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Turbineguy

(37,206 posts)
78. They like to believe they have
Mon Apr 3, 2017, 10:30 AM
Apr 2017

free will. They voted for trump because they analyzed the choices carefully, made a rational decision and did not do what the Russians or Fox News told them to do.

It could also be that the Democratic party was manipulated into running Hillary Clinton because she was an easy target. While she was obviously the best qualified for the job by any metric, she was also easy to target for the hate and gut response of the lizard brain right. None of the other candidates evoked such a strong negative response. Many years of anti-Clinton propaganda insured this. This was the problem with Sanders, sure, he was a socialist, but he did not have nearly three decades of manufactured right-wing hate to bring to the table.

The Russians are good at this. They are slow and patient. They kept a terrible system functioning for 70 years. In our case, they've been working on this since at least the late 70's. The slow degradation of the republican party, shifting to be in control of what used to be called "the lunatic fringe". Trump coming along was manna from heaven. Everything was already in place.

This election wasn't based on any rational thought. In fact the object was to avoid it. The Russians built the clock and they know how it ticks.

Because they enjoy mocking her. hrmjustin Apr 2017 #1
Yes, that. MineralMan Apr 2017 #2
If you remember the talking points Wellstone ruled Apr 2017 #7
And because Putin hates Hillary and feared her. Eliot Rosewater Apr 2017 #30
That's exactly right. They really seem to enjoy abusing her. And that is what their treatment StevieM Apr 2017 #32
It supports that she was given the raw end of the stick. forgotmylogin Apr 2017 #81
why do hillary supporters will not admit she ran okieinpain Apr 2017 #3
many/most of them do admit the campaign was flawed Fast Walker 52 Apr 2017 #6
I don't think most of us do. I think every campaign is flawed in some way, including Barack Obama's StevieM Apr 2017 #40
Amazing how we expect flawless perfection lapucelle Apr 2017 #45
I didn't expect perfection okieinpain Apr 2017 #63
During both the primaries and the general, lapucelle Apr 2017 #68
i just get tired of people letting HRC and the DNC off the hook. okieinpain Apr 2017 #84
I'm not sure what hook lapucelle Apr 2017 #85
i disagree. i think HRC had a bad campaign and to me okieinpain Apr 2017 #87
I worked the ground game in a swing state. lapucelle Apr 2017 #88
Because she didn't. Squinch Apr 2017 #11
Thank you. nt jrthin Apr 2017 #26
Agree! Guilded Lilly Apr 2017 #80
Remember what a dreadful campaign Gore ran; and Kerry ran an even worse one? delisen Apr 2017 #12
It was such a bad campaign that murielm99 Apr 2017 #17
She had a great convention, in spite of the Russians' best efforts, and she won all the debates. StevieM Apr 2017 #42
oh that sentence ... Ohioblue22 Apr 2017 #20
lol, don't worry about the grammer, you get my meaning. n/t. okieinpain Apr 2017 #83
Her campaign was not bad like people make it out to be. hrmjustin Apr 2017 #36
Because I think she ran a great campaign. But the FBI rigged the whole thing against her, much worse StevieM Apr 2017 #38
If it hadn't been a recurring issue, Igel Apr 2017 #44
the security issue is complete bullocks dsc Apr 2017 #53
The Justice dept. had a long standing policy never to make announcements like that pnwmom Apr 2017 #70
Her campaign in many ways was great. Fatal flaw was media relations​ sharedvalues Apr 2017 #54
Not really. She got 3M more votes despite Russians, Crosscheck, Comey... brush Apr 2017 #60
If Comey hadn't dropped his letter bomb during early voting, she would have won by 3 million votes pnwmom Apr 2017 #69
Maybe because she didn't...she ran a very good campaign...nt joeybee12 Apr 2017 #77
Same reason you would protect your child or pet if they did something bad. You wouldnt caroldansen Apr 2017 #4
"Could they possibly be hiding money in Russia..." lapucelle Apr 2017 #46
I think it's because some people with legit disagreements with HRC ... aikoaiko Apr 2017 #5
well, that makes sense... hadn't thought of that Fast Walker 52 Apr 2017 #9
I can't speak for GG but more for the rank and file. aikoaiko Apr 2017 #10
MSNBC in S. Carolina this morning SCVDem Apr 2017 #8
You don't mean the GWC58 Apr 2017 #14
Not only the russian influence... Tribalceltic Apr 2017 #13
Nobody wants to admit they were duped by Vladimir Putin and his Int. Fake News Empire delisen Apr 2017 #15
I see what you did there. Control-Z Apr 2017 #19
Because some of them were Russian agents. McCamy Taylor Apr 2017 #16
It is difficult to admit that one has been manipulated into bringing about a national tragedy delisen Apr 2017 #18
disagree about greenwald being unknoWning JI7 Apr 2017 #25
They are fascists and thus love Pootie. roamer65 Apr 2017 #21
Did you do some sort of scientific study and statistial analysis? L. Coyote Apr 2017 #22
I'll put it this way... every lefty/independent reporter who previously criticized HRC and the CF Fast Walker 52 Apr 2017 #39
Because it negates their argument that she lost because she was a bad candidate. nt Maven Apr 2017 #23
yeah, definitely part of it Fast Walker 52 Apr 2017 #34
Because the woman in the shawl with Putin and Flynn is Jill Stein Recursion Apr 2017 #24
Bingo. I think Stein has something to do with the hacking. Mrs. Overall Apr 2017 #29
hmmm, what do they say? Fast Walker 52 Apr 2017 #33
In my case, they said "Security!" Recursion Apr 2017 #35
Wow, that's sad... Fast Walker 52 Apr 2017 #41
You notice that pattern to still_one Apr 2017 #27
Because the propaganda, now called fake news, works. Lint Head Apr 2017 #28
On twitter they say Democrats chose a bad, losing candidate (because Bernie).They Kahuna7 Apr 2017 #31
If you want a historic perspective that has little to do with current events HoneyBadger Apr 2017 #37
I think the Russia stuff is very real. Kentonio Apr 2017 #43
of course, I agree with you although Fast Walker 52 Apr 2017 #72
I'd treat anyone with suspicion who denies the Russia links now. Kentonio Apr 2017 #74
Because they don't want to face the fact that they were played lapucelle Apr 2017 #47
Or in some small way complicit. Orsino Apr 2017 #49
assholes maybe? Demonaut Apr 2017 #48
Stop sugar-coating it! lapucelle Apr 2017 #50
They are covering for the boss Renew Deal Apr 2017 #51
Their feelings of guilt over their GULLIBILITY! TheDebbieDee Apr 2017 #52
This. Lisa0825 Apr 2017 #55
Because they still hate Hillary and the Russian stuff was made up by the lame stream media? Mr. Ected Apr 2017 #56
They are Russian trolls..... Historic NY Apr 2017 #57
Feeling grumpy? just needed to snipe? HopeAgain Apr 2017 #58
NO, not trying to pick a fight and I'm not grumpy. I thought it was a striking correlation Fast Walker 52 Apr 2017 #71
It's not about Hillary anymore alwaysinflux Apr 2017 #59
Greenwald is pro-Russia oberliner Apr 2017 #61
They believe the Russian propaganda. Ilsa Apr 2017 #62
Why do you say people hate Hillary? L. Coyote Apr 2017 #64
it was just an easy term to use in the title, admittedly not the best term Fast Walker 52 Apr 2017 #73
Because the only conspiracies they don't believe are true ones. betsuni Apr 2017 #65
Don't forget Pawns for Putin, stein.. they're all Cha Apr 2017 #66
Because they want to. nikibatts Apr 2017 #67
Great responses here. I've noticed that, too. R B Garr Apr 2017 #75
Refusing to admit they were wrong. DetlefK Apr 2017 #76
They like to believe they have Turbineguy Apr 2017 #78
The Hillary haters do not want to belive that this was an illegitimate election... asuhornets Apr 2017 #79
Because they're in the tank... Blue_Tires Apr 2017 #82
In some cases, the math is too much for them Orrex Apr 2017 #86
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