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MineralMan

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27. But, see, there's the awkward fact that National Guard units are

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 03:04 PM

Feb 2017

under the control of their state's governor, unless the federal government calls them up. Within their states, they are subject to a different set of laws, actually. That complicates things. Governors can call up the state guard units for all sorts of reasons, and do from time to time. That can even include some law enforcement duties.

It looks to me like that document is suggesting that Governors assign guard personnel to border enforcement. That just might be legal, depending on state laws. It's complicated.

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Full, 11-page draft DHS memo outlining using National Guard for immigrant roundup [View all] bigtree Feb 2017 OP

Download this thing before it disappears! 2naSalit Feb 2017 #1

Done Angry Dragon Feb 2017 #51

Everyone receiving it is listed as Acting exboyfil Feb 2017 #2

Nothing to see here citizen...move on workinclasszero Feb 2017 #3

and now republicans are lying about this, saying it's unreal Achilleaze Feb 2017 #4

this is a test MyMission Feb 2017 #5

welcome to du, and thanks for being part of the fight!! niyad Feb 2017 #38

They may just be throwing out chum. Who knows? If this is NOT from DHS/Kelly KittyWampus Feb 2017 #6

I have to agree with what your saying. N/t Victor_c3 Feb 2017 #45

» bigtree Feb 2017 #7

Marking so I can find later... TheDebbieDee Feb 2017 #8

Lying liars. SHRED Feb 2017 #9

Attached is the relevant section.... mikelewis Feb 2017 #10

I don't believe this is real. they are stirring up shit. Dream Girl Feb 2017 #11

It is real as a heart attack orangecrush Feb 2017 #12

I know this was reported in AP, but think the document itself was planted and is a fake Dream Girl Feb 2017 #14

When Trump said that the leaks were real but the news fake he left a clue karadax Feb 2017 #21

Yep. I just have a feeling this isn't real. My spidery sense tells me something's up. Dream Girl Feb 2017 #42

I thought the section on unaccompanied minors was more disheartening metalbot Feb 2017 #13

OK, if I'm reading this correctly, it doesn't propose MineralMan Feb 2017 #15

What state would sanction this action? workinclasszero Feb 2017 #18

What state? AZ, TX, NM, FL... MineralMan Feb 2017 #20

Sure, wait till those crops are rotting in the fields workinclasszero Feb 2017 #23

You'd think so, wouldn't you? MineralMan Feb 2017 #24

One thing I know in this world... workinclasszero Feb 2017 #33

Republican Senators must be shitting bricks. Volaris Feb 2017 #16

Look over there! A shiny thing...! Fritz Walter Feb 2017 #17

Yep...getting every one all twisted in knots. Dream Girl Feb 2017 #44

Shouty Spice says it is "100% untrue". MontanaMama Feb 2017 #19

The National Guard is a military unit . . . OldRedneck Feb 2017 #22

Haven't you heard of John Warner? George W. Bush? jmg257 Feb 2017 #26

But, see, there's the awkward fact that National Guard units are MineralMan Feb 2017 #27

"Posse Comitatus" doesn't apply to any National Guard troops acting under control of the governor PoliticAverse Feb 2017 #29

Ah - so not federalizing NG units, but working with states through the AG... jmg257 Feb 2017 #25

Yes. That law appears to be the "out" in this. MineralMan Feb 2017 #28

Yes - that is the way I read it. But I also think federalizing the units might also be doable jmg257 Feb 2017 #31

I'm not finding a Warner Act that impacts immigration. MineralMan Feb 2017 #32

No worries - see my other post - links & text in there. nt jmg257 Feb 2017 #34

Gotcha. MineralMan Feb 2017 #35

The issue w/the Govs will be 'So, are you friggin' PAYING, Uncle Sam?' mr_lebowski Feb 2017 #41

Yes, perhaps. I don't know. We'll have to wait and see what transpires. MineralMan Feb 2017 #43

Border states could go along, usually red already. jmg257 Feb 2017 #47

That's what I'm thinking, too. MineralMan Feb 2017 #48

Agree - other thread calling it bogus. jmg257 Feb 2017 #49

Republicans have lost all credibility and moral authority for a generation SpankMe Feb 2017 #30

It doesn't sound like WH is denying authenticity. earthside Feb 2017 #36

White House has already DENIED this. Either bogus or a dye test for leakers by bogus document. Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2017 #37

This is scary agenasolva Feb 2017 #39

Good old tried and true MFM008 Feb 2017 #40

With this admin, denies very aptly sounds a lot like Dark n Stormy Knight Feb 2017 #46

I thought the press conference yesterday was scary. Brogrizzly Feb 2017 #50