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stevenleser

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100. So when election observers say there was outright fraud in an election that threw the vote
Sun Apr 23, 2017, 07:56 PM
Apr 2017

you blame the losing candidate for that as well?

Well then, might as well not have election observers. Countries and the UN can all save themselves a lot of time and money. It's simple, if a candidate loses, it's their fault, regardless of whatever fraud caused it.

So, who has read SHATTERED yet? [View all] jodymarie aimee Apr 2017 OP
I did the audiobook version via Overdrive through local public library. PoliticAverse Apr 2017 #1
Thanks, will check this out jodymarie aimee Apr 2017 #4
Really, alerter? demmiblue Apr 2017 #30
Very little surprises me about that stuff, anymore. Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #70
The only way this will be resolved is if people lose their alerting and jury privileges. demmiblue Apr 2017 #89
This thread is a perfect example of the weird thought policing that this place has devolved into. Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #93
+1 beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #101
Just downloaded it to my Kindle. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2017 #2
You are guilty of badbookread, which can lead to wrongthink. Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #94
LOL! I think I can manage. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2017 #95
doubleplusungood!!! Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #96
Pointless drivel-here's why-RUSSIA Boxerfan Apr 2017 #3
Did you read it then? jodymarie aimee Apr 2017 #5
Even Pulitzer Prize winning authors are capable of writing crap. stevenleser Apr 2017 #11
Amen to that. William769 Apr 2017 #13
I forget who was interviewing the authors, but 2 things stood out to me... Hekate Apr 2017 #17
Thank you, that is the impression I got from the excerpts. stevenleser Apr 2017 #47
Highly suspect Cary Apr 2017 #77
Woodward won a Pulitzer and most jrthin Apr 2017 #87
+1000, That's what we both said here. Russia, the assault R B Garr Apr 2017 #15
Yes and no zipplewrath Apr 2017 #131
I think the authors were bribed by Putin. AngryAmish Apr 2017 #6
research them jodymarie aimee Apr 2017 #8
Honesty is a good thing. lapucelle Apr 2017 #58
Have just added it to my Amazon Kindle list. Different Drummer Apr 2017 #7
The hardcover version is the number 1 bestseller on amazon. I bought the kindle version. m-lekktor Apr 2017 #9
I see Elizabeth Warren's new book is right behind it. n/t PoliticAverse Apr 2017 #10
I just bought it mvd Apr 2017 #12
And yet, all things being equal, tRump's campaign had a higher level of stopbush Apr 2017 #52
Exactly. We support bullcrap jrthin Apr 2017 #88
Do you find the sources reliable? lapucelle Apr 2017 #108
"Are the Comey or Putin effects discussed in any depth?" - Chapter 19 is titled "Comey". n/t PoliticAverse Apr 2017 #109
There is a lot of detail. So I think they did get decent inside scoop mvd Apr 2017 #116
I think any analysis of "how Clinton lost the 2016 election".... Spider Jerusalem Apr 2017 #14
Thank you Hekate Apr 2017 #18
The Shelby County vs. Holder decision had no impact on WI - WI was never a pre-clearance state Midwestern Democrat Apr 2017 #27
As absurd as the GOP winning across the board? Kentonio Apr 2017 #44
the "failure" of a candidate who won nearly three million more votes is kind of an absurdity MichMary Apr 2017 #62
Thank you. nt jrthin Apr 2017 #81
+1000 bronxiteforever Apr 2017 #86
Great point. H2O Man Apr 2017 #99
Why not blame every defeat on voter suppression? golfguru Apr 2017 #107
Except such a thing would make an excellent topic for, say, a thesis paper. A Campaign Postmortem, Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #129
I went to Amazon WomenRising2017 Apr 2017 #16
"It seems like it's mostly right wingers who are buying this." - Not surprising... PoliticAverse Apr 2017 #19
To be fair, my mom is a huge Clinton supporter and bought it mvd Apr 2017 #20
I'm someone that really likes to know how the sausage is made.... PoliticAverse Apr 2017 #21
I am most emphatically not a right-winger and I bought it. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2017 #97
Breitbart seems to be loving it. That alone should give some pause. Vesper Apr 2017 #31
It ends with Trump defeating Clinton so that isn't that surprising. n/t PoliticAverse Apr 2017 #33
Sean Hannity and Fox and Friends are touting it as well. lapucelle Apr 2017 #76
Here's what Google news just helpfully "suggested" for me: ucrdem Apr 2017 #22
That's the narrative Breitbart et alia are pimping. lapucelle Apr 2017 #113
Yep. All the memes that fit the Trump-won-it-fair-and-square narrative. ucrdem Apr 2017 #115
Don't buy it Meowmee Apr 2017 #23
Oh for fuck's sake. nt JTFrog Apr 2017 #24
+1 (WTF) betsuni Apr 2017 #38
No, and I won't be reading the National Enquirer's election stories either. n/t pnwmom Apr 2017 #25
Why do you think Clinton allowed them to be embedded into her campaign? former9thward Apr 2017 #48
As far as I know they were not "embedded" with "full access". n/t PoliticAverse Apr 2017 #68
Their previous book was a biography of Mrs. Clinton. former9thward Apr 2017 #71
The publisher's blurb says lapucelle Apr 2017 #114
Holy shit truthaddict247 Apr 2017 #26
Whether it is neglecting the facts that despite the VRA decision, crosscheck, Vesper Apr 2017 #34
"2nd highest number of votes in history" - 3rd. Obama got more votes in 2008 and 2012. n/t PoliticAverse Apr 2017 #35
I thought she surpassed 2012? In either case, pretty damned successful. Vesper Apr 2017 #36
And it would matter if we elected Presidents by popular vote. Since we don't it still is a failure. PoliticAverse Apr 2017 #39
It actually matters here because of the margins and the number of votes not counted Vesper Apr 2017 #117
When Trump got sworn in as President, the failure was complete. n/t PoliticAverse Apr 2017 #118
So when he's impeached for his clear Russian ties, will it be incomplete again? Vesper Apr 2017 #119
I reject the idea that the buck stops anywhere other than the candidate and the party. ZX86 Apr 2017 #49
I reject the notion that the factors mentioned do not exist. That is simply not reality. Vesper Apr 2017 #53
Results not excuses. ZX86 Apr 2017 #59
Spot on. Kentonio Apr 2017 #61
I keep hearing excuses and denial of facts. Vesper Apr 2017 #120
Who is responsible for keeping voting fair and free? ZX86 Apr 2017 #123
Well, we had this legislation called the Voting Rights Act that spelled that out. Vesper Apr 2017 #124
So Democrats are helpless victims when it comes to voting rights? ZX86 Apr 2017 #125
Where did I say that? You seemed to be rather confused about who actually enforces Vesper Apr 2017 #132
Here's the definition. ZX86 Apr 2017 #133
Yeah, that doesn't answer the question, it just proves you adamantly refuse to understand Vesper Apr 2017 #135
Democrats have had 50+ years to secure voting rights. ZX86 Apr 2017 #134
And we had them, til the Supreme Court Ruling on the VRA. Vesper Apr 2017 #136
So when election observers say there was outright fraud in an election that threw the vote stevenleser Apr 2017 #100
If there was outright fraud ZX86 Apr 2017 #102
If? First off everyone agrees that the Russians tried. It is still being investigated stevenleser Apr 2017 #103
What the hell are you talking about? ZX86 Apr 2017 #106
Nah. Starry Messenger Apr 2017 #28
Book excerpts are like movie trailers, they show you the explosive parts but not the substance. n/t PoliticAverse Apr 2017 #42
I feel like I have a pretty strong grasp of the function of book reviews, thanks. Starry Messenger Apr 2017 #60
Just excerpts. Looks interesting. Sienna86 Apr 2017 #29
We got 3 million more votes. Vesper Apr 2017 #32
Yes, but Trump got the White House. Gore got more votes too, and Bush got us into Iraq Tom Rinaldo Apr 2017 #41
Well said. n/t PoliticAverse Apr 2017 #43
Righ, but a campaign is supposed to function to get votes. Vesper Apr 2017 #46
We got more votes. We just didn't get the right 3 million more Exilednight Apr 2017 #90
I'm in the middle of it. Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #37
From the few excerpts I read, they are pretty accurate as to what happened in Michigan. demmiblue Apr 2017 #40
I know that there were Wikileaks releases lapucelle Apr 2017 #121
Taibbi's review is online here.... PoliticAverse Apr 2017 #122
I'm not reading that shit ismnotwasm Apr 2017 #45
I'll probably give this one a read. But I'm more interested in the upcoming book PatsFan87 Apr 2017 #50
What's the title of the book and do you know the release date? n/t PoliticAverse Apr 2017 #65
I'm going to followup my question as I found the info... PoliticAverse Apr 2017 #72
Thanks for the info. :) Can't wait! I couldn't put Game Change down. PatsFan87 Apr 2017 #80
Great Book erpowers Apr 2017 #98
Not interested. (nt) Paladin Apr 2017 #51
not me kpete Apr 2017 #54
KPete jodymarie aimee Apr 2017 #56
You are pushing this shit on the wrong site. JTFrog Apr 2017 #73
If you're truly as interested in learning lapucelle Apr 2017 #82
I've seen the two authors interviewed about this book. stopbush Apr 2017 #55
I don't believe they cobbled this together last week jodymarie aimee Apr 2017 #57
"biggest vote count landslide in decades" - it wasn't even bigger than Obama's defeat of Romney PoliticAverse Apr 2017 #66
It would still have had anonymous gossip lapucelle Apr 2017 #111
I'll read it right after I watch a replay of the Titans losing the Super Bowl redstateblues Apr 2017 #63
Good god, you are all still arguing over Hillary vs Bernie...it's over! oldcynic Apr 2017 #64
The only person to mention the B-word in this thread was you. n/t PoliticAverse Apr 2017 #67
I don't know why people are seemingly so threatened by this book. Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #69
Lol, ok. nt JTFrog Apr 2017 #74
I have the answer Cary Apr 2017 #78
that's the answer to what I have on my kindle? Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #91
Being a political junkie doesn't mean you have to give up being discerning kcr Apr 2017 #83
Well, I appreciate you giving me permission to finish the thing. Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #92
I couldn't read it Dem2 Apr 2017 #84
Sounds like garbage to me...won't read it. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #75
Actually the title says it all American Democracy was shattered by Fascism. gordianot Apr 2017 #79
"I am gonna wait till price drops." kcr Apr 2017 #85
I have a copy H2O Man Apr 2017 #104
The media ignores the obvious because it implicates them still_one Apr 2017 #105
"the media said the email investigation was reopened, which was a LIE" - It was distressing PoliticAverse Apr 2017 #110
That doesn't make it any less of a lie, nor does it absolve they media of their still_one Apr 2017 #112
I finished it, but i know better than to talk about it any further. Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #126
Oh, you mean that some people don't know it's fake when they see it. betsuni Apr 2017 #127
Yeah, or maybe there's an inversely proportional relationship between the outrage around it Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #128
From what I've seen... Mike Nelson Apr 2017 #130
About halfway through it now, and it's fascinating Kentonio May 2017 #137
ordered it jodymarie aimee May 2017 #138
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