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100. I too pretend that any disagreement with my own premise results from ignorance

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 04:30 PM

Feb 2017

I too pretend that any disagreement with my own premise results from ignorance on the part of others. It allows to feel more clever about ourselves. It's short, really. In our hearts.

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How A President Leaves Office - The Only Possibilities [View all] MineralMan Feb 2017 OP

A new election would require a constitutional amendment. hrmjustin Feb 2017 #1

Exactly. I covered that one, too. MineralMan Feb 2017 #2

It's not impossible for a Consitutional Amendment, just highly unlikely NoGoodNamesLeft Feb 2017 #28

Whenever a Constitutional change in the Election process has occurred... brooklynite Feb 2017 #54

Exactly. That's also in the Constitution. MineralMan Feb 2017 #62

Not sure Bill of Attainder provision applies to amendments. rgbecker Feb 2017 #75

You could be right. I'm not sure on that one. MineralMan Feb 2017 #77

"it would be unlikely to write an amendment that removed a current President" NYC Liberal Feb 2017 #167

Then it has to be ratified by the states simguy225 Feb 2017 #148

Good post, some folks around here think the Constitution has a "do over" provision. FSogol Feb 2017 #3

Some people appear to have never read the Constitution. MineralMan Feb 2017 #6

I am often surprised at how much people, including DUers, *don't* know The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2017 #13

Yes, and DU is home to people who should know better. MineralMan Feb 2017 #21

Thank you! Yes! Amaryllis Feb 2017 #68

I too pretend that any disagreement with my own premise results from ignorance LanternWaste Feb 2017 #100

Bully for you, as my granny used to say. Imputing ignorance to people posting unworkable ideas.... Hekate Feb 2017 #141

Ignorance is lack of knowledge simguy225 Feb 2017 #150

True get the red out Feb 2017 #4

In all fairness, just because something hasn't marybourg Feb 2017 #5

So, which one do you think could happen. MineralMan Feb 2017 #8

It's not that I have anything particular in mind, marybourg Feb 2017 #26

If the military of the USA attempts a coup Progressive dog Feb 2017 #131

Unless, of course, we cease to be a nation of laws first regnaD kciN Feb 2017 #143

There is no provision in the Constitution Progressive dog Feb 2017 #146

We fix this by civilian means. A military coup d'etat is the end of the republic. Hekate Feb 2017 #142

We are really close to having no government... pbmus Feb 2017 #116

What is the purpose of the Logan Act? druidity33 Feb 2017 #164

congress might okay it if they thought the republicans would get a second chance demigoddess Feb 2017 #139

History? Replete with "firsts"??? Petrushka Feb 2017 #145

You forgot to mention alien abduction, The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2017 #7

Well, in the absence of the President, The VP MineralMan Feb 2017 #9

It's me, too. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2017 #15

Yuge probing. The best probing. simguy225 Feb 2017 #155

Lmfao. Thank you for giving me my first genuine "belly laugh" in days. This was hilarious! anneboleyn Feb 2017 #48

Good points exboyfil Feb 2017 #10

The country made its bed and now we will be paying for the consequences of that for decades to come still_one Feb 2017 #11

Sadly I agree workinclasszero Feb 2017 #52

Yep Cosmocat Feb 2017 #122

Yep Cosmocat Feb 2017 #121

...but... but... what about the Mulligan Provision? Raster Feb 2017 #12

Which article is that in the Constitution, I wonder? MineralMan Feb 2017 #20

I think it's been nullified by the Peter Principle LastLiberal in PalmSprings Feb 2017 #93

I'm betting on alien abduction Orrex Feb 2017 #14

Nuclear War is more important the our Constitution Johnny2X2X Feb 2017 #16

Nonsense. We have impeachment as a Constitutional process. MineralMan Feb 2017 #19

The intelligence community is leaking info to the public to force Republicans to act NoGoodNamesLeft Feb 2017 #31

That may well be true. MineralMan Feb 2017 #33

My money is on resignation... Blanks Feb 2017 #120

What if it is determined that Trump committed felonies? Would this fall under the 25th amendment anneboleyn Feb 2017 #59

No. The Congress could impeach and remove him for that. MineralMan Feb 2017 #63

So they would have to vote to impeach following an investigation if Trump is found guilty anneboleyn Feb 2017 #90

Uh, Trump couldn't be found guilty in state court, because no trial would MineralMan Feb 2017 #92

I think they may kill him. HassleCat Feb 2017 #17

I covered that in #3 in the first list. MineralMan Feb 2017 #18

I saw that, but I had to add a little spy vs. spy intrigue. HassleCat Feb 2017 #22

I remember losing a President to an assassination. MineralMan Feb 2017 #23

I remember that, too. murielm99 Feb 2017 #113

I agree - It would make him a martyr exboyfil Feb 2017 #156

The Martyrdom of the Mad King is the very last thing I want to see Hekate Feb 2017 #161

And the truly sobering thing BlueMTexpat Feb 2017 #24

Once we regain the House in 2018, and impeach BOTH rump* and dence*... Raster Feb 2017 #25

You skipped a step: 2/3 Senate vote to convict onenote Feb 2017 #88

Yes, all that's true. We had an opportunity to prevent that result. MineralMan Feb 2017 #27

Good luck in herding cats. /nt BigBearJohn Feb 2017 #35

These!!! BlueMTexpat Feb 2017 #170

What about MacKasey Feb 2017 #29

Who do you think would appoint Hillary as VP? MineralMan Feb 2017 #34

Also, the President's nominee to be the new VP has to be confirmed by Congress. Jim Lane Feb 2017 #111

I would never assume the Rapture. MineralMan Feb 2017 #112

Right........Because Trump would appoint Hillary to be his VP in this lifetime. WillowTree Feb 2017 #49

What a lovely dream! BlueMTexpat Feb 2017 #169

Thanks. Turbineguy Feb 2017 #30

He could also leave office hurple Feb 2017 #32

Does suicide fall under 'dies?' leftstreet Feb 2017 #36

The manner of death is irrelevant. MineralMan Feb 2017 #40

It was a joke. You have no sense of humor? n/t leftstreet Feb 2017 #42

Not regarding the death of Presidents, no. MineralMan Feb 2017 #51

there is no magical unicorn to save us. we had the opportunity to save ourselves La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2017 #37

Yes, indeed. We are hoist on our own petard with this. MineralMan Feb 2017 #41

disagree about rage being unhealthy. there are things worth being enraged about. La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2017 #45

Rage would be unhealthy for me. MineralMan Feb 2017 #47

fair. La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2017 #50

I'm with you butdiduvote Feb 2017 #57

I've had my own share of rage, at BushCheney. This time I'm just gobsmacked, but still determined Hekate Feb 2017 #160

We did not blow it. look up INterstate Crosscheck and the number of voters illegally removed from Amaryllis Feb 2017 #79

Oh, dear. MineralMan Feb 2017 #82

Righteous directed rage may be unhealthy personally for some ismnotwasm Feb 2017 #102

Or he could choke on some cheetos. Oh the irony. BigBearJohn Feb 2017 #38

So . . . Richard D Feb 2017 #39

If that were the case, the constitutional remedy begins with the 2018 election. MineralMan Feb 2017 #44

Or we could storm the castle Generic Brad Feb 2017 #43

Yeah, but only metaphorically. MineralMan Feb 2017 #46

and also rejected by the secret service. which would be the immediate problem. La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2017 #53

Oh for heaven's sake leftstreet Feb 2017 #56

No, not young at all. I've lived 71 years. MineralMan Feb 2017 #64

maybe Marks v. Stinson is why trump was in such a hurry to install gorsuch?? diva77 Feb 2017 #55

#4 - incapacitated, happened a long time before the election Eliot Rosewater Feb 2017 #58

There is a process which must be followed. MineralMan Feb 2017 #61

I was only commenting on his mental state today, last month, a year ago, Eliot Rosewater Feb 2017 #144

Lol @ #5 Takket Feb 2017 #60

Well, some people believe such things, so I included that. MineralMan Feb 2017 #65

Thank you for posting this. n/t shrike Feb 2017 #66

I think 45 will leave via resignation. hamsterjill Feb 2017 #67

Since 2020 is a census year, it is crucial that we take elections at ALL levels, tblue37 Feb 2017 #166

Great point! hamsterjill Feb 2017 #168

RE *4: Presidnet becomes incapacitated- also includes if he is cerrtified impaired, however... Amaryllis Feb 2017 #69

Yes. That's the same process. MineralMan Feb 2017 #71

Won't work unless a lot more republicans get on board. Good luck with that. Amaryllis Feb 2017 #81

Well, see, we all need to be working on that. MineralMan Feb 2017 #83

Agreed. There is nothing that can be done but too be a road block for the GOP on ever issue Liberal In Red State Feb 2017 #70

Actually, we could take over the House and Senate in 2018. MineralMan Feb 2017 #74

That still wouldn't get a conviction in the Senate, though. WillowTree Feb 2017 #105

That's quite true. MineralMan Feb 2017 #107

Either House or Senate will at least exboyfil Feb 2017 #158

More precisely, start in 2017 Jim Lane Feb 2017 #118

Well, that's true, too. MineralMan Feb 2017 #119

Ain't gonna happen in the Senate. Sorry. Kills me to admit, but true. TygrBright Feb 2017 #134

Please correct me if I'm wrong Hula Popper Feb 2017 #72

1. The President Resigns - That possibility is always open. Few have made that choice. Nixon did. mobeau69 Feb 2017 #73

You are correct. MineralMan Feb 2017 #76

I'd take it but I'm really kinda hoping for a nervous breakdown in mobeau69 Feb 2017 #80

#45 eats a lot of fats and simple carbs. I think that plus the NCjack Feb 2017 #78

Gerald Ford - was not in the line of succession when appointed Vice President, and subsequently No Vested Interest Feb 2017 #84

Republicans Scarsdale Feb 2017 #85

Well, traditionally that has been true. MineralMan Feb 2017 #87

My preferred method is #1 vlyons Feb 2017 #86

I think that's a good possibility with Trump, really. MineralMan Feb 2017 #91

Small correction re Watergate history Jim Lane Feb 2017 #126

Drowned in leaks isn't included. SleeplessinSoCal Feb 2017 #89

Didn't that already happen VWolf Feb 2017 #97

Nope. He's up to his knees in leaks. SleeplessinSoCal Feb 2017 #133

deluge on the way. SleeplessinSoCal Feb 2017 #136

Thank you ismnotwasm Feb 2017 #94

My pleasure. MineralMan Feb 2017 #96

A few "amendments" of my own, if I may DFW Feb 2017 #95

as to your last point, the 25th amendment addresses it in section 4 onenote Feb 2017 #98

Ture enough. DFW Feb 2017 #101

That last one is very unlikely, of course. MineralMan Feb 2017 #99

I would even venture to say: DFW Feb 2017 #108

Maybe this should be pinned to the top of the GD page. lpbk2713 Feb 2017 #103

There is no legal/constitutional way to undo the election of trump Gothmog Feb 2017 #104

Technically untrue but forjusticethunders Feb 2017 #128

Impeachment Date TrumpMania Feb 2017 #106

Pence? He's a total ass. But, he's not nuts. MineralMan Feb 2017 #109

You think Millenialist Xtianity is something other than "Dangerous bugfuck nuttery?" n/t TygrBright Feb 2017 #125

You forgot one Yavin4 Feb 2017 #110

No, that's the last one. The President's Term Ends. MineralMan Feb 2017 #115

Yeah, you did get that one. Yavin4 Feb 2017 #140

I say he resigns. Lifelong Protester Feb 2017 #114

I suspect that's the most likely one for Trump. MineralMan Feb 2017 #117

This is NOT what he signed up for. Lifelong Protester Feb 2017 #165

The President Becomes Incapacitated Bayard Feb 2017 #123

Thank you. n/t TygrBright Feb 2017 #124

Stop peeing in our Wheaties MM! progressoid Feb 2017 #127

Also important to consider: Long, LONG line of succession before we get to anyone sane/competent. TygrBright Feb 2017 #129

Don't forget 2018. MineralMan Feb 2017 #130

Not forgetting it, but see my response above, re: Senate. TygrBright Feb 2017 #135

Here's another possible scenario (Idle Curiosity Department) Jim Lane Feb 2017 #132

Thanks, MM. I'm getting real tired of the fantasizing that goes on. The part that disturbs me most Hekate Feb 2017 #137

I think the "election do-over' stuff is from folks who think they can somehow still get Hillary. Warren DeMontague Feb 2017 #153

1 or 2 is fine by me Kimchijeon Feb 2017 #138

One question. If another country has an arrest warrant for tRump and madinmaryland Feb 2017 #147

What if Trump resigns and Pence is impeached many a good man Feb 2017 #149

You left out #7 - Earth is hit with a giant asteroid or Godzilla kills us all Warren DeMontague Feb 2017 #151

At best we will have President Ryan. But I vote for a Constitutional Amendment. Tatiana Feb 2017 #152

What if the President is totally insane and a danger R B Garr Feb 2017 #154

A cash buyout KT2000 Feb 2017 #157

What if the President was charged with a "high crime" in federal court Mr. Ected Feb 2017 #159

The Constitution is incomplete, IMO. We are in an unprecedented situation, ecstatic Feb 2017 #162

let's revisit this conversation once missiles start flying. uncle ray Feb 2017 #163