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We can't call smart people stupid just for the sake of empathy no? uponit7771 Feb 2017 #1
I'm not violent Bettie Feb 2017 #2
Yes, I agree with you to an extent. RadiationTherapy Feb 2017 #4
Hitler and his followers were deplorable and degenerate. As I said some were very intelligent. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2017 #7
I do think there comes a time when one does need to de-humanize an enemy and fight. RadiationTherapy Feb 2017 #18
They dehumanize me everyday. They want to ban muslims, stop and frisk me, deport my family bravenak Feb 2017 #110
Where is the upside in empathizing with white supremacists? Cary Feb 2017 #172
My general label is Bettie Feb 2017 #11
They may very well be unreachable and action may be necessary to revoke some power from them RadiationTherapy Feb 2017 #20
They are both deplorable AND irredeemable. AngryAmish Feb 2017 #52
Remind us about their presence & beliefs. Relatives? Alice11111 Feb 2017 #61
I don't think labeling people as stupid is the least bit dehumanizing. Glamrock Feb 2017 #153
All I can contribute here is that I have not yet met such a person. RadiationTherapy Feb 2017 #155
Yes you are. Glamrock Feb 2017 #158
THIS in so many ways. GoneOffShore Feb 2017 #167
Reaching out to trump voters is a waste of time Gothmog Feb 2017 #196
Because they have votes! Donald Ian Rankin Feb 2017 #68
They may have votes Bettie Feb 2017 #79
NAZIS were deplorable and degenerate. Some did have IQs though. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2017 #3
I agree with you but DU is a place for venting. And largely falling in line with the group. KittyWampus Feb 2017 #5
I agree with you and I do think venting is important. RadiationTherapy Feb 2017 #21
God that's dumb 1965Comet Feb 2017 #6
That's a good point. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2017 #10
I think it certainly does follow in terms of history, racism, etc. RadiationTherapy Feb 2017 #28
I followed. Explain where you got lost? nt JCanete Feb 2017 #83
Poster never said they got lost. Stop othering them. mathematic Feb 2017 #133
Um, okay that was cute, but tell you what, rather than assuming your logic sucks, as the poster I JCanete Feb 2017 #135
Logically, violence against an individual does not follow merely from 1965Comet Feb 2017 #166
thinking that there is a pronounced inferiority that people have in an area such as intelligence, JCanete Feb 2017 #170
Whatever happened to "To err is human"? 1965Comet Feb 2017 #174
no. to do something stupid is not the same as to be stupid. To err is not the same thing as to be an JCanete Feb 2017 #176
So we can just never call someone "stupid" 1965Comet Feb 2017 #182
To call somebody stupid is to make assumptions about the context via which they came to their JCanete Feb 2017 #184
From Merriam Webster: 1965Comet Feb 2017 #187
as I said elsewhere it has all the baggage. You can mean it and hear it one way, but people will JCanete Feb 2017 #188
Well, far be it from me to use a word according to its definition around here... 1965Comet Feb 2017 #191
No, that's not it. Orrex Feb 2017 #192
nonsense, you're playing games. When we have posts that say, "Yes, we are saying you are stupid!" JCanete Feb 2017 #194
Um, no. Orrex Feb 2017 #197
Except that theoretically jaywalking is victimless. It certainly isn't knowingly intended to insult JCanete Feb 2017 #202
Again and again you misstate my position Orrex Feb 2017 #203
I'm not pretending. I clearly just dont' know what your position is. You denied that words intended JCanete Feb 2017 #204
I'm sorry, but these are people who voted in a madman and are likely to have Squinch Feb 2017 #177
What does stupid mean to you? You might have a very specific sense of its definition. It has a hell JCanete Feb 2017 #178
I am perfectly well aware of the meaning of the word stupid. And these people Squinch Feb 2017 #179
oh, we aren't having a conversation. The closest thing you came to addressing in my post was that JCanete Feb 2017 #180
No. We haven't been having a conversation. You have been arguing Squinch Feb 2017 #183
+10,000 Orrex Feb 2017 #198
It's just a short jump to dehumanizing your fellow human beings. Lars39 Feb 2017 #8
There is a difference... DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2017 #14
Definitely Lars39 Feb 2017 #40
A huge difference. Zero System Feb 2017 #59
No it doesn't. Initech Feb 2017 #53
"I won't let the fact that the Lego Batman Movie was produced by Steven Mnuchin detract from my..." DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2017 #95
in software engineering it's called flipping the Bozo bit. Xipe Totec Feb 2017 #9
What if some people really are Bozos and are incapable of helping? DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2017 #12
Not all of them are "Steve Cannons". Auto-correct made it "cannons' LOLZ KittyWampus Feb 2017 #31
Even a loose Bannon shoots in the right direction from time to time. nt Xipe Totec Feb 2017 #60
Yeah, he might hit you or me. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2017 #77
I hadn't heard this context before. Thank you for sharing. RadiationTherapy Feb 2017 #29
So what's your red line? Obviously, racism and misogyny are not. How about KingCharlemagne Feb 2017 #13
+1 narnian60 Feb 2017 #30
I am not certain where that line would be - the line where I decide others are so deviant they need RadiationTherapy Feb 2017 #39
Violence doesn't alleviate beliefs but often neither does informing of facts, debate, or dialogue. manicraven Feb 2017 #157
Condescension and self congratulation doesn't seem to be off limits for them either. Squinch Feb 2017 #103
Probably somewhere around Benghazi and private email servers. JTFrog Feb 2017 #181
No, "stupid" is actually more than just an insult. It's a measure for a person's intelligence. DetlefK Feb 2017 #15
Well, for me, you would have to go much further in order to even assert there is an objective RadiationTherapy Feb 2017 #32
+1000000! SammyWinstonJack Feb 2017 #63
Yes Bettie Feb 2017 #81
I think they're stupid and I also would like to see that change. Don't you think they were ripe for BeckyDem Feb 2017 #16
Yes, I do think they were ripe and susceptible to a bully who exploits their prejudices about RadiationTherapy Feb 2017 #33
I think you're taking it too far. When have Democrats ever made a campaign BeckyDem Feb 2017 #35
Frankly, and perhaps my standards are ridiculous, but I saw some of that in this past presidential RadiationTherapy Feb 2017 #42
Overall, that has not been our way as a party to campaign for votes. BeckyDem Feb 2017 #46
They were ripe for a Trump. Crunchy Frog Feb 2017 #146
Never heard of it before. I looked at one review from the NYT and I am curious what you think BeckyDem Feb 2017 #152
I think the stuff about neurophysiology is somewhat tangential to the main point of the film. Crunchy Frog Feb 2017 #163
I would like to view it myself. I think you would agree there is no one decisive BeckyDem Feb 2017 #185
These people are darlings. We should put them on our holiay card list DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2017 #17
Thanks for this. LAS14 Feb 2017 #19
Exactly. And to be clear, I would not waste any time defending Trump voters. RadiationTherapy Feb 2017 #34
Well said. n/t ms liberty Feb 2017 #147
Oh no. For instance I think about the crazy, degenerate assholes at JPR from time to time ismnotwasm Feb 2017 #22
Thank you for your care to everyone regardless of ideology. RadiationTherapy Feb 2017 #36
That is simply a stupid statement and not true. nikibatts Feb 2017 #23
How very authoritarian and unimpressive to call a bigot a bigot. LanternWaste Feb 2017 #24
I don't think I said anything of the kind. A bigot is a definable trait, "stupidity" is not. RadiationTherapy Feb 2017 #44
great post Locrian Feb 2017 #25
Excellent points. The global perspective makes the problem exponentially more incendiary. RadiationTherapy Feb 2017 #45
Bullshit. I think about them all the time. Iggo Feb 2017 #26
Fair enough. I am often challenged by when to use "I" "You" "One" "We" etc. RadiationTherapy Feb 2017 #37
I do that with the things I have time to check, and it helps me a lot. Iggo Feb 2017 #54
You have linked things that cannot be linked. NCTraveler Feb 2017 #27
Thanks for the heads up. RadiationTherapy Feb 2017 #38
I'm okay with being called an authoritarian and a fascist JustAnotherGen Feb 2017 #41
Yes. I understand as best I can - I do not have the same issues as you, obviously. RadiationTherapy Feb 2017 #43
In the USA JustAnotherGen Feb 2017 #165
You're totally right. TeacherB87 Feb 2017 #47
The orange blob is a narcissistic psychopath Progressive dog Feb 2017 #48
IMO, the Democratic Party is Starting to Enter Dangerous Territory On the Road Feb 2017 #49
Res ipsa loquitur DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2017 #50
there's no penalty in American politics if one "looks small and resentful" and there's zero reason geek tragedy Feb 2017 #70
Your premise is false. njhoneybadger Feb 2017 #51
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It's also true that the greater majority of those objecting to calling racists, racists - Maru Kitteh Feb 2017 #65
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I agree with your observations and the sentiments you express with much of this post. Maru Kitteh Feb 2017 #74
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Jan Brewer is the former Crypt Keeper, I mean Governor of Arizona. Maru Kitteh Feb 2017 #91
Former Gov. Brewer is a Trump supporter and a birther DesertRat Feb 2017 #99
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I don't have a link to my living room and why on *Earth* would I consider Maru Kitteh Feb 2017 #106
You are changing the terms Maeve Feb 2017 #123
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Greta's FB page WomanWhoRoars Feb 2017 #56
There is something seriously wrong with this thread njhoneybadger Feb 2017 #57
Calling people deplorables is unlikely to raise their awareness of the current political situation. jalan48 Feb 2017 #58
Your post doesn't make sense. mattclearing Feb 2017 #62
There are people who think certain races are stupid humans. Do you think that isn't dehumanizing? nt JCanete Feb 2017 #76
off-topic nt mattclearing Feb 2017 #164
For starters, I have nothing in common with that crowd... Blue_Tires Feb 2017 #64
+1000 Quayblue Feb 2017 #66
You can resent it all you want. What works is what matters. Saying you're not going to sit and nod JCanete Feb 2017 #78
I'm not slinging shit back this time Blue_Tires Feb 2017 #89
Like I said, deciding to opt out of that work is entirely understandable. Also, again, nobody here JCanete Feb 2017 #115
Sorry, I'm all out of empathy with these people. NastyRiffraff Feb 2017 #67
Yes. Stupid and Deplorable ... exactly correct. There are no two ways about it. NurseJackie Feb 2017 #72
I watched two live casts today--full of deplorables ismnotwasm Feb 2017 #84
"Giving them a chance" and "Trying to understand" is a SIGN OF WEAKNESS!!! NurseJackie Feb 2017 #90
Yeah one woman went on a demented rant toward me ismnotwasm Feb 2017 #94
to each their own. geek tragedy Feb 2017 #69
and how would you do that? Even if your diagnosis of who can change and who cannot is wrong, I'm all JCanete Feb 2017 #82
step one is to make Trump fail as much as we can. on everything. geek tragedy Feb 2017 #85
I believe it leads to distancing and ignoring TNLib Feb 2017 #73
That's about right. People can choose to do what they want to, but being aware of what JCanete Feb 2017 #80
yep, great post! And when you diagnose a people as this "other" you make yourself blind to the JCanete Feb 2017 #75
Oh bullshit!! bravenak Feb 2017 #111
wow, that was super insightful, thanks for chiming in. Changed my mind! what the hell Brav JCanete Feb 2017 #113
I'm mad at you for agreeing with this. :( bravenak Feb 2017 #114
But you aren't helping me see where I'm wrong. nt JCanete Feb 2017 #116
Fine. bravenak Feb 2017 #124
+1000! mcar Feb 2017 #186
i love how these lectures are never for the right wing bigots JI7 Feb 2017 #87
Like there's really a shortage of lectures for the right wing bigots on DU. LOLZ KittyWampus Feb 2017 #93
Yeah why is that? treestar Feb 2017 #173
the ones cheering on the muslim ban and deportations are the victims JI7 Feb 2017 #88
lots of concern lately... Phentex Feb 2017 #92
Are we supposed to have empathy for this lovely fellow? DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2017 #96
i think we are supposed to blame Clinton for signing NAFTA JI7 Feb 2017 #98
NAFTA made the Deplorable threaten to sodomize a woman in a hijab ? DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2017 #105
Calling a view stupid is not the problem.. JHan Feb 2017 #97
My opinion of engaging those ideologies is by calling them out as racists, bigots, sexists, etc. RadiationTherapy Feb 2017 #159
The natural response ... NanceGreggs Feb 2017 #100
Exactly right, Nance, especially the last paragraph: NastyRiffraff Feb 2017 #112
Kay. You go ahead and think act and engage with them. Have fun with that. Squinch Feb 2017 #102
So should we black people just ignore the racism and othering they do to us? bravenak Feb 2017 #104
Tone police yourself among people who wish you harm - yeah that's the ticket... JHan Feb 2017 #107
It's fucking ignorant and I see now how easy it is to sell us out bravenak Feb 2017 #108
It isn't about whether their behavior is unacceptable. It isn't about trying to get you to accept JCanete Feb 2017 #121
Why should a black woman like me not think it is STUPID to vote for a guy who thinks I'm lazy? bravenak Feb 2017 #128
For the same reason that person shouldn't think a black person who doesn't have a job is lazy. JCanete Feb 2017 #134
Thinking all blacks are lazy IS STUPID bravenak Feb 2017 #137
but it won't work. WE don't have the numbers to shame them out of existence. They have bubbles they JCanete Feb 2017 #138
They barely beat us electorally and did not beat us popularly bravenak Feb 2017 #139
As a white folk who used to be a dumbass, or far more dumbass than I am now if you like, I disagree JCanete Feb 2017 #140
Take too long and it too shame inducing for black folks to have to deal with bravenak Feb 2017 #141
Understood. Had another post going before reading this, but I think that even if people who don't JCanete Feb 2017 #144
Ok. I feel you. And yes, I do think it's your job. I'm tired. bravenak Feb 2017 #145
...and as an addendum, I don't know how to reconcile that with not making you feel sold out. That JCanete Feb 2017 #148
Thank you. I appreciate this post. Thank you for understanding. bravenak Feb 2017 #150
I am a communication scholar commenting on the act of communicating. RadiationTherapy Feb 2017 #122
Then give these lectures to those who promote hateful policies. bravenak Feb 2017 #126
The problem with this argument is that you dont' even think those people are reachable. JCanete Feb 2017 #142
Too much work to reach them bravenak Feb 2017 #143
To be clear, I am not advocating "reaching them" or anything of the sort. RadiationTherapy Feb 2017 #149
I get it, but.... bravenak Feb 2017 #151
It is hard. RadiationTherapy Feb 2017 #154
Thank you. I hope you are too and we win without losing our minds bravenak Feb 2017 #156
I bet you dont ever bother to answer my post bravenak Feb 2017 #109
I bet you're right, because it all really does seem always to come back to the same damn thing Maru Kitteh Feb 2017 #117
You are muthafuckin right about this bravenak Feb 2017 #119
I like the way you think, Maru Kitteh! WinkyDink Feb 2017 #120
Deplorables and their apologists are the biggest safe-space, delicate, precious snowflakes Maru Kitteh Feb 2017 #136
Just to be clear about how I feel about racism, sexism, etc. - I copy/pasted response 159 below. RadiationTherapy Feb 2017 #160
There's "understand" and "understand." LAS14 Feb 2017 #190
No where in the OP did it say to sympathize for those folks. And that wasn't the intent. KittyWampus Feb 2017 #127
It sure did judge the fuck out of us who think that deplorables are stupid as fuck bravenak Feb 2017 #130
I'm not in favor of eschewing labels for voting blocs. They self-identified. WinkyDink Feb 2017 #118
Sorry for my absence. I am recovering from a minor procedure today. RadiationTherapy Feb 2017 #125
I'm sorry, but I seem to be all out fucks to give about Deplorables MrScorpio Feb 2017 #129
I agree. Crunchy Frog Feb 2017 #131
labels teslar Feb 2017 #161
Ignoring "just words" is not a tenable strategy for people who are not white men. Maru Kitteh Feb 2017 #162
Ah, yes. Another call to "reach out to" and "understand" Trump voters Orrex Feb 2017 #168
Do you mind copy/pasting the part of my OP that advocates "reaching out" and "understanding"? RadiationTherapy Feb 2017 #169
It's all of a piece Orrex Feb 2017 #175
Why would they post such stuff in DU? LAS14 Feb 2017 #189
Self-delete. Replied in the wrong spot. Orrex Feb 2017 #193
Did you respond to the wrong post? This doesn't seem directed at my question. LAS14 Feb 2017 #199
NO DAMMIT I'LL REPLY WHEREVER I WANT!!!!!1! Orrex Feb 2017 #200
Aren't they the ones doing that? treestar Feb 2017 #171
Why Democrats Need to Forget About "Reaching Out" Gothmog Feb 2017 #195
Understanding others' capabilities and/or limits and treating them accordingly is not dehumanizing Nwgirl503 Feb 2017 #201
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