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In reply to the discussion: Moore and Krugman piss on the ACA decision [View all]"I can't wait to see people scream at Moore and Krugman."
...because some on the left are becoming more like RWingers using Rovian tactics?
Moore (to finish the sentence in the OP):
So, yes, the bill is highly flawed and somewhat wrong-headed but what it IS is a huge step in the right direction. And today's court decision cements that. The right wing knows this and they are probably unraveling in some not-so-pretty ways right now. And that's why today is a great day. The Right has been smacked down by one of their own! They know what we all know that the path of history has been, and will continue to move toward the basic human right that all people are entitled to see a doctor and NOT have to worry about losing their home because they can't afford to pay the medical bills. Those days are over, or will be soon, and that is where civilization is headed. It's not headed back to the days of Oliver Twist. Today's victory is momentum, it's forward motion, and we WILL have true universal health care in this country in the not too distant future.
So take some time tonight to celebrate; this is a victory for the people. Actually, more than a victory, it is a mandate that all of us must now make sure that a second-term Obama continues to move the ball down the field, toward a system like they have in every other First World country on the planet. He simply has to improve Medicare and then expand it to every citizen in the country. The countries that do this, their people live an average of two to four years longer than we do. Is there a reason anyone doesn't want an extra four years of their lives? Or that our babies would have a better chance of surviving their first year like they do in the 48 countries that have a better infant mortality rate than we do? Exactly who is opposed to this? You'd have to be a bit crazy.
So take some time tonight to celebrate; this is a victory for the people. Actually, more than a victory, it is a mandate that all of us must now make sure that a second-term Obama continues to move the ball down the field, toward a system like they have in every other First World country on the planet. He simply has to improve Medicare and then expand it to every citizen in the country. The countries that do this, their people live an average of two to four years longer than we do. Is there a reason anyone doesn't want an extra four years of their lives? Or that our babies would have a better chance of surviving their first year like they do in the 48 countries that have a better infant mortality rate than we do? Exactly who is opposed to this? You'd have to be a bit crazy.
Krugman:
So the Supreme Court defying many expectations upheld the Affordable Care Act, a k a Obamacare. There will, no doubt, be many headlines declaring this a big victory for President Obama, which it is. But the real winners are ordinary Americans people like you.
How many people are we talking about? You might say 30 million, the number of additional people the Congressional Budget Office says will have health insurance thanks to Obamacare. But that vastly understates the true number of winners because millions of other Americans including many who oppose the act would have been at risk of being one of those 30 million.
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But, for now, lets celebrate. This was a big day, a victory for due process, decency and the American people.
How many people are we talking about? You might say 30 million, the number of additional people the Congressional Budget Office says will have health insurance thanks to Obamacare. But that vastly understates the true number of winners because millions of other Americans including many who oppose the act would have been at risk of being one of those 30 million.
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But, for now, lets celebrate. This was a big day, a victory for due process, decency and the American people.
Join the celebration!
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There's nothing "Socialist" about having to tithe to insurance corporations
kenny blankenship
Jun 2012
#3
99.99% of the ACA is good. But they both singled out the individual mandate as the flaw in the law.
Zalatix
Jun 2012
#25
I have been posting criticism not of the entire ACA, but rather the individual mandate.
Zalatix
Jun 2012
#53
The mandate is not the 1% way. It is a mandate in context with a MLR on the premium dollar that cuts
patrice
Jul 2012
#106
I don't want the ACA to fail. I am hoping the new consumer tools work as intended.
Zalatix
Jul 2012
#120
Me too. And, yes, we shouldn't underestimate the difficulty of the struggle, but this is it. What
patrice
Jul 2012
#122
The Constitutionality of the mandate is ground to stand on for the constitutionality of Single Payer
patrice
Jul 2012
#101
They both dissed the individual mandate. Most of the DU supports the mandate. VEHEMENTLY.
Zalatix
Jun 2012
#8
No. What he's saying is that it's not the best way to cover people, but you need to have it
boxman15
Jun 2012
#32
What the hell else do you think he is referring to besides the individual mandate?
Zalatix
Jun 2012
#26
Everyone agrees about that. The REAL questions are about how to get there with a system that
patrice
Jul 2012
#109
Theoretically, moving the cost of health care off of employers, under certain circumstances
Zalatix
Jul 2012
#119
Dealing with the Tax Code could also result in NEW employers, entrepreneurs, and some of those might
patrice
Jul 2012
#123
That's exactly how I feel. Now, it's a lot easier to amend the legislation to improve it.
Hoyt
Jun 2012
#29
"Only damned way the R's would let it pass." - not a single republican voted for the bill.
PoliticAverse
Jul 2012
#127
If you can't see that the bill is seriously flawed, then you're looking at it
Lydia Leftcoast
Jun 2012
#35
there's a huge difference b/w criticizing the ACA and "piss[ing] on the ACA decision"
fishwax
Jun 2012
#36
So correctly pointing out what is wrong with ACA is pissing on the SCOTUS decision
Chisox08
Jun 2012
#40
Ha! Ha! You're pretty uh. . . un-informed yourself. You have NO idea how qualified The Magistrate is
patrice
Jul 2012
#112
You Know, Sir, It Does Not Bother Me To Keep This Idiocy Up And Current
The Magistrate
Jul 2012
#141
but he said; But it’s still a big step toward a better—and by that I mean morally better — society.
dionysus
Jun 2012
#62
You feel good about saying that Michael Moore and Paul Krugman PISS on this decision,
elleng
Jul 2012
#79
Erm, I am a huge mandate supporter here and I've been saying the exact same thing.
joshcryer
Jul 2012
#81