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Ms. Toad

(33,915 posts)
21. I dont agree wtih the TERF folks,
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 07:59 PM
Feb 2017

but accusing transgender individuals of sex crimes is NOT the same argument as asserting that people who have grown up socialized as men carry and assert themselves in an entirely different way than people who have grown up socialized as women (and that the private MWMF is a space the people who own it have decided is a space for people who have grown up socialized as women).

One is a blatant and vicious lie. The other has connection to reality - and it creates some uncomfortable tensions. I think we need to more inclusively address that tension, but it is not even on the same planet as accusing transgender women of sex crimes.




George Takei vs. Bill Maher [View all] Trumpocalypse Feb 2017 OP
It's very disheartening to see liberals knocking liberals because they are not liberal enough TrekLuver Feb 2017 #1
Bull Maher is not a liberal though. As far as I know he is a libertarian. boston bean Feb 2017 #3
Well he coulda fooled me and yes he's a liberal. TrekLuver Feb 2017 #4
Then he fooled you. Trumpocalypse Feb 2017 #34
I'm not reading all that but because he said some "unliberal" things (I'll assume) he's kicked out? TrekLuver Feb 2017 #36
Kicked out of where? Trumpocalypse Feb 2017 #41
I'm not seeing the bigotry here and please don't judge me since you know nothing about me thanks. TrekLuver Feb 2017 #44
So you are turning a blind eye to bigoty Trumpocalypse Feb 2017 #50
Block my posts because you are too liberal for me. HAHAHHAHAHA TrekLuver Feb 2017 #54
I don't block posts Trumpocalypse Feb 2017 #58
Well then it looks like you're stuck with me...I call it out too and wanting to hang Mahr for this TrekLuver Feb 2017 #63
He also made sure to ask where the "weirdos" should pee. Crash2Parties Feb 2017 #87
Who ever said anything about hanging Maher? Trumpocalypse Feb 2017 #113
He self-describes as a libertarian. Gore1FL Feb 2017 #66
No he does not. He dropped that ages ago. phleshdef Feb 2017 #74
He's a showman. For the last maybe 8 years he was more Dem leaning. Then the WH changed parties. Crash2Parties Feb 2017 #88
Actually its been more like over a decade. phleshdef Feb 2017 #90
in 2011 he renounced any label and described himself as "practical" Gore1FL Feb 2017 #97
Thats pretty vague and offers no video so I can't speak to the context of it. But I would identify.. phleshdef Feb 2017 #99
+1000 smirkymonkey Feb 2017 #105
Thank you! MindPilot Feb 2017 #165
"Yes, he is a bigot" should just end with a period. There's nothing left to be said after that. EffieBlack Feb 2017 #212
I'll decide how my sentences end. I don't need any help. phleshdef Feb 2017 #223
Here we go with the "you called out someone's bigotry so YOU'RE THE BIGOT!" bs EffieBlack Feb 2017 #228
You didn't "call me" on anything. You attempted to. But you failed because I'm no selling it. phleshdef Feb 2017 #231
Words have meaning n/t kcr Feb 2017 #233
He's a self-described libertarian. cannabis_flower Feb 2017 #78
Nope. He's not. TDale313 Feb 2017 #168
He is American Pachamama Feb 2017 #173
Hardly. Bill Maher is indeed liberal. RelativelyJones Feb 2017 #6
He is a libertarian who has many liberal positions Trumpocalypse Feb 2017 #38
Yep, that's about the size of it.. I stand with George, too. Cha Feb 2017 #80
I stand with both of them. TrekLuver Feb 2017 #120
Exactly EffieBlack Feb 2017 #213
He has identified as a liberal for pretty much a decade now. phleshdef Feb 2017 #91
What difference does a label make? It's his positions on major issues that counts, isn't it? Honeycombe8 Feb 2017 #154
If that's true, then I wonder why Sanders campaigned as a Democrat Orrex Feb 2017 #156
You know Vermont politics are different, right? Goblinmonger Feb 2017 #192
Are you saying that labels DO matter in Vermont? Orrex Feb 2017 #193
Oh, man Goblinmonger Feb 2017 #194
Are you saying that labels DO matter in Vermont? Orrex Feb 2017 #195
He had to change the label for the presidential bid because it's a two-party system Goblinmonger Feb 2017 #196
Are you saying that labels DO matter in Vermont? Orrex Feb 2017 #197
Exactly Trumpocalypse Feb 2017 #175
I haven't heard him express bigotry. ??? nt Honeycombe8 Feb 2017 #198
You haven't? Trumpocalypse Feb 2017 #203
No, I don't think he's bigoted. Honeycombe8 Feb 2017 #209
You don't include remarks Trumpocalypse Feb 2017 #226
THANK YOU!!! EffieBlack Feb 2017 #214
He is liberal/libertarian.... angstlessk Feb 2017 #7
I don't think his views on libertarianism have changed much since this video RelativelyJones Feb 2017 #14
if we define everyone who supports free speech and legal pot as "libertarian", that's what he is. Warren DeMontague Feb 2017 #17
he's a strong supporter of Democrats-- he supported Obama and Hillary Fast Walker 52 Feb 2017 #24
That doesn't excuse his bigotry. Trumpocalypse Feb 2017 #61
No, it certainly does not. I just don't think he's a libertarian at all Fast Walker 52 Feb 2017 #179
Apparently, some Democrats think his bigotry is just fine as long as he supports the positions they EffieBlack Feb 2017 #215
Bill's libertarian credentials begin and end with legalizing weed n/t Azathoth Feb 2017 #202
I think Maher has passed his sell by date. GoneOffShore Feb 2017 #205
this s about bigotry and lies about transgender people JI7 Feb 2017 #11
Did you watch his wink-and-nod encouragement to milo's extremely transphobic remarks? Ms. Toad Feb 2017 #18
I'll have to watch it... TrekLuver Feb 2017 #26
If someone tolerates and encourages blatantly false and transphobic lies, yes. Ms. Toad Feb 2017 #37
After watching it he was not chuckling with him...he was chuckling at him..and he said WHAT TrekLuver Feb 2017 #49
Scroll back to Maher's comment about "weirdos" Ms. Toad Feb 2017 #56
You need to watch the show AND the after show Beaverhausen Feb 2017 #131
Yes I did. It was disgusting. Vile. (I assume he's trying to save or resurrect his show ... NurseJackie Feb 2017 #70
Huh? MindPilot Feb 2017 #121
That figure was clearly off the wall. Didn't he say " involved"? Which might be true, and entirely JCanete Feb 2017 #152
That is likely the statistic he was using - Ms. Toad Feb 2017 #187
So your argument is we should turn a blind eye to bigotry. Trumpocalypse Feb 2017 #32
Did I say that was my argument? TrekLuver Feb 2017 #33
You posted that we shouldn't attack Maher for his bigotry. Trumpocalypse Feb 2017 #35
I said nothing like that you can go reread what I wrote I'm not typing it again. TrekLuver Feb 2017 #39
I read what you wrote Trumpocalypse Feb 2017 #42
You know what I just watched the video and I don't see any "blatant" bigotry portrayed by Mahr. TrekLuver Feb 2017 #53
That says quite a lot, that you don't think this is blatant bigotry Ms. Toad Feb 2017 #69
Except it wasn't unintelligible..Mahr said "I said it to Fuck with Jack" TrekLuver Feb 2017 #73
That makes it less bigoted to call transgender people weirdos? Ms. Toad Feb 2017 #92
He was kidding around...good lord lighten up. I'm done with this nonsense now. TrekLuver Feb 2017 #100
It is not nonsense Ms. Toad Feb 2017 #188
Notice how that inconvenient little fact was left off the posted transcript BannonsLiver Feb 2017 #211
When he started reading the Joan Rivers quotes Trumpocalypse Feb 2017 #115
That's OK I don't need to prove my "liberalness" to you...why you actually likened me to a Trashpot TrekLuver Feb 2017 #118
Yes I'm intolerant of bigotry. Guilty as charged. Trumpocalypse Feb 2017 #123
Fair enough...I'm not a fan of it either...I don't think there are many here who would defend TrekLuver Feb 2017 #126
Who said anything about 'throwing the baby out with the bathwater' Trumpocalypse Feb 2017 #148
Go chase your own tail. I'm done with you...have a nice day. TrekLuver Feb 2017 #149
You keep saying that Trumpocalypse Feb 2017 #151
I'll knock transphobia whenever I see it. Adrahil Feb 2017 #62
The only transphobia on the show was Milo...and maybe the other southern guy I forget his TrekLuver Feb 2017 #64
Maher gave Milo half-hearted agreement.... Adrahil Feb 2017 #68
And when Maher said "where should the weirdos pee"??? Crash2Parties Feb 2017 #89
It is one thing to believe that there is too much emphasis on a civil rights issue such as dsc Feb 2017 #79
"not liberal enough"? What he said was bigoted & right out of the GOP cue cards. Crash2Parties Feb 2017 #86
A feud with Bill Maher? Who contributed $1 Million to the Obama campaign? Honeycombe8 Feb 2017 #153
Yeah, I feel the same way. More unity is needed in general. Kimchijeon Feb 2017 #200
+1000 BannonsLiver Feb 2017 #210
Would it hurt to provide context to those who didn't watch his show? brooklynite Feb 2017 #2
Mahr was phobic about transgenders angstlessk Feb 2017 #5
Milo made a bigoted and wrong point about transgender people being "dangerous" Warren DeMontague Feb 2017 #15
I dont agree wtih the TERF folks, Ms. Toad Feb 2017 #21
I think the shit Julie Bindel has said on this is uncannily similar to Milo's rhetoric. Warren DeMontague Feb 2017 #22
I don't know Julie Bindel, Ms. Toad Feb 2017 #23
Well if you run down the bigoted bullet points, they're identical. Warren DeMontague Feb 2017 #25
You're missing the most significant difference, Ms. Toad Feb 2017 #27
You're right. And I don't know if that's part of Bindel's assertions, or not. Warren DeMontague Feb 2017 #29
I see both points Lotusflower70 Feb 2017 #8
I like Maher and agree with him on many things, but he's not always right. Warren DeMontague Feb 2017 #12
Agreed Lotusflower70 Feb 2017 #13
Well said Warren! I agree Va Lefty Feb 2017 #16
Exactly! mountain grammy Feb 2017 #76
Anyone who thinks a man in a dress and heels wearing a waist cincher Warpy Feb 2017 #9
That is too hillarious angstlessk Feb 2017 #19
Divide and conquer. theaocp Feb 2017 #30
Hahaha! babylonsister Feb 2017 #20
Yep. Maher was wrong and should be called out on that. Warren DeMontague Feb 2017 #10
I've seen him miss opportunities before...but then I was thinking if I was hosting the show TrekLuver Feb 2017 #28
This one was too offensive, and too blatant. Ms. Toad Feb 2017 #43
Milo didn't get away with anything in that video...so I'm seeing something different. TrekLuver Feb 2017 #48
I never suggested Milo got away with it. We were discussing Maher's behavior - Ms. Toad Feb 2017 #55
Larry jumped in right away. It's a talk show moving along to the next topic. You guys are really TrekLuver Feb 2017 #60
plus infinty! MindPilot Feb 2017 #127
I find Maher a mixed bag. Crunchy Frog Feb 2017 #31
You weren't...Maher's fearless critiques of Republican hypocrisy are a model that all Democrats BeyondGeography Feb 2017 #40
It's called "liberal intolerance". TrekLuver Feb 2017 #122
I though the Magic R segment of New Rules was one of the best ever. Boomerproud Feb 2017 #67
I find Maher a mixed bag. LenaBaby61 Feb 2017 #77
me too.. samnsara Feb 2017 #103
I thought the "Magic R" piece was one of his best. smirkymonkey Feb 2017 #106
caught the repeat and I don't know why Milo was on... I don't know why anyone invites him anywhere.. JHan Feb 2017 #45
I learned that he's an uninteresting asshole. Crunchy Frog Feb 2017 #47
Right?! JHan Feb 2017 #52
My Wife And I FF'd The Last Bit of Him ProfessorGAC Feb 2017 #101
My impression was that he is doing performance art mnhtnbb Feb 2017 #104
Beam Me Up, Mr. Sulu, because this planet sucks n/t Stargleamer Feb 2017 #46
IIRC, Bill told Milo to shut the fuck up tirebiter Feb 2017 #51
Then why did Maher give him a platform in the first place Trumpocalypse Feb 2017 #57
I stand with both Demonaut Feb 2017 #59
I thought he was too. Bill Maher is dead to me now. Some of his biggest defenders BEFORE the show... NurseJackie Feb 2017 #65
K & R SunSeeker Feb 2017 #71
The Black Bloc in Berkley made Milo a hero to the Right tirebiter Feb 2017 #72
Bill Maher is human thbobby Feb 2017 #75
I like them both. logosoco Feb 2017 #81
I would love to see George Takei debate Maher sometime. Initech Feb 2017 #82
WOW! Can anybody say overreaction njhoneybadger Feb 2017 #83
welcome to du trumpocalypse orleans Feb 2017 #84
What did he say? liberalnarb Feb 2017 #85
Bill Maher has consistently been a failure at defending LGBT rights. Oneironaut Feb 2017 #93
He's trying to "save" his failing show. It's the Springer / Maury approach. NurseJackie Feb 2017 #96
wait a second, that just isn't true. I just looked up the ratings. This is his most watched season JCanete Feb 2017 #158
Apparently it's working. NurseJackie Feb 2017 #159
good lord, it isn't defending his bigottedness. He's ignorant on shit. I'd rather people be upright JCanete Feb 2017 #94
You act as if he's been living inside some sort of GOP bubble. He hasn't. He knows better ... NurseJackie Feb 2017 #95
you may very well be right that he doesn't care. I'm not going to get into his motivations. But JCanete Feb 2017 #98
Sigh... NurseJackie Feb 2017 #107
I don't particularly disagree with anything you said here. It makes sense to choose where JCanete Feb 2017 #147
Bill Maher is not our enemy.....nt HAB911 Feb 2017 #102
Politically correct people are. bathroommonkey76 Feb 2017 #109
Bullshit! This was not some unguarded "off-hand remark" ... NurseJackie Feb 2017 #111
The comment sure as heck didn't bother me. bathroommonkey76 Feb 2017 #112
there is a very sensitive thread HAB911 Feb 2017 #117
Yes...this....BIG TIME. TrekLuver Feb 2017 #119
Few are100pc correct liberal, plus WHO is the DECIDER of what 100 pc is? Maher goes off the rails Alice11111 Feb 2017 #174
Don't be afraid. bathroommonkey76 Feb 2017 #130
What was funny about what either Milo said or Maher agreed to? Humanist_Activist Feb 2017 #177
Maher's being lynched by melodramatic libs. bathroommonkey76 Feb 2017 #182
"Lynched?" EffieBlack Feb 2017 #216
So does being politically correct. bathroommonkey76 Feb 2017 #217
Calling out bigotry is "political correctness" only to those who aren't its target EffieBlack Feb 2017 #219
Widdle feewings bathroommonkey76 Feb 2017 #222
Well their hair trigger HAB911 Feb 2017 #180
Perhaps you should not violate the rules so much, just a suggestion... Humanist_Activist Feb 2017 #183
stating an opinion HAB911 Feb 2017 #184
Depends on the opinion, generally attacking Democrats is frowned upon, as is attacking people... Humanist_Activist Feb 2017 #190
Do folks use the alert button against you often? bathroommonkey76 Feb 2017 #185
LOL, on the topics HAB911 Feb 2017 #186
Frankly speaking, if you find that you are afraid to voice an opinion because you... Humanist_Activist Feb 2017 #176
sorry, nothing to do with being labeled anything HAB911 Feb 2017 #181
Depends who you define 'our' Trumpocalypse Feb 2017 #116
Milo is an asshole. Duppers Feb 2017 #108
Huh-wha-what?! WTF are you talking about? NurseJackie Feb 2017 #110
Milo isn't trans. JenniferJuniper Feb 2017 #114
Milo was trashing trans people Trumpocalypse Feb 2017 #124
Wow, thanks. Duppers Feb 2017 #128
I'm one more..Maher is not a bigot. MindPilot Feb 2017 #125
Unless you're Transgendered or Muslim. (That is all.) NurseJackie Feb 2017 #132
Oh god now I need eye bleach!! MindPilot Feb 2017 #135
Did you watch the show and after show? Beaverhausen Feb 2017 #133
I did. MindPilot Feb 2017 #134
He isn't??? Trumpocalypse Feb 2017 #150
I agree. Maher is not a bigot, that I know of. Honeycombe8 Feb 2017 #199
I have always found that Maher is a self-important, smarmy little libertarian shit. demmiblue Feb 2017 #129
Isn't it a pity that Wilmore's take-down was during the UNAIRED "Overtime" segment? NurseJackie Feb 2017 #136
For as much as you loathe the guy, you sure seem to be hooked on the show. MindPilot Feb 2017 #137
Why does my scorn for him make you so angry? It's as if you're taking it personally. NurseJackie Feb 2017 #138
I'm not one who's angry... MindPilot Feb 2017 #140
So you're not angry, but *do* take it personally ... that's good to know. NurseJackie Feb 2017 #142
Careful Orrex Feb 2017 #139
Probably because criticism of Maher MicaelS Feb 2017 #141
And they seem to forget that people on TV are entertainers, not political operatives. MindPilot Feb 2017 #143
Yes, that's the other predictable Maher defense Orrex Feb 2017 #146
Then get your own show. MindPilot Feb 2017 #155
Yes, criticism can only be voiced by those who can do better Orrex Feb 2017 #163
The other dismissive variation they're using is "Don't like him? Don't watch him!" Of course ... NurseJackie Feb 2017 #207
Yes, that is always and invariably the pro-Maher response Orrex Feb 2017 #144
Well your first sentance is clearly inaccurate... MindPilot Feb 2017 #160
Glad to see that you agree with the rest Orrex Feb 2017 #161
What tweet are you talking about? There's no tweet. MindPilot Feb 2017 #164
Curious--your in-thread link brought me to the OP Orrex Feb 2017 #166
Ah yes, the "bigot" claim because he dares MicaelS Feb 2017 #170
No, that's not it. Orrex Feb 2017 #171
That is not why he's called a bigot, Jesus, get a fucking grip... Humanist_Activist Feb 2017 #178
Oh no, you can't say that around here. MicaelS Feb 2017 #189
You are being called out for falsely suggesting that Muslims are the only ones who... Humanist_Activist Feb 2017 #191
Did we accidentally stumble onto a Breitbart comment section? EffieBlack Feb 2017 #220
No idea, I'm really puzzled by this tremendous concern about Islam in the West... Humanist_Activist Feb 2017 #227
I'm not so puzzled that this concern exists among certain people in the West . . . EffieBlack Feb 2017 #229
Thank you! TrekLuver Feb 2017 #145
Dollars to donuts, many of them are probably also Stern fans. n/t demmiblue Feb 2017 #167
Not a fan of Maher at all. hrmjustin Feb 2017 #157
This message was self-deleted by its author melman Feb 2017 #172
Maher is also a misogynist. wryter2000 Feb 2017 #162
Yes, on both counts. TDale313 Feb 2017 #169
So demanding purity of our politicians who we actually elect to represent us is bad.... vi5 Feb 2017 #201
Not demanding purity but calling out bigotry Trumpocalypse Feb 2017 #204
Interesting how folks circle the wagon at the mere suggestion that one of their own might be a bigot EffieBlack Feb 2017 #218
"we" don't elect all politicians to represent us JI7 Feb 2017 #206
He's a lot more liberal melman Feb 2017 #224
That doesn't excuse his bigotry. Trumpocalypse Feb 2017 #225
Be careful . . . EffieBlack Feb 2017 #232
LOL! Trumpocalypse Feb 2017 #234
And some of the policies many on here are o.k. with... vi5 Feb 2017 #230
Bill Mahar is an entertainer and I watch people who please me when I consume my time with them. Jim Beard Feb 2017 #208
Pfft...Maher can only dream of being on the same level. Rex Feb 2017 #221
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