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beam me up scottie

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140. Moving the goalposts again. You claimed he said "corporations are evil".
Mon Apr 17, 2017, 01:43 AM
Apr 2017

Trying to amend your previous claim is a logical fallacy:

Moving the goalposts is an informal logical fallacy in which previously agreed upon standards for deciding an argument are arbitrarily changed once they have been met. This is usually done by the "losing" side of an argument in a desperate bid to save face. If the goalposts are moved far enough, then the standards can eventually evolve[1] into something that cannot be met no matter what (or anything will meet said standard if the losing side is trying to meet the standard using this tactic). Usually such a tactic is spotted quickly. Often, moving the goalposts is an exercise in slothful induction.

The fallacy is an ad hoc fallacy and an informal fallacy.


I'm not the one abusing logic here.

You didn't say:

Bernie never talked about evil corporations.


Your exact words were:

it was Bernie who said corporations were evil.


You are contradicting Bernie. Corporations are evil


Can you prove your original claim or not? It's a simple yes or no question. I will assume that further attempts to move the goalposts and an inability to post proof is an admission that the answer is no.
Show me what a large hand looks like! This is what a large hand looks like! chia Apr 2017 #1
I totally scream for progressive social reform. Barack_America Apr 2017 #2
Can't hardly turn down a huge employer of the state! Lone Star Apr 2017 #3
A fact aimed at negative spin? OxQQme Apr 2017 #4
Makes you wonder, doesn't it? beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #13
They can't help themselves. Iggo Apr 2017 #15
What negative spin? Lone Star Apr 2017 #80
"Huge employer", maybe? sl8 Apr 2017 #96
The irony hit me too. bettyellen Apr 2017 #5
Yeah, why can't he hang around with those nice folks from Goldman Sachs? QC Apr 2017 #14
Unilever and F-16s are funny enough without bringing Trumps cabinet into it... bettyellen Apr 2017 #16
Except the podium doesn't say Unilever or Lockheed Martin. It says Ben and Jerry's. beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #18
Fight the good fight, scottie.. pangaia Apr 2017 #82
Thank you, pangaia! beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #91
Ben and Jerry's, owned by global conglomerate Unilever. George II Apr 2017 #163
come on, Ben And Jerry's? You have to admit that's pretty ridiculous to see irony there. And they JCanete Apr 2017 #19
They were bought by a multinational conglomerate, so.... bettyellen Apr 2017 #20
"everyone assumes it's a homespun thing and not connected- god forbid!- to a corporation!" beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #25
Yeah, that happens. Ben and Jerry's has obviously maintained their voice and personality. And JCanete Apr 2017 #27
Exactly. Ben and Jerry took plenty of heat from the right for their criticism of Citizen's United. beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #34
Are you referring to the corporatists Ben and Jerry? George II Apr 2017 #129
LMAO! Ben Cohen and Jerry Greenfield are now corporatists? beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #131
Ben & Jerry's To Unilever, With Attitude George II Apr 2017 #132
Sold up but not sold out, Ben and Jerry are still the poster boys for fair trade: beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #134
Here's the definition of corporatism: beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #144
At least you admit that words mean things. Like Bernie's moral war on corporations. R B Garr Apr 2017 #166
Yeah, we've been hearing for years that if you take corporate money from or pal around with betsuni Apr 2017 #29
that is not what you've been hearing for years, unless you're talking about your own echo-chamber JCanete Apr 2017 #138
The Echo-chamber of Misinterpretation. betsuni Apr 2017 #141
okay, so you never were interested in backing up your assertion. Just throw shit out there then. JCanete Apr 2017 #142
They still have free cone day i karynnj Apr 2017 #51
Yep! Do they still let employees bring home free pints? beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #53
Ben and Jerry are no longer a "company", they're a division of a European conglomerate. George II Apr 2017 #133
Unless they've redefined the word 'company' Ben and Jerry's still fits the definition. beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #135
Look! Another Bernie-can-do-no-righter. Blue_Warrior Apr 2017 #152
Who openly backed him in the primary FDRsGhost Apr 2017 #7
Sanders AND Ben & Jerry's Ice Cream... LWolf Apr 2017 #6
Ben and Jerry's is owned by Univlever BainsBane Apr 2017 #8
Wow, I had no idea that they'd sold out DesertRat Apr 2017 #9
Years ago BainsBane Apr 2017 #10
They didn't 'sell out." Maybe check the facts about the sale. pangaia Apr 2017 #83
He can do whatever he wants to do....He is at least trying..... onecent Apr 2017 #11
Before the 'Ben and Jerry's sold out to an EVIL corporation' talking points start flying: beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #12
Well thank god theyre not "establishment" like Planned Parenthood or Naral, LOL bettyellen Apr 2017 #21
Well Ben and Jerry's certainly isn't in the same league as Goldman Sachs. beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #23
So some corporations should have "free speech" and some non profits should STFU- got it! bettyellen Apr 2017 #24
Did someone actually say that or did you make it up? What does the 1st amendment have to do with it? beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #28
LOL, following the strict throw-away lines, I see. R B Garr Apr 2017 #30
Are we defending Goldman Sachs now? beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #33
No, this was about meaningless throw-away lines. R B Garr Apr 2017 #35
Meaningless throw away lines like anti-liberal talking points about progressive companies. beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #36
Wrong again. When you hide behind Goldman Sachs R B Garr Apr 2017 #37
I've been told again and again that taking ANY corporate money is corrupting the candidate.... bettyellen Apr 2017 #38
That's what I remember, too. Corporations are evil. R B Garr Apr 2017 #56
When discussing corporate influence in politics I think Goldman Sachs is relevant. beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #39
Not buying it, sorry. Looks like you threw out Goldman Sachs to browbeat people. R B Garr Apr 2017 #57
Heh betsuni Apr 2017 #58
Yes I can see why you want to think facts about Goldman Sachs are irrelevant. beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #60
You are clearly the own with false equivalency. Bordering on desperation, actually. R B Garr Apr 2017 #98
Actually I used Goldman Sachs as an example of a corporation that buys influence. beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #99
No. You used Goldman Sachs to obfuscate the obvious hypocrisy of R B Garr Apr 2017 #101
What are you talking about now? beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #102
You are contradicting Bernie. Corporations are evil. Ben & Jerry's is a corporation. R B Garr Apr 2017 #105
Where is the link to Bernie saying that corporations are evil? beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #106
We've listened to it since 2015. R B Garr Apr 2017 #107
And yet you can't provide a link to him saying all corporations are evil? beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #108
LOL, I knew this part was coming. The part where words have to appear exactly R B Garr Apr 2017 #115
So Bernie never said corporations are evil? Well that makes your point moot, doesn't it? beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #119
No. You make his point moot. Now he never spoke of corporations. R B Garr Apr 2017 #124
Did I say Bernie "never spoke of corporations"? Can you post a link or the text? beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #126
lol, I wonder what holes you will dig if I said Bernie demonized corporations. R B Garr Apr 2017 #136
No - you didn't, you claimed Bernie said "corporations are evil". Twice. beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #137
Right, because Bernie never talked about evil R B Garr Apr 2017 #139
Moving the goalposts again. You claimed he said "corporations are evil". beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #140
LOL, you spent all night moving the goalposts. R B Garr Apr 2017 #164
This is hysterical! betsuni Apr 2017 #109
Did someone actually say that? Why that IS hysterical! beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #110
Glad you agree with me! betsuni Apr 2017 #112
I do! Can you show me the post where someone said that? I want to laugh too! beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #114
Yes, it is hilarious! You just have to laugh at it. R B Garr Apr 2017 #117
Don't forget progressive nonprofits like Planned Parenthood.... bettyellen Apr 2017 #40
Isn't that the argument you're making here by claiming the photo is ironic? beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #42
It's ONLY okay for some people to hide taxes and work with corporations... bettyellen Apr 2017 #43
Why are you talking about penises now? beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #45
It appears to be a more reliable predictor of when exceptions to "the rules" suddenly appear. bettyellen Apr 2017 #48
Apparently in this case that's true. beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #49
It's not supporting the company- its receiving support from huge corporations.... bettyellen Apr 2017 #50
How is speaking from a Ben and Jerry's podium 'receiving support from a huge corporation'? beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #52
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Actually, Unilever is worth almost twice as much as Goldman. DanTex Apr 2017 #59
Except we're discussing Ben and Jerry's, not Unilever. They're not the same thing. beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #61
lol.. Right? opiate69 Apr 2017 #62
This whole thing is hilarious. When did Ben and Jerry's become evil? beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #63
When Bernie Sanders became associated with them. klook Apr 2017 #103
DAMN YOU KHAN!!! I MEAN BERNIE SANDERS!!! beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #104
I heard he had Susan Sarandon in that ice cream tub with 'im. Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #147
DEAR VULCAN! SAY IT AIN'T SO! beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #149
Which is owned by Unilever. Surprised you didn't know that. DanTex Apr 2017 #64
Actually I did since I mentioned it several times. But they're still not the same thing. beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #65
Of course I knew it was owned by Unilever. That's why I commented on the blatant DanTex Apr 2017 #66
Except - again - NO ONE is defending Unilever. We're discussing Ben and Jerry's. beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #67
LOL Unilever is an exceptionally responsible corporation, its hilarious to watch people acting like bettyellen Apr 2017 #69
Again - no one actually said that, right? What's with all these straw men? beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #71
Defending B&J is, obviously, defending Unilever. This is hilarious. DanTex Apr 2017 #70
No, actually it isn't. One is a small progressive company in Vermont, the other isn't. beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #72
Yes, actually it is. Are you familiar with the concept of ownership? DanTex Apr 2017 #73
You don't actually expect anyone to believe it's that simple, do you? beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #75
I'm thinking... opiate69 Apr 2017 #76
Right? It's simple algebra. beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #78
Certainly not people who don't understand corporate ownership, like you. DanTex Apr 2017 #77
Actually Unilever disagrees with you. Do they understand corporate ownership? beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #79
Oh, you are so credulous of an international conglomerate, it's adorable. DanTex Apr 2017 #81
You still don't understand the difference between a subsidiary and its parent company? beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #85
Of course I do! Like Goldman's mortgage division versus Goldman Sachs! DanTex Apr 2017 #87
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You mean like how they don't know the difference between a subsidiary and its parent company? beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #90
Yes, you don't. And you don't know a thing about corporate governance. DanTex Apr 2017 #92
I do what what now? Can you provide an example of where I said that? beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #97
And I suspect that the bright folks in the Unilever boardroom understand Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #150
Those distinctions lacking a relevant difference are sacred cows. LanternWaste Apr 2017 #159
LOL God, you have more patience than I do.... pangaia Apr 2017 #84
LOL! Thanks, I work with animals, you need to have a lot of patience. beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #86
I'm bemused with the twisting and creative rationalizations you force. LanternWaste Apr 2017 #158
I love how you fight the good fight but you know nothing matters because Nanjeanne Apr 2017 #68
Thank you! It's amazing, isn't it? beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #74
+1000s DinahMoeHum Apr 2017 #94
Ice Cream Socialism scheming daemons Apr 2017 #17
We need a national ice cream plan. milestogo Apr 2017 #22
Someone stick a bottle of maple syrup and an autumn leaf in his hand. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2017 #26
Lol. cwydro Apr 2017 #31
Great post. Bernie is amazing. I don't understand all the Voltaire2 Apr 2017 #32
A smear job against Bernie supporters. romanic Apr 2017 #41
A way to refight the primary without getting a hide. QC Apr 2017 #44
+1 beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #47
Fuck the Conrads of all stripes! demmiblue Apr 2017 #46
What's a Conrad? Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #93
That actually sounds good. Doreen Apr 2017 #54
I'm loving this about as much as I did the birdie! Too funny! (nt) bekkilyn Apr 2017 #55
Hooray For Bernie Sanders! Hooray for Ice Cream! Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #95
EXCEPT FOR FASCISTS!!! AND COMMIES!! AND VEGANS! beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #100
Corporatists Ben and Jerry sold out to foreign owner Unilever 16 years ago. George II Apr 2017 #111
LMAO!!! beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #113
Wow. I did a search for that statement and the first link is to Breitbart. beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #116
So, scottie, you're claiming that Ben and Jerry did NOT sell out to Unilever? George II Apr 2017 #121
No I'm laughing at the characterization of Ben and Jerry as "corporatists" who sold out. beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #123
You're actually claiming that anyone who owns a corporation and sells it is a corporatist? beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #148
Yes they are. And they're waaaay up toward the top of that 1%, too. George II Apr 2017 #162
Oh, but in this thread we are assured that giant multinational corporations like Unilever can be betsuni Apr 2017 #118
Really? Can you link to those posts? I just reread this thread and I don't see them. beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #120
I'm sure you can find it, just google "Ben and Jerry's Unilever". George II Apr 2017 #122
In this thread? I just did a page search and nothing came up. beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #125
I'm sure you can find it. George II Apr 2017 #127
Nope. Just searched again. Can you point it out? Should be easy enough to do. beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #128
By the way, it's very nice that you display a version of the Japanese corporation Sanrio's betsuni Apr 2017 #165
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"Again, just pulling shit out of your ass" betsuni Apr 2017 #145
okay... Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #146
hehe, I guess spring is here. nt JCanete Apr 2017 #151
Spring is the time to turn over a new leaf. It wasn't very nice to accuse me of pulling betsuni Apr 2017 #160
It seems DU got twisted up in knots about it too ornotna Apr 2017 #130
If This Thread Had Been Alerted. . . ProfessorGAC Apr 2017 #153
All over an ice cream podium no less FDRsGhost Apr 2017 #154
Unhinged is the only word to describe it. demmiblue Apr 2017 #161
Linguistically smoothe and creamy!!! NCTraveler Apr 2017 #155
ROFL!!!!! I am sooooo not even going there lol FDRsGhost Apr 2017 #157
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