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Tarheel_Dem

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80. I! COULD! NOT! AGREE! MORE!

Tue May 2, 2017, 06:20 PM

May 2017

An "afterthought". Try winning nationally without us is my message to those who would eschew "identity politics", as if "white working class" isn't an identity. The disconnect is mind blowing. Thanks for posting this.

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When minority voters don't flock to a candidate, we're told we just don't know enough about them and [View all] EffieBlack May 2017 OP

Yep. Those so called-Obama/Trump voters made it clear who they support, and still support... brush May 2017 #1

Yep. nt LexVegas May 2017 #2

Ain't it so, Effie... I'm disgusted by it, too. Cha May 2017 #3

LGBT voters were treated that way for years. QC May 2017 #4

Hey.. cannabis_flower May 2017 #17

Our "pony" Amimnoch May 2017 #18

LGBT people do better when Dems are in charge IronLionZion May 2017 #31

Women are STILL treated that way. calimary May 2017 #41

Great observation delisen May 2017 #5

My feeling all along during Clinton's campaign exboyfil May 2017 #6

Is that based on personal experience? BainsBane May 2017 #11

What leads you to feel that? (nt) ehrnst May 2017 #25

Being in the biggest "urban center" in PA - Philly BumRushDaShow May 2017 #39

false, PoC were the main reason Hillary won the nomination, radius777 May 2017 #94

Many in the party treat minority voters like they do organized labor Lee-Lee May 2017 #7

They may want to start by not treating Barack Obama like a failed politician EffieBlack May 2017 #9

How about the lectures about the "working class"? BainsBane May 2017 #13

Yes! They sound really bizarre doing this. Cha May 2017 #14

Minority voters are by far the most loyal to the Democratic Party Tom Rinaldo May 2017 #8

I don't know how you measure "clearly progressive" BainsBane May 2017 #12

It is a little vague, but it is not meaningless Tom Rinaldo May 2017 #15

Do you have polling data is support your point? BainsBane May 2017 #19

I have seen and noted it in the past. You don't need to take my word for it Tom Rinaldo May 2017 #28

I have seen polling on specific issues BainsBane May 2017 #32

Yss without that specific sort there clearly would be overlap between ideology and racial catagories Tom Rinaldo May 2017 #34

How does "clearly progressive" get to be "fuzzy" around the edges? ehrnst May 2017 #23

Women are oppressed in many ways despite being in the majority Tom Rinaldo May 2017 #30

I understand that you didn't mean 'numerical' minority. I hope you didn't think I thought you did... ehrnst May 2017 #37

From Pew Research on who consider themselves Liberal ehrnst May 2017 #29

Gotta run to work, but Tom Rinaldo May 2017 #33

But you're going to when you get back, right? (nt) ehrnst May 2017 #36

I didn't backtrack or duck your question. Tom Rinaldo May 2017 #50

But what defines "clearly progressive" for you? ehrnst May 2017 #54

Honestly I meant it as a general usage label in my original post Tom Rinaldo May 2017 #68

You've been so patient and measured as a couple of people lexington filly May 2017 #87

Well said BainsBane May 2017 #10

Indeed. (nt) ehrnst May 2017 #24

Big K&R BumRushDaShow May 2017 #16

K&R Quayblue May 2017 #20

+1000 (nt) ehrnst May 2017 #21

K&R betsuni May 2017 #22

I think you're right that minority Democratic voters have been taken for granted. aikoaiko May 2017 #26

And it's not a zero/sum game. wildeyed May 2017 #27

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K&R. Let me put down my hymnal and shake your hand. The Polack MSgt May 2017 #38

sad to see Warren chime in this week bigtree May 2017 #40

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debated to death in the election bigtree May 2017 #48

Yes... an "afterthought"... that's the perfect way to describe it. NurseJackie May 2017 #42

Us "afterthoughts" sheshe2 May 2017 #43

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k+r Blue_Tires May 2017 #45

K&R ismnotwasm May 2017 #46

It isn't that white voters are a "must" do because they are more important in any way. JCanete May 2017 #49

Some policies perpetuate existing inequities- favoring free college while leaving lower levels of bettyellen May 2017 #55

I don't think that Sanders is leaving the lower end schools to fend for themselves, and when you JCanete May 2017 #56

At some point he revised his platform to include it, so he evolved on this. bettyellen May 2017 #57

That is not what I said, nor what such legislation would do. It would make the rich JCanete May 2017 #64

I'm confused as I put no words in your mouth? I said Sanders revised his platform to bettyellen May 2017 #73

Cool, definitely worth discussing more. The only thing I was saying I did not say was your own JCanete May 2017 #74

No, is love more money to go to education but the inequity at lower grades is astounding.... bettyellen May 2017 #76

I agree that's huge. Higher education does not give redress to that, even if, I still believe, it JCanete May 2017 #79

You know the overlap is so huge w Sanders and Hillary it makes me NUTS to hear bettyellen May 2017 #86

I have never seen him address it BainsBane May 2017 #61

again, not dismissing anything. Point to my dismissal, not your broad interpretation of my post as JCanete May 2017 #62

While you're at it BainsBane May 2017 #66

could you point to the ones you are making a case about here? JCanete May 2017 #71

Yes, thank you for pointing that out BainsBane May 2017 #59

Your post is wrong on so many levels BainsBane May 2017 #58

no, from the start you totally misread me. I'll read on to see what else you misread, but JCanete May 2017 #60

Okay, here's one thing that irritates me, and I'm not sure this is the fault of the media or JCanete May 2017 #65

And why should Sanders know better than those voters themselves? BainsBane May 2017 #67

what does that even mean? Everybody thinks they know better, especially if they are a politician. JCanete May 2017 #70

You are telling them to be careful not to alienate Sanders base BainsBane May 2017 #97

Nailed it! A perfect example of what the OP was referencing. R B Garr May 2017 #98

How can you keep misreading me? I have never ever said that anyone JCanete May 2017 #101

Quotes from you, verbatim BainsBane May 2017 #103

First, let me get where you are right out of the way. I way overstated something and didn't realize JCanete May 2017 #105

Sanders DOES support states rights, especially with respect to gun control, pnwmom May 2017 #72

The states rights federal rights issues is almost always in the eye of who is benefiting today. JCanete May 2017 #75

No, when you look into it you'll find out Sanders used the states rights argument pnwmom May 2017 #81

How do you come to the conclusion that Obama (and Clinton) were... George II May 2017 #88

100% or nothing is not what I see evidence for. I want us to campaign JCanete May 2017 #89

Once again, if they were too comfortable with the so-called "status quo", wouldn't it be helpful... George II May 2017 #91

No, I'm not saying they were right of center, I'm saying Obama went that extra mile to try to get JCanete May 2017 #102

It's not idealism. It's a particular set of priorities BainsBane May 2017 #104

It is not promising what can't be achieved. Saying "elect me and I will do this," is totally not the JCanete May 2017 #107

IMO, the people calling PBO, Clinton and Dems out of touch are Kahuna7 May 2017 #51

It is pretty rich to have two New England-based members of the country's most exclusive club EffieBlack May 2017 #93

Well, you know... LenaBaby61 May 2017 #106

Exactly. Makes no sense at all. She will rue the day.... nt Kahuna7 May 2017 #108

Massive K&R. JHan May 2017 #52

K&R fleabiscuit May 2017 #53

Obama can do no wrong. He can never be criticized. YoungDemCA May 2017 #63

Right...certainly criticizing the optics of the first black president giving a speech as all modern Demsrule86 May 2017 #77

Oh, he's been criticized all right NastyRiffraff May 2017 #83

Are you kidding!?! What an ignorant statement.. Cha May 2017 #92

Kick, rec! Squinch May 2017 #69

I think much has to do with the same reason for all. JNelson6563 May 2017 #78

I! COULD! NOT! AGREE! MORE! Tarheel_Dem May 2017 #80

The post is more than on the money, it is the money. Afromania May 2017 #82

K&R NastyRiffraff May 2017 #84

K&R mcar May 2017 #85

I too, found it really was inaccurate and off-putting when lexington filly May 2017 #90

++++++++++++++ JHan May 2017 #96

I wish I could recommend this a thousand times. athena May 2017 #95

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K & R SunSeeker May 2017 #100