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What 'extreme left?' dchill Mar 2017 #1
The OP is Wrong.. Jill Stein spoiled the 2016 election for Hillary Clinton Gave us trump Cha Mar 2017 #111
What makes you think that those Jill Stein voters Chitown Kev Mar 2017 #116
I stand by the article.. "Jill Stein spoiled the 2016 election for Hillary Clinton " Cha Mar 2017 #119
That comes with the assumption that Hillary would have received the votes Chitown Kev Mar 2017 #173
It's doesn't matter.. if they voted or stayed home.. they still fucked it up. Cha Mar 2017 #176
I simply don't like the idea Chitown Kev Mar 2017 #180
Didn't say they "owed" anything. Apparently not even the Planet.. Cha Mar 2017 #181
15% of voters nationwide Chitown Kev Mar 2017 #183
How Jill Stein and Donald Trump became allies of Vladimir Putin Cha Mar 2017 #191
I read that this morning True Blue American Mar 2017 #251
And here is another level truly salient in the 2016 election results -- "Nobody won..." Samantha Mar 2017 #193
and there's biggest problem and our challange is to get them on our side Ligyron Mar 2017 #330
The leadership has done a great job... pat_k Mar 2017 #370
We've been naming "one of the factors" -- spreading Hortensis Mar 2017 #229
One hundred million Trump- and non-voters fucked it up. Orsino Mar 2017 #243
I agree with this. SpankMe Mar 2017 #279
I'm not sure we can even lump all the non-voters together, tempting as it is. Orsino Mar 2017 #286
Absolutely! pat_k Mar 2017 #377
In my view... pat_k Mar 2017 #374
And people on this very site bragged about voting cwydro Mar 2017 #305
You are missing the fact that both Stein and Johnson votes increase exponentially since 2008/2012. boston bean Mar 2017 #244
Because Stein did get votes Chitown Kev Mar 2017 #321
Well lets see, in Michigan Hillary lost by .3%. Stein received 1.1% of the vote still_one Mar 2017 #139
"Noam Chomsky made that very clear that those "Progressives who refused to vote for Hillary Clinton Cha Mar 2017 #152
The numbers are there Cha, thanks still_one Mar 2017 #155
Not that I don't see the point angrychair Mar 2017 #258
Of course the responsibility with what we will be going through the next 4 years lies still_one Mar 2017 #314
I don't disagree - the elephant in the room is that a hostile foreign power PatrickforO Mar 2017 #329
Keep fighting the good fight! pat_k Mar 2017 #395
I've also looked at the 2012 and 2008 results in those states Chitown Kev Mar 2017 #177
As I said those self-identified progressives who refused to vote for Hillary by either voting third still_one Mar 2017 #187
and I'm saying that a majority of those voters Chitown Kev Mar 2017 #238
I understand your point. You may not be aware, but we lost a good number of folks here who said still_one Mar 2017 #246
Even if you were to accept the premise that every Stein vote.... pat_k Mar 2017 #393
It not just Stein voters Trumpocalypse Mar 2017 #521
Absolutely. pat_k Mar 2017 #525
Just out of curiosity.... vi5 Mar 2017 #308
And Comey, and Putin ... Lil Missy Mar 2017 #135
YES! Mahalo, Lil Missy Cha Mar 2017 #140
.... Lil Missy Mar 2017 #265
Let's don't take any responsibility for any of this. KPN Mar 2017 #159
I posting the article in response to the first sentence of the OP.. there are other Cha Mar 2017 #163
I get all that. KPN Mar 2017 #165
You may get it.. but the OP doesn't or that wouldn't have been the 1st Cha Mar 2017 #170
What is it that you think I "don't get'?? pat_k Mar 2017 #190
I disagree with you on that too. KPN Mar 2017 #375
Exactly. You'd think that four months later, SMC22307 Mar 2017 #287
+1 JudyM Mar 2017 #503
How curious that you're beating up the female candidate, when Gary Johnson (L)... SMC22307 Mar 2017 #282
Very good point LiberalLovinLug Mar 2017 #288
LOL So much ire toward Stein when good ol' Gary was the bigger menace... SMC22307 Mar 2017 #303
It does seem lately that there is an effort to shut down (or shout out) progressives in here. LiberalLovinLug Mar 2017 #315
The "angry, bitter minority" had vastly different positions at one time. VASTLY. SMC22307 Mar 2017 #323
+ 1000 LiberalLovinLug Mar 2017 #345
Show me anywhere where ANY of "these same folks" have EVER shown ANY tendency to support cuts to Squinch Mar 2017 #480
Agree completely. JudyM Mar 2017 #504
You call exposing "beating up".. "How Jill Stein and Donald Trump became allies of Vladimir Putin" Cha Mar 2017 #347
Will you do a 180 on Stein like you did with Hillary? SMC22307 Mar 2017 #351
Oh good.. all you have are insults.. no defending stein on being a putin troll? Cha Mar 2017 #353
Exactly... "no defending stein on being a putin troll." SMC22307 Mar 2017 #354
Good there is no defense of the Liar stein.. she owns a chunk of trump Cha Mar 2017 #355
Gary Johnson owns a bigger chunk. And how much... SMC22307 Mar 2017 #356
Hey.. don't forget about fuckng james comey of the FBI.. and the Russians.. Cha Mar 2017 #382
Is that what you call it.. "an enquiring mind"? lol Cha Mar 2017 #383
Post removed Post removed Mar 2017 #318
No, Hillary did not "spoil" the Election... and your saying that does not Cha Mar 2017 #364
Do you ever hear Republicans unloading on Ross Perot? BlueWI Mar 2017 #492
The "Extreme left gave us..." post.. pat_k Mar 2017 #130
Your list in your post "It is not a left/moderate/right "divide." isn't complete... George II Mar 2017 #455
Me? Group 1. pat_k Mar 2017 #461
Are you serious? Let's review: George II Mar 2017 #462
I stand with Democrats even when they are idiots because I KNOW they are capable of better. pat_k Mar 2017 #463
Bashing the crap out of them for things that happened more than a decade and a half ago... George II Mar 2017 #464
You've made that pretty clear. pat_k Mar 2017 #467
P.S. You neglected to say what group I need to add pat_k Mar 2017 #468
If you hate the party so much, then why post at a place for Democrats? bravenak Mar 2017 #2
Who's worse, a criminal committing a crime, or a cop that looks the other way? pat_k Mar 2017 #9
Fight Trump for fuck's sake! bravenak Mar 2017 #10
Exactly bravenak. sheshe2 Mar 2017 #23
It's kinda strange that we should only listen to those who are fighting us bravenak Mar 2017 #25
strange... sheshe2 Mar 2017 #30
We've seen this show before. Tiresome. bravenak Mar 2017 #68
This is not fighing you!!! LiberalLovinLug Mar 2017 #138
exactly ProfessorPlum Mar 2017 #272
... pat_k Mar 2017 #46
"For fuck's sake" the way to fight DT is to kick Dems in the butt to go all out pat_k Mar 2017 #40
You fight him by kicking our asses? How the hell does that make any sense? bravenak Mar 2017 #65
The point is to get MORE of them to vote no. pat_k Mar 2017 #70
No you're kicking the Democratic Party over stupid shit. JHan Mar 2017 #83
+1 bravenak Mar 2017 #88
I can't take the motherfucking bullshit anymore I swear... JHan Mar 2017 #90
Half the shit they mad at happened before we were born bravenak Mar 2017 #98
and Iran-fucking-contra really? JHan Mar 2017 #103
I was still in Buster Browns during Iran Contra. bravenak Mar 2017 #105
+100000000000000000000 JHan Mar 2017 #108
Anyone who likens anger over Iran-Contra to a "grudge"... SMC22307 Mar 2017 #143
I know because I study history.. JHan Mar 2017 #144
Right-o. You "study history," but are you LEARNING from it? SMC22307 Mar 2017 #146
what makes you think I am not aware of the impact of history ? JHan Mar 2017 #147
Meh. SMC22307 Mar 2017 #157
Naw you keep thinking about past fevers from long ago and keep misconstruing my point.. JHan Mar 2017 #158
Be sure to let us know... SMC22307 Mar 2017 #162
Nighty night, sweet dreams! JHan Mar 2017 #167
LEARN FROM HISTORY. betsuni Mar 2017 #171
Lol. JHan Mar 2017 #179
"Iran-Contra taught the Republicans that they can get away with anything"... SMC22307 Mar 2017 #293
I blame Republicans. betsuni Mar 2017 #299
And Democrats who didn't fight that are off the hook in your world? SMC22307 Mar 2017 #301
Who? I don't know who you're talking about. betsuni Mar 2017 #302
Seems to be a deafening silence in response. betsuni Mar 2017 #422
Actually, when Ford pardoned Nixon charlyvi Mar 2017 #322
Very good point. SMC22307 Mar 2017 #324
IKR! But sometimes it needs to be reinforced charlyvi Mar 2017 #326
But nothing matters since certain posters were still in their Buster Browns! SMC22307 Mar 2017 #331
Here is a thread I recently started about Iran-Contra and its relation to what is happening today. StevieM Mar 2017 #186
Thanks, that's a rational analysis. JHan Mar 2017 #192
"Iran-Contra taught the Republicans that they can get away with anything." SMC22307 Mar 2017 #294
Let's not forget the destruction of Acorn. StevieM Mar 2017 #185
Ugh, yes. PERFECT example. SMC22307 Mar 2017 #296
Thanks. pat_k Mar 2017 #188
Absolutely no one in this thread is saying to ignore history... JHan Mar 2017 #197
Someone who can rationalization doing nothing to stop torture... pat_k Mar 2017 #205
What are you going to impeach him on right now as of this moment? JHan Mar 2017 #207
For starters... pat_k Mar 2017 #212
that doesn't answer the question about impeachment: JHan Mar 2017 #237
I have answered the question. pat_k Mar 2017 #276
And secondly, your accusations that Democrats have not made the moral case for issues... JHan Mar 2017 #200
I didn't say "Democrats" I said "Democratic Leadership"... pat_k Mar 2017 #203
I don't understand that assessment.. JHan Mar 2017 #206
Who said anything about demonizing corporations? pat_k Mar 2017 #210
You said it, JHan Mar 2017 #241
All good pat_k Mar 2017 #274
Ok. I get that.. JHan Mar 2017 #285
Good post. My awareness started with seeing the body bags from Vietnam... SMC22307 Mar 2017 #300
And that diminishes it... how? (n/t) SMC22307 Mar 2017 #141
if you want to whip the democratic party over some shit over 3 decades ago here.. hell.. JHan Mar 2017 #145
Newsflash: It *ain't* all about you... things are CRITICAL right now for all ages. SMC22307 Mar 2017 #148
I just answered all this in the other post. JHan Mar 2017 #149
I was not of age to vote then, but I was alive at least. herding cats Mar 2017 #211
You two are both blind to why trying to fight Trump with Democratic politicians ProfessorPlum Mar 2017 #270
Funny how the folks with the least wins think they have all the answers on winning bravenak Mar 2017 #271
Funny how the folks that keep losing...House,....Senate.....SCOTUS......State governorships... LiberalLovinLug Mar 2017 #289
"Build it and they will come." pat_k Mar 2017 #397
Excellent, JH.. and Just to be Clear about the "extreme left".. "not" giving us trump as the OP .. Cha Mar 2017 #97
they should collectively slap themselves. JHan Mar 2017 #113
They should most certainly give a shit.. but they don't. Cha Mar 2017 #114
+2 betsuni Mar 2017 #106
+1000 sheshe2 Mar 2017 #142
The point is to get more of us to run locally to get in. Not forcing ones already in to vote no. haele Mar 2017 #325
It is possible to walk and chew gum at the same time. pat_k Mar 2017 #333
In our system apathy is not an unreasonable response. eniwetok Mar 2017 #433
I would LOVE to see instant runoff/ ranked choice voting in primaries!! pat_k Mar 2017 #443
We need DEMOCRATIC elections... and IRV is crucial... eniwetok Mar 2017 #453
YES!! pat_k Mar 2017 #458
are you really thinking this through? eniwetok Mar 2017 #485
My only point is that absent clarity and sufficient consensus on basic principles, there... pat_k Mar 2017 #486
there's will be no snowball effect... eniwetok Mar 2017 #489
I am an optimist at heart. pat_k Mar 2017 #493
where's the evidence Dems believe in.... eniwetok Mar 2017 #509
It is to get more voters treestar Mar 2017 #77
Dems will get more voters if the Dem leadership... pat_k Mar 2017 #283
+1000! mcar Mar 2017 #52
It's tiresome. It's why I'm trying to pull myself away from here bravenak Mar 2017 #66
Haven't we learned anything? mcar Mar 2017 #73
Me too. I'm at the point of simply ignoring them and not giving them traction anymore bravenak Mar 2017 #86
This thread is alive and well in spite of your "ignoring them"... SMC22307 Mar 2017 #304
Bashing? pat_k Mar 2017 #82
thankyou pat_k for facing the storm paralized paranoid thinkers. LiberalLovinLug Mar 2017 #110
Nothing brings out the claws more than... SMC22307 Mar 2017 #160
excellent post, excellent point ProfessorPlum Mar 2017 #273
Amen Bravenak! Justice Mar 2017 #182
you could say the same for people who want to spend their energy taking it to the "far left." Which JCanete Mar 2017 #214
I can't help but wonder how many... pat_k Mar 2017 #218
I wouldn't say it. We are fighting republicans constantly while they simply fight us bravenak Mar 2017 #291
that isn't true of this poster, and he's listed that over and over. It isn't true that nobody is JCanete Mar 2017 #298
Get your head out of the sand. SMC22307 Mar 2017 #290
All you have all insults.. maybe you just heed your own orders. Cha Mar 2017 #386
can you agree we should reform to fight Trump HARD??? Fast Walker 52 Mar 2017 #92
And, trying to absolve jill stein's LIES and part ownership of trump. Cha Mar 2017 #17
Jill Stein has never been a friend of the democratic party bravenak Mar 2017 #24
If you bothered to actually read anything I've posted... pat_k Mar 2017 #45
All you have are insults.."The "extreme left" didn't give us Trump" stein owns a Chunk of it.. Cha Mar 2017 #60
Where did you get the bizarre idea... pat_k Mar 2017 #67
The "extreme left" was part owner of giving us trump. Cha Mar 2017 #71
Stein would be completely irrelevant to this discussion Warpy Mar 2017 #80
You're wrong.. stein won by more in Michigan, Pennsylvania, & Wisconsin Cha Mar 2017 #89
I'll say it again Warpy Mar 2017 #117
She LIED to get those votes... stein is a russian stooge.. if she were Cha Mar 2017 #390
Nailed it. Our outlooks and behaviors define Hortensis Mar 2017 #19
Yeah, I see they feeling themselves today bravenak Mar 2017 #22
They need to feel shame for their part in electing 45, Hortensis Mar 2017 #35
They will never feel bad for or admit their part in that bravenak Mar 2017 #39
Silence would be great, and maybe they'll dislike Hortensis Mar 2017 #53
Oh yeah. That gets me bravenak Mar 2017 #61
What "They" are you talking about? pat_k Mar 2017 #398
How many meetings with Members of Congress have you attended? pat_k Mar 2017 #57
So did you tell them their failure to impeach treestar Mar 2017 #232
The "Do you know who am AM?" defense is hilarious. betsuni Mar 2017 #235
Also assuming no one else here has done anything like it mcar Mar 2017 #247
No assumption. Just wondering. pat_k Mar 2017 #278
No. Focused on eliciting, and challenging, the rationalizations for inaction. pat_k Mar 2017 #277
There are many reasons why Hillary lost. kacekwl Mar 2017 #29
I want to hear ideas from people who know how to win and know who the enemy is. bravenak Mar 2017 #55
That would seem to support the OP's point then. Gore1FL Mar 2017 #91
And how has kicking Dems in the ass been a winner? It hasn't. The far left as not racked up bravenak Mar 2017 #100
I wish someone would have kicked them into useful action long before now. Gore1FL Mar 2017 #102
I long for the far left to help or be silent. bravenak Mar 2017 #104
Maybe I am just old enough to remember when Democrats didn't buy into Reaganomics. Gore1FL Mar 2017 #107
+1 Go Vols Mar 2017 #134
Thank You Gore1FL pat_k Mar 2017 #217
Hey, there are still six states to lose! SMC22307 Mar 2017 #307
The graphic below, since 1995, is not something to be proud of. SMC22307 Mar 2017 #309
thanks! pat_k Mar 2017 #64
And, one reason is "extreme left" jill stein's LIES who owns a chunk of trump... Cha Mar 2017 #75
Takeoff on that old Broadway hit: "A funny thing happened on the way to Democratic Underground". George II Mar 2017 #33
lol bravenak Mar 2017 #59
Your response blows chunks ProfessorPlum Mar 2017 #260
They love it so much that they refuse to fight trump bravenak Mar 2017 #266
who is "they" ? ProfessorPlum Mar 2017 #268
If you dont know... That's too bad, cause I don't have time to repeat myself all day. bravenak Mar 2017 #269
you apparently have more than enough time ProfessorPlum Mar 2017 #275
Not for you today. No time. Got class. bravenak Mar 2017 #280
"We can learn from RW wingnuts" ? bettyellen Mar 2017 #3
Not sure what the question is. pat_k Mar 2017 #12
I've commented several times, only once here, about my disappointment that single notdarkyet Mar 2017 #48
THERE WERE NEVER ENOUGH VOTES FOR SINGLE PAYER! sheshe2 Mar 2017 #69
Forget single payer! cannabis_flower Mar 2017 #93
The public option was killed because of Joe Lieberman, that was his price for his vote betsuni Mar 2017 #120
This drives me nuts. How do people not know this? betsuni Mar 2017 #121
I am beyond angry. sheshe2 Mar 2017 #123
Just because you can't win you don't try? Exilednight Mar 2017 #127
Do the math. sheshe2 Mar 2017 #132
Okay, let's follow your logic to its logical conclusion. Exilednight Mar 2017 #227
Seems to be a deafening silence in response. pat_k Mar 2017 #401
Really pat? sheshe2 Mar 2017 #497
Apologies pat_k Mar 2017 #498
We were talking about ACA! sheshe2 Mar 2017 #496
I didn't put words in your mouth, I just followed your logic. Exilednight Mar 2017 #510
They should not be blaming the Dems but out there treestar Mar 2017 #234
So, free the leaders of the burden of leading? pat_k Mar 2017 #402
We have the push the other voters treestar Mar 2017 #431
Of course, but it's possible to "walk and chew gum" at the same time. pat_k Mar 2017 #445
I do not understand why you are so antagonistic to Dems. sheshe2 Mar 2017 #499
Bottom up/Top Down pat_k Mar 2017 #500
Utterly and completely irrelevant. You're putting the cart before the horse. pat_k Mar 2017 #400
but those who attack obama and other dems for it do NOT fight for it either JI7 Mar 2017 #198
I don't live in Colorado. Exilednight Mar 2017 #219
"Everyone loves an underdog, but everyone hates a quitter." pat_k Mar 2017 #494
While I agree that single payer didn't have a chance NewJeffCT Mar 2017 #256
You prove the OP's point ProfessorPlum Mar 2017 #429
Which is why you make the case... pat_k Mar 2017 #495
And keep talking about it! pat_k Mar 2017 #201
Universal Health Care must be front and center. pat_k Mar 2017 #399
Great post! True Dough Mar 2017 #511
True. And if we don't make the case -- loud and proud -- we will never generate the political will. pat_k Mar 2017 #512
Not just a great post... True Dough Mar 2017 #514
One thing I've learned is that... pat_k Mar 2017 #518
I read the entire post True Dough Mar 2017 #523
Apologies for length pat_k Mar 2017 #527
As well as constantly trying to reach out to right wing lunatics RoadhogRidesAgain Mar 2017 #4
Yes. The notion that it's a left/moderate/right divide is flat wrong. pat_k Mar 2017 #14
The extreme left did give us trump.. Cha Mar 2017 #109
I didn't vote for Stien RoadhogRidesAgain Mar 2017 #125
agreed! gopiscrap Mar 2017 #5
All that and not a single line about racist vote suppression Starry Messenger Mar 2017 #6
I agree MountCleaners Mar 2017 #13
Sorry I don't explicitly list all the things I work for in one post. pat_k Mar 2017 #36
+1000 brer cat Mar 2017 #18
"Astounding" that I don't list every issue in every single post? pat_k Mar 2017 #199
You've been around long enough. pat_k Mar 2017 #26
+1000. Hortensis Mar 2017 #28
In re: my supposed bigotry, see post #36 pat_k Mar 2017 #475
I noticed that too. bettyellen Mar 2017 #51
See post #36 pat_k Mar 2017 #474
Right.. or that jill stein Gave us trump.. Cha Mar 2017 #112
Regarding my supposed bigotry, see Post #36 pat_k Mar 2017 #473
We've been losing ground for forty years truebluegreen Mar 2017 #126
Oh, and BTW, mass incarceration, pat_k Mar 2017 #136
in their world there is no racism . JI7 Mar 2017 #150
See post #36 pat_k Mar 2017 #472
+1 La Lioness Priyanka Mar 2017 #444
See post #36 pat_k Mar 2017 #471
Agree. An example of the contrast is Inslee and WA delegation stand against travel ban. suffragette Mar 2017 #7
Hey Suffragette!! pat_k Mar 2017 #476
While I think your rant is a wee bit 'over the top' Stonepounder Mar 2017 #8
It is Democratic Party brer cat Mar 2017 #15
... sheshe2 Mar 2017 #27
Really mcar Mar 2017 #58
It happens to be.. The Democratic Party, Stonepounder.. and jill stein owns Cha Mar 2017 #62
Cory Booker is 44, Chris Murphy is 39, Kamala Harris is 52, moonscape Mar 2017 #87
The extreme left caused Reagan, Bush I and Bush II, throw in Nixon and Ford. Blue_true Mar 2017 #11
You will not absolve jill stein's LIES.. she owns a chunk of trump and those who got suckered.. Cha Mar 2017 #16
Sing it, sister! brer cat Mar 2017 #21
Yeah, let's get some ******* Reality here. Cha Mar 2017 #31
We don't have time for this shit. brer cat Mar 2017 #37
No, we do not have time for this BLAME the DEMS game Absolve Cha Mar 2017 #54
Like Ralph Nader in 2000, lapucelle Mar 2017 #63
I wonder if any investigation brer cat Mar 2017 #78
We also would't have Chief Justice Roberts, lapucelle Mar 2017 #81
+1 treestar Mar 2017 #79
Why are you conflating the poster's points with Jill Stein? Gore1FL Mar 2017 #99
Beating a fucking dead horse. alarimer Mar 2017 #245
Tell that to fucking jill stein Cha Mar 2017 #249
Gary Johnson (L) was the much bigger issue... SMC22307 Mar 2017 #313
Lame Blame Game Dem2 Mar 2017 #20
was this the inspiration? DonCoquixote Mar 2017 #32
Yes. pat_k Mar 2017 #220
You forgot to add this: George II Mar 2017 #34
... brer cat Mar 2017 #41
. George II Mar 2017 #43
THIS sheshe2 Mar 2017 #72
Baloney, this is entirely the fault of the extreme left. Foamfollower Mar 2017 #38
Not so. warmfeet Mar 2017 #56
Yep Go Vols Mar 2017 #76
No they didn't Gore1FL Mar 2017 #94
No, 308,000 Bush-voting Florida Democrats gave us Duyba. SMC22307 Mar 2017 #166
This obvious fact will never be addressed by Third Way apologists. BlueWI Mar 2017 #505
Mostly disagree. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2017 #42
Excellent points. You'll get flamed. Hang in there n/t leftstreet Mar 2017 #44
So someone didn't get their pony so they figure screw everyone else? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2017 #47
A little too much hyperbole, but I agree with the poster. PatrickforO Mar 2017 #49
AMEN! nt Susan Calvin Mar 2017 #306
The extreme left that voted for Bush in Florida in 2000? The extreme left that picked Reagan? Rex Mar 2017 #50
any proof any of that treestar Mar 2017 #74
Could we at least start bu calling crimes "crimes"? nt Gore1FL Mar 2017 #96
Agree. They have good zentrum Mar 2017 #84
I agree with much of what you say. Voter apathy is consequence. jalan48 Mar 2017 #85
The Sane "Progressive" Makes the Exact Same Points! TomCADem Mar 2017 #95
Turned it off after she said both sides. FUCK RON PAUL. Raine1967 Mar 2017 #128
The So-Called "Sane" Progressive... LovingA2andMI Mar 2017 #161
You nailed it emulatorloo Mar 2017 #254
My brother has a very good theory about company names and monikers BainsBane Mar 2017 #365
Jill Stein spoiled the 2016 election for Hillary Clinton.. there goes your premise.. Cha Mar 2017 #101
I blame James Comey a lot more than I do Jill Stein. StevieM Mar 2017 #336
Oh comey was at fault too but the LIES stein told and in Swing States Cost us the election.. Cha Mar 2017 #339
I don't dispute that Stein, like Nader, cost us the presidency. StevieM Mar 2017 #344
You are correct, of course. Too many here don't remember when the Democrats weren't cowards Gore1FL Mar 2017 #115
as opposed to...what exactly? Chitown Kev Mar 2017 #118
As opposed to democrats who cower in a corner and cry "don't hurt me." nt Gore1FL Mar 2017 #124
Also, as much as I love Obama, I also criticize him for not calling out the Republicans enough Akamai Mar 2017 #122
K&R burrowowl Mar 2017 #129
The push to convince us we can only be center right to alt-right is well underway. It's brewens Mar 2017 #131
Another "Show us on the dolly where the Democratic Party touched you" post. betsuni Mar 2017 #133
everytime they post things like that on the internet they feel like tough rebels JI7 Mar 2017 #151
yes mike_c Mar 2017 #137
LOLOLOL, So White people supported Trump because REagan,Bush etc wasn't impeached , indicted Etc ? JI7 Mar 2017 #153
I don't know whether to laugh or cry, but note the absolution this gives to racist whites. nt msanthrope Mar 2017 #419
I understand where youre coming from. But since we cant go back, we must go forward and keep this caroldansen Mar 2017 #154
I don't think anyone in particular gave us The Con. For DECADES I've been told we should elect napi21 Mar 2017 #156
Good, honest post. KPN Mar 2017 #164
It's not really 'so many' that take it personally melman Mar 2017 #168
All you have are insults.. you need to take a look at yourself. Cha Mar 2017 #172
"The usual group of obnoxious trolls that has made this place so unbearable." betsuni Mar 2017 #174
Yeah, sounds like projection to me. Cha Mar 2017 #178
It is! Typical. betsuni Mar 2017 #184
... SMC22307 Mar 2017 #316
Post removed Post removed Mar 2017 #317
No, it is not a "good honest post".. the first sentence is wrong.. Cha Mar 2017 #175
Lets just say we disagree. KPN Mar 2017 #371
Brave words on DU at this time. But I agree. Crunchy Frog Mar 2017 #169
Meanwhile people are going to die. herding cats Mar 2017 #189
Excellent Post, herding cats! Some freaking Reality.. How Refreshing even Cha Mar 2017 #194
Thanks, Cha. herding cats Mar 2017 #202
I know.. it seems ridiculous to me.. lets blame the Dems because Cha Mar 2017 #204
Ridiculous, that's an excellent choice of words. herding cats Mar 2017 #208
+1 betsuni Mar 2017 #195
Yep, and the excuse from the OP and those that agree with them for not opposing this is that those stevenleser Mar 2017 #436
Excuse for not opposing what? pat_k Mar 2017 #469
No, it is not the extreme left and who is the extreme left by your akbacchus_BC Mar 2017 #196
Here's the post I'm responding to: pat_k Mar 2017 #216
Albeit late but thanks for your response. In hindsight, trump promised people things he akbacchus_BC Mar 2017 #378
You have no moral high ground BainsBane Mar 2017 #209
exactly, black members get no recognition JI7 Mar 2017 #213
Re-read my post. pat_k Mar 2017 #223
Congress, and only Congress, can Impeach. pat_k Mar 2017 #215
Your argument still lacks logic BainsBane Mar 2017 #222
Standing ovation betsuni Mar 2017 #224
Re-read my post. pat_k Mar 2017 #221
You are justifying collaboration with the right in electing Trump BainsBane Mar 2017 #225
The hell I am. pat_k Mar 2017 #226
Your phrase "self-entitled ourgeoisie" to describe the "left" who voted against Hillary delisen Mar 2017 #239
Please quote something I said that does any of the things you claim I'm doing. pat_k Mar 2017 #284
Nixon was forced from office nolabels Mar 2017 #230
I don't usually. . . pat_k Mar 2017 #281
Eight or ten years ago things were much more worthwhile at DU nolabels Mar 2017 #312
Yes, "back in the day"... pat_k Mar 2017 #332
+100000000 treestar Mar 2017 #228
Thread win! mcar Mar 2017 #248
Excellent series of posts. emulatorloo Mar 2017 #252
your response is cowardly ProfessorPlum Mar 2017 #261
mostly white men who see attacks on minorities as strength JI7 Mar 2017 #292
that's bull ProfessorPlum Mar 2017 #295
lol. they do and white men mostly go for the bigots. thats why they still approve of trump JI7 Mar 2017 #319
What they respond to is STRENGTH ProfessorPlum Mar 2017 #357
What does Donald Trump believe? BainsBane Mar 2017 #362
I'm not talking about revolutionaries ProfessorPlum Mar 2017 #416
yes, they agree with hating and attacks on minorities. that's what matters to them . Trump is strong JI7 Mar 2017 #369
Strength doesn't have to be tied to racism ProfessorPlum Mar 2017 #413
if strength is truth than trumps bigotry is truth JI7 Mar 2017 #430
Keep fighting that strawman. ProfessorPlum Mar 2017 #434
they voted for an openly racist candidate and continue to support him JI7 Mar 2017 #438
and what does that have to do with Democrats fighting hard ProfessorPlum Mar 2017 #439
because it's important to know where voters stand if you want their votes JI7 Mar 2017 #440
right. And your thesis is that racism is more enticing than strength/dominance behavior ProfessorPlum Mar 2017 #441
in their case it's about racism. many who voted Hillary saw her as strong JI7 Mar 2017 #442
I saw her as pretty strong myself. ProfessorPlum Mar 2017 #446
that was before Obama became president. with non white people JI7 Mar 2017 #451
I'm going to explain this to you one more time, slowly, just in case we can have a meeting ProfessorPlum Mar 2017 #454
you need to first admit they are bigots then it's not difficult to understand JI7 Mar 2017 #456
Of course there are bigots, and reactionaries, and authoritarians... pat_k Mar 2017 #466
There is "Strong and Wrong" and "Strong and Right" pat_k Mar 2017 #465
"Strength is truth, spoken with conviction, framed in a moral matrix, and backed up by action" pat_k Mar 2017 #460
Strength, like Donald Trump? BainsBane Mar 2017 #361
What in the fucking hell are you going on about? ProfessorPlum Mar 2017 #414
They are being very vocal BainsBane Mar 2017 #515
You are objectively pro-fascist ProfessorPlum Mar 2017 #516
Of course your response isn't "cowardly".. all they have ignornant insults Cha Mar 2017 #264
And I'm sure that defending those victims meekly ProfessorPlum Mar 2017 #418
Oh, good grief! NurseJackie Mar 2017 #231
That OP is an example of the propoganda against Democrats Progressive dog Mar 2017 #233
No it is not. pat_k Mar 2017 #470
I read what you said here. Progressive dog Mar 2017 #479
"Apparently even to you???" pat_k Mar 2017 #483
you wrote "This is NOT about 'bashing'" Progressive dog Mar 2017 #502
Yeah, um, no. The extreme left gave us Jill Stein. It also gives us calls 2 primary current Dems msanthrope Mar 2017 #236
No, that road was paved by presumed "democrats" (not Democrats).... George II Mar 2017 #240
Don't forget the DLC and Third Way nonsense. alarimer Mar 2017 #242
+1,000. HughBeaumont Mar 2017 #253
The DLC hasn't been in existence for more than six years. How could they have driven people away... George II Mar 2017 #257
They need to get up to speed with their insulting labels. Cha Mar 2017 #262
It's all Harry Truman's fault. George II Mar 2017 #263
Senator Joe Lieberman (D), 2008 John McCain (R) supporter... SMC22307 Mar 2017 #328
you really should let that go. Hillary won me over just like she Cha Mar 2017 #425
Or not. pat_k Mar 2017 #342
Twenty-six years of damage is not easily undone. SMC22307 Mar 2017 #327
"Third-way" was born out of the leadership's fear of "backlash".. pat_k Mar 2017 #341
Totally Disagree with you! DownriverDem Mar 2017 #250
Not sure what post you are responding to... pat_k Mar 2017 #338
A lot of people don't want to admit that the dems had any responsibility in this clusterfuck. CrispyQ Mar 2017 #255
Hear fucking hear ProfessorPlum Mar 2017 #259
Thank you so much! pat_k Mar 2017 #337
glad to be able to help, in some small way ProfessorPlum Mar 2017 #358
if they fight to go after black and brown people. Trump supporters LOVE JI7 Mar 2017 #372
Do you/others really think that strength equals racism? ProfessorPlum Mar 2017 #417
Grab them by the pussy Strength JI7 Mar 2017 #373
Say what you will about the Oaf of Office ProfessorPlum Mar 2017 #412
NONSENSE ALERT!!! eniwetok Mar 2017 #267
And if more of us... pat_k Mar 2017 #335
if you're blaming the Dems for not reforming the Constitution.... eniwetok Mar 2017 #363
Did you even bother to look at the link?? pat_k Mar 2017 #368
I'm well aware of the NPV... what's your point? eniwetok Mar 2017 #376
Spot on! Fantastic Anarchist Mar 2017 #297
Maybe that's why the GOP is winning elections Trumpocalypse Mar 2017 #424
Your assumption is weak. Fantastic Anarchist Mar 2017 #426
Not an assumption Trumpocalypse Mar 2017 #508
I don't know, but to me it sure seems like voter apathy put... iscooterliberally Mar 2017 #310
In my view... pat_k Mar 2017 #320
Understood. I actually signed up as a Democrat because or Bernie Sanders & Elizabeth Warren. iscooterliberally Mar 2017 #437
The OP you are referring to is total garbage. Rex Mar 2017 #311
Oh you're wrong, Rex.. dead wrong. There was no "revisionist" history Cha Mar 2017 #340
Thanks to all who Recommended! pat_k Mar 2017 #334
Of of all the reasons to pick Eko Mar 2017 #343
"Strong and Wrong" v. Weak and Right" v. "Strong and Right" pat_k Mar 2017 #346
Sure, what you are saying is correct to a point. Eko Mar 2017 #349
What? Where am i "asking us to be wrong.."?? pat_k Mar 2017 #360
These people were "weak but right" Eko Mar 2017 #352
Are you kidding? Those people are icons of strength! pat_k Mar 2017 #359
Mahalo, Eko! Cha Mar 2017 #348
nope, Eko Mar 2017 #350
This thread has twice the recs Go Vols Mar 2017 #366
Cha and Bravenak, thanks for doing a Great Job keeping the OP kicked!! pat_k Mar 2017 #367
Let me put it to you another way BainsBane Mar 2017 #380
"You and others had repeatedly argued that the left didn't affect the election results in any way." pat_k Mar 2017 #384
Damn the torpedos ... Go Vols Mar 2017 #385
That post does not support what you claim BainsBane Mar 2017 #391
No, I said none of that. pat_k Mar 2017 #394
Let's review then BainsBane Mar 2017 #396
Are you kidding? pat_k Mar 2017 #403
Non responsive. Nt BainsBane Mar 2017 #406
P.S. pat_k Mar 2017 #404
I asked a simple question BainsBane Mar 2017 #405
A request for a tally of votes lost the party over three decades is NOT "a simple question." pat_k Mar 2017 #407
I told you I was not asking for a tally BainsBane Mar 2017 #408
No pat_k Mar 2017 #409
"The extreme left didn't give us Trump" BainsBane Mar 2017 #410
This is pointless. pat_k Mar 2017 #411
You have an aversion to logic BainsBane Mar 2017 #415
You are being intentionally obtuse. pat_k Mar 2017 #420
It's a War on Logic. betsuni Mar 2017 #423
Deleted reply to wrong post pat_k Mar 2017 #477
Logic based on erroneous assumptions is fatally flawed. pat_k Mar 2017 #478
I've never made that claim either, and I've had a few recent conversations with you on this topic. JCanete Mar 2017 #447
Take the hint BainsBane Mar 2017 #448
You don't have to be interested. It's still here if other people are. Personally, I find it JCanete Mar 2017 #452
I appreciate the post. pat_k Mar 2017 #481
that is going to be very hard to do. It just takes continuing to be patient i think, and putting in JCanete Mar 2017 #501
Takes a lot of work to count up everyone's posts in a thread. But... George II Mar 2017 #457
Nah. Pull the "index" into a table and sort by poster. Piece of cake. pat_k Mar 2017 #459
I want to thank them too, for proving your assertions wrong so all can see. nt stevenleser Mar 2017 #534
See #532 pat_k Mar 2017 #536
The "extreme left" was only reason #3 for Trump Ruy Lopez Mar 2017 #379
Except there is significant overlap BainsBane Mar 2017 #381
Let me know how Ruy Lopez Mar 2017 #388
The overlap BainsBane Mar 2017 #392
You must have misread my post Ruy Lopez Mar 2017 #528
You mentioned voters motivated by race BainsBane Mar 2017 #530
I think I see where the misunderstanding comes from Ruy Lopez Mar 2017 #531
Both reasons pale in comparison. pat_k Mar 2017 #387
Bill Clinton's campaign mantra: "It's the economy, stupid" Ruy Lopez Mar 2017 #389
The alt-left certainly did help. democratisphere Mar 2017 #421
Of course. As did low participation, and many other factors... See Post #525 pat_k Mar 2017 #526
if stein voters weren't extreme left...then who is?...every vote for her was a vote for trump beachbum bob Mar 2017 #427
What paved the road to the "balance point"? pat_k Mar 2017 #449
Exactly what comprises the monolithic "party leadership" circa 1985-2017? lapucelle Mar 2017 #482
It will take me awhile to dig up quotes from the leadership... pat_k Mar 2017 #484
Why not simply define what you mean by "leadership"? lapucelle Mar 2017 #487
Sorry. Thought that was a given. pat_k Mar 2017 #488
You forgot "president" lapucelle Mar 2017 #490
Of course... pat_k Mar 2017 #491
I feel this thing needs a musical interlude. betsuni Mar 2017 #428
LOL Grieg never knew treestar Mar 2017 #432
Nope, wishing doesn't make it so. There is no evidence for what you write. You just want it to be stevenleser Mar 2017 #435
See Post #449 pat_k Mar 2017 #450
I saw it. Just more wishing to make it so. All unproven wild assertions. nt stevenleser Mar 2017 #532
So, it was right to... pat_k Mar 2017 #535
Strong, well-conceived OP. I'd toss in also the bandwidth and high ground our leadership loses JudyM Mar 2017 #506
The Democrats lost because they hollowed out their principles. backscatter712 Mar 2017 #507
Yes they did...they are spoilers who refuse to face reality and consider winning strategies...they Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #513
See Post #393 pat_k Mar 2017 #519
Every eligible voter who didn't vote for Clinton gave us this. dawg Mar 2017 #517
See Post #393 pat_k Mar 2017 #520
Um ... yeah, I already saw that one. dawg Mar 2017 #522
Our primaries are great places to start ranked choice. pat_k Mar 2017 #524
What manner of absurd infighting is this? VOX Mar 2017 #529
Yes. The beating up on the so-called "extreme left" needs to stop (nt) pat_k Mar 2017 #533
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