator Feb 2017 #135

Newsom/Castro 2020 sarcasmo Feb 2017 #139

Yes... The last female wan popular by 3million was cheated out of win uponit7771 Feb 2017 #141