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Vesper

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124. Well, we had this legislation called the Voting Rights Act that spelled that out.
Mon Apr 24, 2017, 11:52 PM
Apr 2017

It's not really something that any of the numerous political parties are in charge of, not even the big 2.

After the Supreme Court guttted the VRA, we're still dealing with voting issues. It's something that state, and local governments and the DOJ is supposed to handle.

Stop with the excuses of total ignorance of how our country actually works. Results requires education and a grasp of how basic civics works, attacking a party because one has literally no clue how government works or where responsibility lies is simply making excuses, it doesn't bring results, it actively blocks results.

What organization do you speak of? Are you trying to attack the Democratic Party for failing to do the job of the Supreme Court and the Department of Justice and the various state and local boards of elections?

I don't even understand how people keep excusing their own ignorance while demanding "results not excuses". Please learn which aspects of government are responsible for voting rights, it's not a party, nor is it the one you keep attacking on this Democratic site where we're here to support Democrats not bash them for things that they don't have control over as a party.

So, who has read SHATTERED yet? [View all] jodymarie aimee Apr 2017 OP
I did the audiobook version via Overdrive through local public library. PoliticAverse Apr 2017 #1
Thanks, will check this out jodymarie aimee Apr 2017 #4
Really, alerter? demmiblue Apr 2017 #30
Very little surprises me about that stuff, anymore. Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #70
The only way this will be resolved is if people lose their alerting and jury privileges. demmiblue Apr 2017 #89
This thread is a perfect example of the weird thought policing that this place has devolved into. Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #93
+1 beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #101
Just downloaded it to my Kindle. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2017 #2
You are guilty of badbookread, which can lead to wrongthink. Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #94
LOL! I think I can manage. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2017 #95
doubleplusungood!!! Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #96
Pointless drivel-here's why-RUSSIA Boxerfan Apr 2017 #3
Did you read it then? jodymarie aimee Apr 2017 #5
Even Pulitzer Prize winning authors are capable of writing crap. stevenleser Apr 2017 #11
Amen to that. William769 Apr 2017 #13
I forget who was interviewing the authors, but 2 things stood out to me... Hekate Apr 2017 #17
Thank you, that is the impression I got from the excerpts. stevenleser Apr 2017 #47
Highly suspect Cary Apr 2017 #77
Woodward won a Pulitzer and most jrthin Apr 2017 #87
+1000, That's what we both said here. Russia, the assault R B Garr Apr 2017 #15
Yes and no zipplewrath Apr 2017 #131
I think the authors were bribed by Putin. AngryAmish Apr 2017 #6
research them jodymarie aimee Apr 2017 #8
Honesty is a good thing. lapucelle Apr 2017 #58
Have just added it to my Amazon Kindle list. Different Drummer Apr 2017 #7
The hardcover version is the number 1 bestseller on amazon. I bought the kindle version. m-lekktor Apr 2017 #9
I see Elizabeth Warren's new book is right behind it. n/t PoliticAverse Apr 2017 #10
I just bought it mvd Apr 2017 #12
And yet, all things being equal, tRump's campaign had a higher level of stopbush Apr 2017 #52
Exactly. We support bullcrap jrthin Apr 2017 #88
Do you find the sources reliable? lapucelle Apr 2017 #108
"Are the Comey or Putin effects discussed in any depth?" - Chapter 19 is titled "Comey". n/t PoliticAverse Apr 2017 #109
There is a lot of detail. So I think they did get decent inside scoop mvd Apr 2017 #116
I think any analysis of "how Clinton lost the 2016 election".... Spider Jerusalem Apr 2017 #14
Thank you Hekate Apr 2017 #18
The Shelby County vs. Holder decision had no impact on WI - WI was never a pre-clearance state Midwestern Democrat Apr 2017 #27
As absurd as the GOP winning across the board? Kentonio Apr 2017 #44
the "failure" of a candidate who won nearly three million more votes is kind of an absurdity MichMary Apr 2017 #62
Thank you. nt jrthin Apr 2017 #81
+1000 bronxiteforever Apr 2017 #86
Great point. H2O Man Apr 2017 #99
Why not blame every defeat on voter suppression? golfguru Apr 2017 #107
Except such a thing would make an excellent topic for, say, a thesis paper. A Campaign Postmortem, Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #129
I went to Amazon WomenRising2017 Apr 2017 #16
"It seems like it's mostly right wingers who are buying this." - Not surprising... PoliticAverse Apr 2017 #19
To be fair, my mom is a huge Clinton supporter and bought it mvd Apr 2017 #20
I'm someone that really likes to know how the sausage is made.... PoliticAverse Apr 2017 #21
I am most emphatically not a right-winger and I bought it. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2017 #97
Breitbart seems to be loving it. That alone should give some pause. Vesper Apr 2017 #31
It ends with Trump defeating Clinton so that isn't that surprising. n/t PoliticAverse Apr 2017 #33
Sean Hannity and Fox and Friends are touting it as well. lapucelle Apr 2017 #76
Here's what Google news just helpfully "suggested" for me: ucrdem Apr 2017 #22
That's the narrative Breitbart et alia are pimping. lapucelle Apr 2017 #113
Yep. All the memes that fit the Trump-won-it-fair-and-square narrative. ucrdem Apr 2017 #115
Don't buy it Meowmee Apr 2017 #23
Oh for fuck's sake. nt JTFrog Apr 2017 #24
+1 (WTF) betsuni Apr 2017 #38
No, and I won't be reading the National Enquirer's election stories either. n/t pnwmom Apr 2017 #25
Why do you think Clinton allowed them to be embedded into her campaign? former9thward Apr 2017 #48
As far as I know they were not "embedded" with "full access". n/t PoliticAverse Apr 2017 #68
Their previous book was a biography of Mrs. Clinton. former9thward Apr 2017 #71
The publisher's blurb says lapucelle Apr 2017 #114
Holy shit truthaddict247 Apr 2017 #26
Whether it is neglecting the facts that despite the VRA decision, crosscheck, Vesper Apr 2017 #34
"2nd highest number of votes in history" - 3rd. Obama got more votes in 2008 and 2012. n/t PoliticAverse Apr 2017 #35
I thought she surpassed 2012? In either case, pretty damned successful. Vesper Apr 2017 #36
And it would matter if we elected Presidents by popular vote. Since we don't it still is a failure. PoliticAverse Apr 2017 #39
It actually matters here because of the margins and the number of votes not counted Vesper Apr 2017 #117
When Trump got sworn in as President, the failure was complete. n/t PoliticAverse Apr 2017 #118
So when he's impeached for his clear Russian ties, will it be incomplete again? Vesper Apr 2017 #119
I reject the idea that the buck stops anywhere other than the candidate and the party. ZX86 Apr 2017 #49
I reject the notion that the factors mentioned do not exist. That is simply not reality. Vesper Apr 2017 #53
Results not excuses. ZX86 Apr 2017 #59
Spot on. Kentonio Apr 2017 #61
I keep hearing excuses and denial of facts. Vesper Apr 2017 #120
Who is responsible for keeping voting fair and free? ZX86 Apr 2017 #123
Well, we had this legislation called the Voting Rights Act that spelled that out. Vesper Apr 2017 #124
So Democrats are helpless victims when it comes to voting rights? ZX86 Apr 2017 #125
Where did I say that? You seemed to be rather confused about who actually enforces Vesper Apr 2017 #132
Here's the definition. ZX86 Apr 2017 #133
Yeah, that doesn't answer the question, it just proves you adamantly refuse to understand Vesper Apr 2017 #135
Democrats have had 50+ years to secure voting rights. ZX86 Apr 2017 #134
And we had them, til the Supreme Court Ruling on the VRA. Vesper Apr 2017 #136
So when election observers say there was outright fraud in an election that threw the vote stevenleser Apr 2017 #100
If there was outright fraud ZX86 Apr 2017 #102
If? First off everyone agrees that the Russians tried. It is still being investigated stevenleser Apr 2017 #103
What the hell are you talking about? ZX86 Apr 2017 #106
Nah. Starry Messenger Apr 2017 #28
Book excerpts are like movie trailers, they show you the explosive parts but not the substance. n/t PoliticAverse Apr 2017 #42
I feel like I have a pretty strong grasp of the function of book reviews, thanks. Starry Messenger Apr 2017 #60
Just excerpts. Looks interesting. Sienna86 Apr 2017 #29
We got 3 million more votes. Vesper Apr 2017 #32
Yes, but Trump got the White House. Gore got more votes too, and Bush got us into Iraq Tom Rinaldo Apr 2017 #41
Well said. n/t PoliticAverse Apr 2017 #43
Righ, but a campaign is supposed to function to get votes. Vesper Apr 2017 #46
We got more votes. We just didn't get the right 3 million more Exilednight Apr 2017 #90
I'm in the middle of it. Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #37
From the few excerpts I read, they are pretty accurate as to what happened in Michigan. demmiblue Apr 2017 #40
I know that there were Wikileaks releases lapucelle Apr 2017 #121
Taibbi's review is online here.... PoliticAverse Apr 2017 #122
I'm not reading that shit ismnotwasm Apr 2017 #45
I'll probably give this one a read. But I'm more interested in the upcoming book PatsFan87 Apr 2017 #50
What's the title of the book and do you know the release date? n/t PoliticAverse Apr 2017 #65
I'm going to followup my question as I found the info... PoliticAverse Apr 2017 #72
Thanks for the info. :) Can't wait! I couldn't put Game Change down. PatsFan87 Apr 2017 #80
Great Book erpowers Apr 2017 #98
Not interested. (nt) Paladin Apr 2017 #51
not me kpete Apr 2017 #54
KPete jodymarie aimee Apr 2017 #56
You are pushing this shit on the wrong site. JTFrog Apr 2017 #73
If you're truly as interested in learning lapucelle Apr 2017 #82
I've seen the two authors interviewed about this book. stopbush Apr 2017 #55
I don't believe they cobbled this together last week jodymarie aimee Apr 2017 #57
"biggest vote count landslide in decades" - it wasn't even bigger than Obama's defeat of Romney PoliticAverse Apr 2017 #66
It would still have had anonymous gossip lapucelle Apr 2017 #111
I'll read it right after I watch a replay of the Titans losing the Super Bowl redstateblues Apr 2017 #63
Good god, you are all still arguing over Hillary vs Bernie...it's over! oldcynic Apr 2017 #64
The only person to mention the B-word in this thread was you. n/t PoliticAverse Apr 2017 #67
I don't know why people are seemingly so threatened by this book. Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #69
Lol, ok. nt JTFrog Apr 2017 #74
I have the answer Cary Apr 2017 #78
that's the answer to what I have on my kindle? Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #91
Being a political junkie doesn't mean you have to give up being discerning kcr Apr 2017 #83
Well, I appreciate you giving me permission to finish the thing. Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #92
I couldn't read it Dem2 Apr 2017 #84
Sounds like garbage to me...won't read it. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #75
Actually the title says it all American Democracy was shattered by Fascism. gordianot Apr 2017 #79
"I am gonna wait till price drops." kcr Apr 2017 #85
I have a copy H2O Man Apr 2017 #104
The media ignores the obvious because it implicates them still_one Apr 2017 #105
"the media said the email investigation was reopened, which was a LIE" - It was distressing PoliticAverse Apr 2017 #110
That doesn't make it any less of a lie, nor does it absolve they media of their still_one Apr 2017 #112
I finished it, but i know better than to talk about it any further. Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #126
Oh, you mean that some people don't know it's fake when they see it. betsuni Apr 2017 #127
Yeah, or maybe there's an inversely proportional relationship between the outrage around it Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #128
From what I've seen... Mike Nelson Apr 2017 #130
About halfway through it now, and it's fascinating Kentonio May 2017 #137
ordered it jodymarie aimee May 2017 #138
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