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In reply to the discussion: So, who has read SHATTERED yet? [View all]stevenleser
(32,886 posts)100. So when election observers say there was outright fraud in an election that threw the vote
you blame the losing candidate for that as well?
Well then, might as well not have election observers. Countries and the UN can all save themselves a lot of time and money. It's simple, if a candidate loses, it's their fault, regardless of whatever fraud caused it.
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The only way this will be resolved is if people lose their alerting and jury privileges.
demmiblue
Apr 2017
#89
This thread is a perfect example of the weird thought policing that this place has devolved into.
Warren DeMontague
Apr 2017
#93
The hardcover version is the number 1 bestseller on amazon. I bought the kindle version.
m-lekktor
Apr 2017
#9
"Are the Comey or Putin effects discussed in any depth?" - Chapter 19 is titled "Comey". n/t
PoliticAverse
Apr 2017
#109
The Shelby County vs. Holder decision had no impact on WI - WI was never a pre-clearance state
Midwestern Democrat
Apr 2017
#27
the "failure" of a candidate who won nearly three million more votes is kind of an absurdity
MichMary
Apr 2017
#62
Except such a thing would make an excellent topic for, say, a thesis paper. A Campaign Postmortem,
Warren DeMontague
Apr 2017
#129
"It seems like it's mostly right wingers who are buying this." - Not surprising...
PoliticAverse
Apr 2017
#19
"2nd highest number of votes in history" - 3rd. Obama got more votes in 2008 and 2012. n/t
PoliticAverse
Apr 2017
#35
And it would matter if we elected Presidents by popular vote. Since we don't it still is a failure.
PoliticAverse
Apr 2017
#39
It actually matters here because of the margins and the number of votes not counted
Vesper
Apr 2017
#117
So when he's impeached for his clear Russian ties, will it be incomplete again?
Vesper
Apr 2017
#119
I reject the idea that the buck stops anywhere other than the candidate and the party.
ZX86
Apr 2017
#49
I reject the notion that the factors mentioned do not exist. That is simply not reality.
Vesper
Apr 2017
#53
Well, we had this legislation called the Voting Rights Act that spelled that out.
Vesper
Apr 2017
#124
Where did I say that? You seemed to be rather confused about who actually enforces
Vesper
Apr 2017
#132
Yeah, that doesn't answer the question, it just proves you adamantly refuse to understand
Vesper
Apr 2017
#135
So when election observers say there was outright fraud in an election that threw the vote
stevenleser
Apr 2017
#100
If? First off everyone agrees that the Russians tried. It is still being investigated
stevenleser
Apr 2017
#103
Book excerpts are like movie trailers, they show you the explosive parts but not the substance. n/t
PoliticAverse
Apr 2017
#42
I feel like I have a pretty strong grasp of the function of book reviews, thanks.
Starry Messenger
Apr 2017
#60
Yes, but Trump got the White House. Gore got more votes too, and Bush got us into Iraq
Tom Rinaldo
Apr 2017
#41
From the few excerpts I read, they are pretty accurate as to what happened in Michigan.
demmiblue
Apr 2017
#40
I'll probably give this one a read. But I'm more interested in the upcoming book
PatsFan87
Apr 2017
#50
"biggest vote count landslide in decades" - it wasn't even bigger than Obama's defeat of Romney
PoliticAverse
Apr 2017
#66
I'll read it right after I watch a replay of the Titans losing the Super Bowl
redstateblues
Apr 2017
#63
"the media said the email investigation was reopened, which was a LIE" - It was distressing
PoliticAverse
Apr 2017
#110
That doesn't make it any less of a lie, nor does it absolve they media of their
still_one
Apr 2017
#112
Yeah, or maybe there's an inversely proportional relationship between the outrage around it
Warren DeMontague
Apr 2017
#128