Try to grasp how pivotal the '80s were and how this unraveling has been building for DECADES, when the Democratic Party shifted right, abandoned labor, and stopped being the opposition party. We're all paying for it now. I imagine the older members of this board understand the magnitude of losing PA, MI and WI, perhaps someday you will, too. What's your solution to win back those electoral votes?

Let's move away from the far-reaching scandal known as Iran-Contra, shall we, since your knickers are in such a twist over the mere mention of it. Let's focus on something more recent, like Democrats rolling over during the selection of Dubya and entirely too many Democrats giving he and his merry band of warmongers the OK on Iraq, both touched on in the "irrelevant" OP. Still too far back for you?

Seriously, poo-poing Iran-Contra. Only on DU!