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calimary

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112. Welcome to DU, Bluepinky.
Wed Apr 26, 2017, 12:04 PM
Apr 2017

Gotta say I'm with DesertFlower on this one. I was and still am a strong Hillary supporter. And yes, I saw Hillary people defending her here, and vigorously. But I NEVER saw the level of vitriol from that side leveled against Bernie supporters. It was rather - um - lopsided, to put it delicately.

Obviously there are still lots of open wounds. Wounds that aren't healing. Memories that won't fade - for quite some time. That's an especially difficult task for those who found themselves on the receiving end. Gotta admit - I'm still having trouble getting over it, myself. It must also be said that, as we've all since discovered, many of those "bros" were probably trolls and other nogoodniks who invaded here and elsewhere online to stir shit up. Some of them originated from as far away as Macedonia and Albania, funded by Russian adventurism, supported by Putin and company who hoped that dissension and confusion and division and disruption could be spread all over our side. French voters are being subjected to that Russian-sourced stealth trolling even now. There are multitudes of credible reports by now of how Putin's people have fanned out across the globe to disrupt - so that the West is weakened and compromised - all the better for Russia, 'eh?

I don't know how we get over it. I hope we do, but I'm not sure how we get there. All I know, or have read, or have observed - is that Bernie seems to want to remain a divisive figure, and doesn't seem interested in helping us all heal - unless/until everybody gets in line and sees things his way, that is. And as a woman who is ARDENTLY pro-choice, I can't understand why he seems so determined to push women's issues aside. I wish I could ask him (and EVERY MALE POLITICIAN, for that matter) - what if it was YOUR body into which government wanted to intrude? What if it was YOUR privacy, regarding that little bit of real estate between YOUR neck and YOUR knees, into which the full force of big government wanted to come stomping? I'm guessing you wouldn't like it. And you'd probably want to fight it. Just like we women do - whenever we see the threat of an anti-choice candidate arising, ANYWHERE.

I'd be gravely disappointed, and pretty pissed off, if Hillary stepped up for Mello, for example. I'd feel betrayed. The more anti-choice candidates succeed, the sooner my right to have the last word over MY body (and the right of my daughter and all her friends - and YOUR daughter, too, if you have one) will be taken away.

Are you feeling a sudden urge? jberryhill Apr 2017 #1
Could be Irritable Bowel Syndrome. QC Apr 2017 #2
That does sound serious. beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #6
Is that the one that makes everyone else a cartoon? jberryhill Apr 2017 #8
That sounds like an expensive cure. beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #9
Or, you can take Xarelto and go to Rome! jberryhill Apr 2017 #128
Why is BS touting an "aggressively anti-choice" candidate Cha Apr 2017 #12
Well I guess you'd have to ask him that jberryhill Apr 2017 #42
i have mixed emotions about bernie. DesertFlower Apr 2017 #44
I have had the opposite experience. Bluepinky Apr 2017 #54
Welcome to DU, Bluepinky. calimary Apr 2017 #112
Thank you Calimary. Bluepinky Apr 2017 #133
The first post that I saw under an article about Bernie's minimum wage bill was ehrnst Apr 2017 #114
Thanks for 'splaining that. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2017 #115
Is it possible to express ideas about economic justice without racist and sexist overtones? mia Apr 2017 #3
Undercurrent- not overtones. It seems difficult for many. bettyellen Apr 2017 #10
The undercurrents have become overtones mia Apr 2017 #16
That seems to be the goal here. Vesper Apr 2017 #20
Calling people out for supporting sexist legislature is NOT reverse sexism. That's nonsense. bettyellen Apr 2017 #25
That is what happens when people refuse to stand up for the oppressed BainsBane Apr 2017 #36
Yes, we must stand up for injustice and be inclusive of all mia Apr 2017 #45
Perhaps you could . . . OldRedneck Apr 2017 #47
Bernie flat out said we should accept anti-choice candidates into the party and fund them. JTFrog Apr 2017 #107
There is no economic justice without equal rights BainsBane Apr 2017 #17
Thanks for your reply. mia Apr 2017 #43
Absolutely BainsBane Apr 2017 #67
You always have to consider social justice... Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #109
screw the white male trump voters. i said it before and DesertFlower Apr 2017 #46
Straw man. ehrnst Apr 2017 #116
Because They're Not Getting Their Way & Losing Their Dominion Me. Apr 2017 #4
That really is it BainsBane Apr 2017 #7
Thank you MontanaMama Apr 2017 #14
It's not a quiet creep, nor is it a whisper, it's a full throated shout Vesper Apr 2017 #26
It sure looks like it. nt BainsBane Apr 2017 #68
The Problem For Those Who Don't Understand Me. Apr 2017 #28
Seems to be making them irritable. Vesper Apr 2017 #21
Quite Me. Apr 2017 #32
At least they're looking into treatments, even if they are from Big Pharma Vesper Apr 2017 #56
+1 Starry Messenger Apr 2017 #29
Mahalo...as Cha Would Say Me. Apr 2017 #35
.. Cha Apr 2017 #49
When white straight men get scared of not being the default ehrnst Apr 2017 #117
I wish. HughBeaumont Apr 2017 #120
I Wish Me. Apr 2017 #123
K&R xoxo musette_sf Apr 2017 #5
If we go after any Trump voters, I think women would be better for Democrats. Hoyt Apr 2017 #11
It's not based on political strategy BainsBane Apr 2017 #15
The whole song and dance about not being able to vote for Clinton because of principle betsuni Apr 2017 #23
It's very obvious what that was about BainsBane Apr 2017 #27
Not talking about adopting policies that appease GOPer women. I'm talking about Hoyt Apr 2017 #33
I understand that. I wasn't criticizing your post BainsBane Apr 2017 #37
Agree. White wing men have had it easy for a long time. Hoyt Apr 2017 #55
As we have seen on the left as well, there are women who draw their power and identity ehrnst Apr 2017 #118
I am getting sick and tired of being told to cater to people who don't give two shits about... hrmjustin Apr 2017 #13
It's horrifying BainsBane Apr 2017 #19
it has been hard to read DU recently and it is not because of the Bernie/Clinton race like some here hrmjustin Apr 2017 #38
"If you can compromise or throw out one civil right you can kiss the rest 50 Shades Of Blue Apr 2017 #50
Exactly, justin. brer cat Apr 2017 #69
Thank you for being an ally. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2017 #119
This party has been moving to the right since Bill Clinton was elected. Let's be real. PatsFan87 Apr 2017 #18
When was the last time you read a DNC platform? BainsBane Apr 2017 #22
no it hasn't. the party has become more liberal . the conservative dems have turned republican JI7 Apr 2017 #24
I have yet to have one person who made that claim BainsBane Apr 2017 #31
it's one of those things that are always being thrown out JI7 Apr 2017 #39
+1 Jamaal510 Apr 2017 #61
Not sure Obama would agree zipplewrath Apr 2017 #110
If we're going to be real, we need to be factual, and that is an incorrect statement. Vesper Apr 2017 #30
No uponit7771 Apr 2017 #63
Or the country. treestar Apr 2017 #101
"Human rights are women's rights, and women's rights are human rights." sheshe2 Apr 2017 #34
This said with a straight face after decades of the Democratic Party moving to the Right. YoungDemCA Apr 2017 #40
I've seen the DNC platform, disagree with it moving to the right uponit7771 Apr 2017 #64
In regards to Bill Clinton- NAFTA, bank deregulation, welfare reform, PatsFan87 Apr 2017 #41
Exactly loyalsister Apr 2017 #60
Not exactly telling the whole story in this parade of ugly either uponit7771 Apr 2017 #65
No, they weren't BainsBane Apr 2017 #75
Those are primarily economic issues and thus do not matter. n/t QC Apr 2017 #95
K & R. Great post!!! 50 Shades Of Blue Apr 2017 #48
The cult of personality must save face for the leader. SaschaHM Apr 2017 #51
Perhaps BainsBane Apr 2017 #74
That horse already left the barn ... a long, long, time ago. Lil Missy Apr 2017 #52
+1 Kentonio Apr 2017 #81
You would think in the year of our lord 2017, Brogrizzly Apr 2017 #53
K&R betsuni Apr 2017 #57
I don't know, but I've seen you posting here for a minute, you tell me. denbot Apr 2017 #58
Elaborate, please. BainsBane Apr 2017 #73
K&R. JHan Apr 2017 #59
Who is actually trying to move our party backwards, even on women's rights? Who is gung-ho about JCanete Apr 2017 #62
A number of people BainsBane Apr 2017 #66
Its a race between 2 pro-lifers Kentonio Apr 2017 #79
Not in Virginia it is not... Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #105
Does Pariello have more than one bad vote on his record regarding women's rights? The one he said he JCanete Apr 2017 #131
He has more than one bad vote. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #132
Thank you, Bains. brer cat Apr 2017 #70
I thought many of those Trump voters voted for Obama in both elections so Nanjeanne Apr 2017 #71
Is that supposed to be cute? BainsBane Apr 2017 #72
It's supposed to be factual. I can't help it if I'm cute. I don't believe the party is ignoring Nanjeanne Apr 2017 #78
In some areas BainsBane Apr 2017 #85
Okey dokey. You are the winner. I need to follow the advice of my tag line now. Nanjeanne Apr 2017 #94
When the extremists on the left sit it out or vote third party Foamfollower Apr 2017 #76
NO, there most certainly is a choice BainsBane Apr 2017 #77
REally, there isn't. Foamfollower Apr 2017 #83
Equal rights are not purity. They are core values, BainsBane Apr 2017 #86
I completely agree. Foamfollower Apr 2017 #98
You're blaming the left for the party moving right? Kentonio Apr 2017 #80
You're damned straight it is the fault of the left. Foamfollower Apr 2017 #82
Maybe if people stopped calling them 'fucking morons' Kentonio Apr 2017 #88
No one on DU has said this...so now you making stuff up. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #90
You mean except in the very same post I was replying to... Kentonio Apr 2017 #93
It should not have been said. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #104
The far left have some of the same views as the far right snooper2 Apr 2017 #96
Maybe if they'd stop BEING fucking morons their agenda could actually be advanced. Foamfollower Apr 2017 #99
They are moving the party to the right...look at the Perriello edorsement objectively. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #89
It does make sense where the members of the left treestar Apr 2017 #103
I get vote for the Democrat...I have always done so...even in cases where Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #84
Yes, case in point BainsBane Apr 2017 #87
It is...and to vote for the Stupak amendment and be gun guy... Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #91
Good for you BainsBane Apr 2017 #92
I sent you a couple of links so you don't have to wade through all the apologist shite. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #106
Fantastic! BainsBane Apr 2017 #111
Suddenly we need a bigger tent mcar Apr 2017 #97
Who is attempting this? Nt retrowire Apr 2017 #100
Seriously? Dude. You need to get out more, or pay closer attention... NurseJackie Apr 2017 #108
He knows BainsBane Apr 2017 #122
We are not going to win while male voters Gothmog Apr 2017 #102
Yes, I heard accusations of "HRC is really just GOP lite" a lot here (nt) ehrnst Apr 2017 #113
There is a movement consisting of Kaye_NY Apr 2017 #121
k and r with thanks for this excellent post. niyad Apr 2017 #124
Agreed.. disillusioned73 Apr 2017 #125
How about explaining what you mean by that BainsBane Apr 2017 #129
Sudden? vi5 Apr 2017 #126
Trying to elect a Democrat in Nebraska is not "moving the party to the right" DefenseLawyer Apr 2017 #127
The issue is not voting for the best choice available BainsBane Apr 2017 #130
Sudden? SUDDEN????? Lil Missy May 2017 #134
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