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Demsrule86

(68,347 posts)
74. See this is what I don't get.
Mon Feb 27, 2017, 01:23 PM
Feb 2017

We have no chance to do what you suggest...it will never happen. Why should we waste our time pursuing policies that have no chance? How about something that has a positive effect?

Gee. Wonder who was the leader who burst a spleen yelling this revelation? The Wielding Truth Feb 2017 #1
FDR won 4 terms, not by being a little better than the GOP, guillaumeb Feb 2017 #2
Yep. It is amazing that although he was rich he supported a social safety net. The Wielding Truth Feb 2017 #3
There are a few indivisible chapters in my area (near Chicago). guillaumeb Feb 2017 #6
Roosevelt began the social safety net... Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #5
But if one accepts the "inevitabilty" of capitalism, guillaumeb Feb 2017 #7
Right we need to overthrow the capitalistic system... Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #14
I am not advocating for overthrowing capitalism. guillaumeb Feb 2017 #16
The big tent contains Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #47
Manufacturing should be a component, guillaumeb Feb 2017 #53
And that needs to change...we will never be a great country if we don't make things. Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #68
Agreed on that. guillaumeb Feb 2017 #82
Interesting conversation. KPN Feb 2017 #72
After Dean, we abandoned the 50 state strategy. Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #73
Well, I hope you are right about the Party being able to craft a message that will help us win. KPN Feb 2017 #77
Right on, right on. KPN Feb 2017 #69
+1000 G_j Feb 2017 #71
+1,000 malaise Feb 2017 #92
Thanks. guillaumeb Feb 2017 #93
I'll raise you malaise Feb 2017 #94
Now I need some iced tea. guillaumeb Feb 2017 #96
I'm having a home made smoothie malaise Feb 2017 #98
And you HAD to say fresh fruit!! guillaumeb Feb 2017 #99
True but do you worry about hurricanes for six months? malaise Feb 2017 #100
True, we do not have hurricanes. guillaumeb Feb 2017 #102
What bugs malaise Feb 2017 #103
Hear Hear! Chasstev365 Feb 2017 #107
Here? guillaumeb Feb 2017 #110
Yes, Here, Here! Anyway, I agree with you! Chasstev365 Feb 2017 #115
I'm not sure an economic message is what we need. fun n serious Feb 2017 #4
The message I received was that uregulated capitalism guillaumeb Feb 2017 #8
The Democratic Party can't represent anyone effectively now because we lost. Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #15
But if losing is recent history, how can that be reversed? guillaumeb Feb 2017 #18
There is no one answer... Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #75
All true. eom guillaumeb Feb 2017 #84
It is going to be tough...but we have to persevere...hey anyone who wants to make some Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #91
Where did you get your information that white men are the only ones struggling to find jobs? EvolveOrConvolve Feb 2017 #35
Yes, fun n serious Feb 2017 #36
We need to stop fighting within the party. joshcryer Feb 2017 #9
But we even more desperately need to reverse the steady loss of power guillaumeb Feb 2017 #10
Do you know why it happened? joshcryer Feb 2017 #11
If you accept and insist that this is..... "the answer", guillaumeb Feb 2017 #12
If you can't get your message out there... joshcryer Feb 2017 #23
True. But enthusiastic volunteers guillaumeb Feb 2017 #24
Why would I be enthusiastic... joshcryer Feb 2017 #25
Some ARE calling for a purity test. I cannot deny that. guillaumeb Feb 2017 #28
And what is different? Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #48
We must attack predatory capitalism. guillaumeb Feb 2017 #56
No, we must emphasize the need for regulation. Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #67
I think we agree in the essential here. guillaumeb Feb 2017 #81
DURec leftstreet Feb 2017 #13
Thanks. Appreciated. guillaumeb Feb 2017 #19
For that to happen, you've got to take corporate money out of politics Blue_Tires Feb 2017 #17
Well, the money is coming from the 1% who own Wall Street. guillaumeb Feb 2017 #20
And until elections and advertising are public-funded Blue_Tires Feb 2017 #21
No, it actually takes votes to win an election. guillaumeb Feb 2017 #22
THIS. Our model would do well to devote more energy into clear, compelling, pithy messaging and JudyM Feb 2017 #37
I hate to admit it, but slogans do work. guillaumeb Feb 2017 #39
The neuroscience behind it is pretty interesting. JudyM Feb 2017 #41
Dump Trump!! guillaumeb Feb 2017 #46
Which is why you need proper organizing/advertising campaigns Blue_Tires Feb 2017 #43
Money is a big factor, no doubt, guillaumeb Feb 2017 #45
I agree, where are talented marketers for us? JudyM Feb 2017 #57
That isn't free. kcr Feb 2017 #60
I disagree. guillaumeb Feb 2017 #79
This is such a shallow view of modern problems bravenak Feb 2017 #26
Your missing the point RowdieTurtle Feb 2017 #27
You are the one who doesn't get it. That is our political system. kcr Feb 2017 #64
Welcome to DU. Perhaps you could point to the electoral victory Bernie won with "purity & truth?" msanthrope Feb 2017 #83
+1 uponit7771 Feb 2017 #29
If we fight in the GOP's favored arena, we will lose. guillaumeb Feb 2017 #31
If we just hand them every election, we are sure to lose. kcr Feb 2017 #65
And how has the Democratic Party strategy being working? guillaumeb Feb 2017 #80
Well put! +10000 Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #50
the money IS handcuffing. It means there are battles we can't fight...messages we have to temper and JCanete Feb 2017 #90
Common dreams? ismnotwasm Feb 2017 #30
Not a fan of dreams? guillaumeb Feb 2017 #32
Not a fan of that website ismnotwasm Feb 2017 #33
I like some of what I read there. guillaumeb Feb 2017 #34
That's why the Sanders movement and Our Revolution.. ananda Feb 2017 #38
I partly agree. guillaumeb Feb 2017 #40
no...sorry. Didn't even win a primary...and would lose in 2020. Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #52
Some thoughts, JHan Feb 2017 #42
Some very good thoughts. guillaumeb Feb 2017 #49
Except: JHan Mar 2017 #149
Your last paragraph deals with significantly regulated capitalism. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #151
Well I will never argue against regulation perse JHan Mar 2017 #155
Imagine a trade agreement that harmonized tax rates so that there were no tax havens. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #157
Trade agreements aren't the solution to this: JHan Mar 2017 #158
Agreed. Taxes must come from somewhere. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #159
I concur. Well said. NT Adrahil Feb 2017 #59
DU doesn't tend to like the "change" message. Posters mocked Obama in 2008.... Barack_America Feb 2017 #44
It does appear that way. guillaumeb Feb 2017 #51
I'm fine with "change"... so long as .... Adrahil Feb 2017 #62
Read this to see what we are really up against BSdetect Feb 2017 #54
Russia's Vision for Journalism MedusaX Feb 2017 #63
So you're implying they don't do such RIGHT NOW?! tia uponit7771 Feb 2017 #55
The author is not implying, the author is stating it as fact. guillaumeb Feb 2017 #58
the Democratic Party is Standing Up to Wall Street and Global Corporations. stonecutter357 Feb 2017 #61
I never watch FOX. I value what is left of my sanity. eom guillaumeb Feb 2017 #85
I think they need to stand up to tRump marybourg Feb 2017 #66
DEMS NEED TO REFORM THE SYSTEM THAT STEALS POWER FROM THEM! eniwetok Feb 2017 #70
See this is what I don't get. Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #74
Your attidude is shocking. Did abolitionists, suffragettes, etc give up? eniwetok Feb 2017 #78
This should be a stand alone post!!!! guillaumeb Feb 2017 #87
thanks... and I've tried... eniwetok Feb 2017 #89
Quite an interesting post...And I would love to see the system reformed...but I will point out to Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #105
There's always a reason to delay this effort... eniwetok Feb 2017 #108
I disagree...we can not take the money from our guys... Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #126
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT??? eniwetok Feb 2017 #127
Please explain... your post makes no sense. eniwetok Feb 2017 #131
Ah...since Dems have always had governments based on Democratic principles...I thought Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #135
Dems never even bothered to define democratic principles... if they did... eniwetok Feb 2017 #142
It does seem strange that a vestige of slavery still keeps poor people in bondage. eom guillaumeb Feb 2017 #86
technically the system now keeps Dem Voters in "bondage" eniwetok Feb 2017 #143
True. It is not majority rules, guillaumeb Feb 2017 #146
Wrong. ghostsinthemachine Feb 2017 #76
Corporate personhood IS the problem. We agree on that. eom guillaumeb Feb 2017 #88
Of course it does. Dark money in politics brought us Trump and the plutocracy we live in. Rex Feb 2017 #95
Agreed. guillaumeb Feb 2017 #97
This is my personal hope, that people are watching Trump and understand he is part of the 1%. Rex Feb 2017 #101
The problem with this theory is that the Dems have already done that. DanTex Feb 2017 #104
It will hurt Democrats...we could have a McGovern style loss. Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #106
Do you see any evidence that moving center right has helped? guillaumeb Feb 2017 #109
There has been no move to the center right. DanTex Feb 2017 #111
That is your opinion of the 3 politicians that you named. guillaumeb Feb 2017 #112
Which do you disagree with? DanTex Feb 2017 #113
Obama had numerous positions/policies that I feel were definitely not progressive. guillaumeb Feb 2017 #114
Fair enough, but he was to the left of Bill Clinton, do you agree? DanTex Feb 2017 #116
I believe that the public option was never an option. guillaumeb Feb 2017 #117
That's on Baucus and Lieberman, not Obama. DanTex Feb 2017 #118
Libya was a US operation, with European cover. In my view. guillaumeb Feb 2017 #119
It is a simple fact that France and the UK led the Libyan intervention. DanTex Feb 2017 #120
If we look at how Democrats have governed while in power, guillaumeb Feb 2017 #121
That's a totally one-sided account of the Obama administration. DanTex Feb 2017 #128
It was not intended to single out President Obama. guillaumeb Feb 2017 #129
You are looking at national elections only...the fact that the GOP has Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #136
The GOP has moved to the right, and also the GOP has taken over more seats, which DanTex Feb 2017 #139
I agree with you...we have always been big tent... Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #140
I agree about the heartburn. DanTex Feb 2017 #141
The lack of recs and the amount of venom is depressing. HughBeaumont Feb 2017 #122
Capitalism IS the American religion. guillaumeb Feb 2017 #123
It's so powerful . . . HughBeaumont Feb 2017 #124
Well said. guillaumeb Feb 2017 #125
The Dems just need to be focused on being pro-Worker, not anti-wallstreet. Which sounds like just qdouble Feb 2017 #130
But in the class war that the 1% always wages, guillaumeb Feb 2017 #132
Being anti-wallstreet makes no sense within itself. How would wallstreet doing poorly benefit labor? qdouble Feb 2017 #133
If we look at the economic history of the past 30 years, guillaumeb Feb 2017 #134
Not crazy about Walmart but here in Ohio they have raised wages while Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #137
WalMart is a net loss for states and communities. guillaumeb Feb 2017 #144
You're conflating different issues here..the strength of Wall Street is connected to the strength of qdouble Feb 2017 #138
I disagree. guillaumeb Feb 2017 #145
I think this a correlation vs causation issue. Simply because the market has increased while wages qdouble Feb 2017 #147
I agree on correlation. guillaumeb Feb 2017 #148
There is no 'war'. There is tropistic behavior. randome Mar 2017 #150
Regulation requires both an informed citizenry and political will. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #152
Definitely. randome Mar 2017 #153
K&R! Rex Mar 2017 #154
Thank you. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #156
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