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JCanete

(5,272 posts)
57. we need to be able to make suspect any message that is coming from a person who is taking money
Wed May 3, 2017, 03:45 PM
May 2017

from a corporate interests with its own agenda, whether that be a politician or a source of news/"journalism." The money is the prize because the rest is sold to further those interests. The most egregious divisive things are peddled because they are tools towards one end. Yes, there are a lot of things we need to talk about, but we can't do it successfully if we can't deal with the thing that ties them all together.

One of the reasons nobody cares about the Republican shenanigans is because they think, rightly or wrongly that both parties are corrupt, and we haven't done a great job of disabusing them of that notion, so instead, they've chosen their politicians on social issues or safety or talking tough. or on "government sucks and needs to be downsized...vote for me and I'll prove it..."

Obamas donate two million [View all] Chevy May 2017 OP
❤️ Freethinker65 May 2017 #1
K&R ismnotwasm May 2017 #2
Obama for PRESIDENT!! True Dough May 2017 #3
What a shame Saviolo May 2017 #58
Republicans True Dough May 2017 #69
Unless he were a Cuban fascist or narco. tenorly May 2017 #90
Lol STOP!! Jacquette May 2017 #131
We do. Look immediately below the "Reply title" line to the "smilies" button at right Hekate May 2017 #135
Lol ok thx Jacquette May 2017 #197
Welcome to DU Hekate May 2017 #206
👍🏾 BlancheSplanchnik May 2017 #141
ROFL ... THAT is CLASSIC!!!!! DK504 May 2017 #145
Wow, look at the contrast NastyRiffraff May 2017 #154
I just wish he could run again!!!! NT Auntie Bush May 2017 #156
I bet even lots of Rethugs would vote fo him...anyone except tRump. Auntie Bush May 2017 #158
Bingo frazzled May 2017 #4
Waiting on the announcement Chevy May 2017 #5
Oh yes... that WILL be interesting, won't it? NurseJackie May 2017 #56
Yeah, but will he solicit funds to buy himself a picture of himself? Tommy_Carcetti May 2017 #6
K & R VigilantG May 2017 #7
So agree. Wellstone ruled May 2017 #28
Let's see what Warren and Sanders have to say about this. brush May 2017 #8
No need to! HenryWallace May 2017 #55
LOL NurseJackie May 2017 #60
I got a kick out of that too! BannonsLiver May 2017 #104
Here's a book of everything Van Jones has to say about Barack and Michelle's $2 mil Cha May 2017 #175
Your probably right..... HenryWallace May 2017 #203
LOL NurseJackie May 2017 #204
Forced to react? Public opinion? Chevy May 2017 #64
Huh? Forced to react, my as_. You don't know what his plans were. brush May 2017 #65
+1 Jamaal510 May 2017 #166
Oh well, if Ruth Marcus "hammered" him... mcar May 2017 #70
Yeah, a two million dollar donation is a reaction, not something thoughtfully planned. SticksnStones May 2017 #138
Ruth Marcus is an Obama hating troll .. I'm sure President Cha May 2017 #171
And, NO.. "public opinion" DID NOT agree with BS and EW Cha May 2017 #176
Hopefully they'll take it as their cue to shut their mouths about this particular issue BannonsLiver May 2017 #102
How will they react? Perhaps ponying up. Historic NY May 2017 #167
how much has trump donated? freddyvh May 2017 #9
He hasn't even done that yet. He's going to do it at the end of the year, whatever is left. George II May 2017 #36
Probably what he usually donates, which as far as I've read and observed, is near zero. calimary May 2017 #48
Dolt45 donated less than $80,000 to the National Park Service csziggy May 2017 #52
Does he receive a tax credit for that 'donation'? eom Lyricalinklines May 2017 #159
Almost certainly csziggy May 2017 #161
Yes. I'm learning my sarcasm doesn't come across here. Lyricalinklines May 2017 #246
No, but he would of course get a deduction. SomethingNew May 2017 #236
Interesting. If this is so, then why do so many givers claim deductions? Lyricalinklines May 2017 #247
It just so happens... jmowreader May 2017 #187
I am glad to hear it. Changes nothing about legitimate concerns about continuing a bad policy JCanete May 2017 #10
You don't think Obama is corrupt?? Chevy May 2017 #11
what does that mean? I'm saying I have a certain amount of trust in a public figure, which is a rare JCanete May 2017 #17
I guess you're math challeged Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 2017 #164
thanks, that was an important barb. I hope it made your day. nt JCanete May 2017 #168
concern noted snooper2 May 2017 #19
I don't actually know what you're saying here. nt JCanete May 2017 #20
Tom Price is corrupt, working on bills and buying stock in companies accepted by bill -- Justice May 2017 #23
we still have opinions on that , and that is all yours or mine are. We both agree here, but JCanete May 2017 #27
some opinions are more relevant to a particular topic than others. LanternWaste May 2017 #244
can you give me a specific example of irrelevancy here? nt JCanete May 2017 #245
You concern is noted... Blue_Tires May 2017 #25
the money is the prize. The money is the thing we need to hammer them with. Otherwise the money JCanete May 2017 #34
Disagree... You don't fight a political war on just one front Blue_Tires May 2017 #44
we need to be able to make suspect any message that is coming from a person who is taking money JCanete May 2017 #57
Stop with the raising of suspicions. They don't call him "No Drama Obama" for nothing. brush May 2017 #74
......... I have said, repeatedly, this is not about raising suspicions about Obama from me. It is JCanete May 2017 #76
You're the one who should stop. brush May 2017 #84
I've told you why its a problem, in spite of all of that. I agree all of that makes it easier to JCanete May 2017 #93
Until all money is eliminated from politics and we have public-funded elections Blue_Tires May 2017 #75
but you do see how it literally affects all the others don't you? nt JCanete May 2017 #78
Okay, I give up, fine, you and BeyondGeography win... I'm done. Blue_Tires May 2017 #105
I didn't say those things. Why the fuck is it so hard for people, on this side of the aisle no less, JCanete May 2017 #112
What a great way to disempower the left!! Let's make sure they all stay poor and powerless! lostnfound May 2017 #81
a million recs!!!! JHan May 2017 #86
has what we've been doing been working? Really? How many seats have we lost over the years? nt JCanete May 2017 #94
Just say what you want to say JHan May 2017 #95
I did, that this would be pragmatism if it got results. It isn't getting results. We are perpetually JCanete May 2017 #99
So we lost over the years because Obama took a speech fee this year correct? JHan May 2017 #100
nope. Are you changing the subject? Weren't you just 1000 reccing somebody who said we shouldn't JCanete May 2017 #103
The OP is about the Obama's donating 2 million. JHan May 2017 #110
no I'm not casting insinuations. Read my posts. And again, don't pretend your response was about JCanete May 2017 #115
I just explained. JHan May 2017 #118
fuck, you haven't read anything I posted. Everything I posted was with the GOP in mind. JCanete May 2017 #119
Great, we agree, the enemy is the GOP. JHan May 2017 #122
and that we should be fighting them the best way we can, and not harming ourselves in the effort. JCanete May 2017 #123
If a conservative raised it they would be on shit and should hush. JHan May 2017 #125
it would be a deflection and an equivalance, because I raised the issue of money in politics. JCanete May 2017 #129
It is a gross assumption to make: JHan May 2017 #137
what would stop people from doing so? It's actually a money trail. It really is not the whole story, JCanete May 2017 #142
I'm saying.. JHan May 2017 #150
weird that you have a Bernie logo. He is kind of promoting the idea that we need to stop taking JCanete May 2017 #87
You now question another members Chevy May 2017 #114
no, I said it was weird. I wanted to know how the person thought about it. This wasn't casting JCanete May 2017 #116
I'm a realist AND believe in a big tent party lostnfound May 2017 #217
This angle of yours has been completely overdone for awhile now. Assuming evil R B Garr May 2017 #101
thank you R B Garr, I always take the things you say deeply to heart, and since you had so much JCanete May 2017 #106
You're welcome, JC. Seriously, those talking points have been around since 2015, and R B Garr May 2017 #113
You go on and on about nothing. Cha May 2017 #177
at least you go on about nothing in less words, so congrats. wtf? if I have nothing that interests JCanete May 2017 #178
On and on.... and on.. yeah, you're suspicious. BD Cha May 2017 #179
Since I really have no idea what you're saying, right back at you. nt JCanete May 2017 #184
AFTER is the key word you don't understand. He's not in a position to regulate anything anymore. n/t pnwmom May 2017 #26
wow, that really isn't as convincing as for some reason you think it is. Nobody could make the case, JCanete May 2017 #31
By the time Obama retired, his RECORD was enough to prove that he didn't get the speech pnwmom May 2017 #46
Thank you, I will continue to not let jealousy or spite cloud my judgement, and we didn't exactly JCanete May 2017 #66
Obama got the stimulus and other positive bills passed, pnwmom May 2017 #79
that's why you have to take that to the people. The bully puplit is powerful. Granted, its not the JCanete May 2017 #83
Your "should haves" are nothing but wishful thinking. You have no evidence to prove your assertion pnwmom May 2017 #85
I don't have any evidence. You are right. I have evidence of what happened instead. I have evidence JCanete May 2017 #89
People don't trust Democrats because the MSM has taught them not to trust anybody, pnwmom May 2017 #111
oh I know...I'm running out of time here and will read your post later, but yes absolutely, the MSM JCanete May 2017 #117
We don't need to "paint" the GOP as in the pocket of Wall Street or big business Blue_Tires May 2017 #47
Our politicians don't hammer them for it the way they could. Our party's house has too many glass JCanete May 2017 #61
You seem to have a thing against him. George II May 2017 #37
no George, I do not. I'm proud to have had him as my President. That doesn't mean I have to agree JCanete May 2017 #41
Ding! Ding! Ding! BannonsLiver May 2017 #148
Since your concern is in the same vein as the Russian hackers and trolls.. Tribalceltic May 2017 #43
totally, color it with everything else under the sun, and don't take the words and work with those. JCanete May 2017 #73
100% correct BeyondGeography May 2017 #49
It's a bullshit point and completely disregards perspective and scale Blue_Tires May 2017 #59
why not respond to my point as a bullshit point. I'm game. What's bullshit about it? nt JCanete May 2017 #68
It's not "my little axe"; it's about mindlessly handing red meat to our opponents BeyondGeography May 2017 #72
I'm hard-pressed to remember any time when Blue_Tires May 2017 #88
So Trump didn't mention the Goldman Sachs speeches a hundred times? BeyondGeography May 2017 #91
I wouldn't know because I never watched him on TV Blue_Tires May 2017 #96
It's BS and EW who are going to "lose" elections for Cha May 2017 #172
I agree Skittles May 2017 #71
You do realize Obama is not regulating any industries right now? Concerns about corruption should be TeamPooka May 2017 #92
Well shit, you've convinced me that there is no way intelligent people could get that to work. JCanete May 2017 #98
your concern is noted. mopinko May 2017 #120
People are taking a lot of notes on this board, I commend you. nt JCanete May 2017 #121
if it walks like a duck...... mopinko May 2017 #124
I'm guessing, its a paid Russian agent who has infiltrated our internets and our minds, making us JCanete May 2017 #126
dude, you jacked a thread that had nothing to do w your problem. mopinko May 2017 #151
look up and down around my post. Don't tell me you didn't know where this was going. I'm on a JCanete May 2017 #182
Bloody well said, Mo Cha May 2017 #194
a good one to ignore. mopinko May 2017 #200
I know, right Cha May 2017 #201
know the signs, people. mopinko May 2017 #202
seriously? You are pulling shit totally out of your ass. Completely. We can go up and down the ops JCanete May 2017 #208
Yeah, duly noted ad nauseam Cha May 2017 #193
I'm sure those city kids getting summer jobs are grateful for your concern. You should write ... Hekate May 2017 #140
maybe if you took the concern on the merits of the concern, and didn't make it about something else JCanete May 2017 #144
Sure Hekate May 2017 #147
President Obama is going to speak at Cantor-Fitzgerald Cha May 2017 #170
That's interesting , man, GulfCoast66 May 2017 #211
Point out where I said he was corrupt. I'm repeating it because I don't want people to misunderstand JCanete May 2017 #213
Surprised you came back...your post never stated President Obama was corrupt. GulfCoast66 May 2017 #214
Here's some of my posts. You have a nice evening. JCanete May 2017 #215
by the way, since you're taking so much faux umbrage over how "we" usually refer to President Obama, JCanete May 2017 #216
you are right OrwellwasRight May 2017 #219
What "haters"? When someone disagrees with you.. Cha May 2017 #222
no one has disagreed with me OrwellwasRight May 2017 #226
Oh, that's just a bunch of bulloney.. more whining about Cha May 2017 #229
What? OrwellwasRight May 2017 #232
K&R! herding cats May 2017 #12
Who said Obama is "out of touch"? nt Kirkwood May 2017 #13
Welcome to DU, Kirkwood! calimary May 2017 #54
Good POINT! Cha May 2017 #180
More than trump family has combined in their lifetimes donated. Eliot Rosewater May 2017 #14
Ain't that the damn truth! Orrex May 2017 #16
He donated this plaque to a civil war battle that never happened... progressoid May 2017 #133
Look at him, putting on airs and donating $2M like he's better than everyone else Orrex May 2017 #15
Hah! Kber May 2017 #30
Yeah! To help get kids jobs and Off the Streets! Who Cha May 2017 #195
Not at all surprised. nt Kahuna7 May 2017 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author m-lekktor May 2017 #21
That certainly helps me swallow his $400k payouts. Orsino May 2017 #22
I fucking promise you this will get 0.004% of the leftbro attention of "BUT CORPORATE SPEECHES"!!!! Blue_Tires May 2017 #24
Here's a book of everything Van Jones has to say about Barack and Michelle's $2 million Cha May 2017 #183
Elitist!!!! He should have donated 16 million! Initech May 2017 #29
I swear I just saw that on Twitter -- Blue_Tires May 2017 #50
I await the critics' apologies mcar May 2017 #32
It's going to be a LOOOOONG wait! George II May 2017 #39
Yeah. I'm not holding my breath mcar May 2017 #62
Lol sheshe2 May 2017 #63
Here's a book of everything Van Jones has to say about Barack and Michelle's $2 mil Cha May 2017 #181
Shocked! sheshe2 May 2017 #205
Yeah, Van Jones the "poverty tour" pundit Cha May 2017 #210
These stories just make me so sad at what we've lost. -nt CrispyQ May 2017 #33
They continue to impress me. A great couple. George II May 2017 #35
Exhibit #1 for why people need to STFU about his speeches. Bleacher Creature May 2017 #38
Sure there will be many exhibits to come n/t Chevy May 2017 #40
K & R SunSeeker May 2017 #42
I wish they would pay him a million a speech. grantcart May 2017 #45
To Potus and Flotus sheshe2 May 2017 #51
No doubt, she! Cha May 2017 #185
That's wonderful! NurseJackie May 2017 #53
Your serve, Elizabeth. nolabear May 2017 #67
Completely irrelevant melman May 2017 #77
lol Chevy May 2017 #80
And on to the ignore list you go, tough guy... Blue_Tires May 2017 #97
After all these years Chevy May 2017 #108
I haven't used the ignore either. I like you response still_one May 2017 #130
Wow I'm truly crushed melman May 2017 #157
Just so that you understand that it's YOUR problem Steven Maurer May 2017 #188
The "other issue" is not an issue. VOX May 2017 #136
The "childish thinking" is that there is another "issue".. Cha May 2017 #186
A truly great couple. greatauntoftriplets May 2017 #82
Prime example lillypaddle May 2017 #107
Get out your checkbook Elizabeth Warren lame54 May 2017 #109
K&R... spanone May 2017 #127
No doubt some will bash him for not donating his net worth, and becoming a monk still_one May 2017 #128
Who's surprised?? ailsagirl May 2017 #132
How distasteful!!!11! Hekate May 2017 #134
There's a part of me that wants to check out "the other site" for their reaction..but nah, I'll pass PragmaticLiberal May 2017 #139
No need to check there. It's here in this thread. Hekate May 2017 #146
Unfortunately, you're right. PragmaticLiberal May 2017 #149
Ooooh yes. sheshe2 May 2017 #155
That's great. Nanjeanne May 2017 #143
K&R nt ProudProgressiveNow May 2017 #152
I wouldn't care if they used the money for lifetime mani/pedis Starry Messenger May 2017 #153
Was Chevy's OP comment sarcastic? If not, it was stupid and divisive. philly_bob May 2017 #160
It's painfully obvious that it's sarcastic phleshdef May 2017 #162
Thanks, phleshdef. I'm relieved. Sorry, Chevy. philly_bob May 2017 #165
Surely, THIS comment BlueMTexpat May 2017 #191
Hey, sistah! Cha May 2017 #196
THAT'S 5 TIMES WHAT HE'S GETTING FOR A SPEAKING FEE!!!!!!! Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 2017 #163
Ah, Chevy.. some great news.. Mahalo! Cha May 2017 #169
Works for me! Lunabell May 2017 #173
Maybe not the best wording loyalsister May 2017 #189
I don't have a problem with the Robin Hood scenario Lunabell May 2017 #198
What a person does with it does not change the appearance loyalsister May 2017 #207
It's not equivalent to what 45 is doing. JHan May 2017 #218
I didn't say they were exactly the same loyalsister May 2017 #223
I just have a real difficulty with the implications of some of the arguments.. JHan May 2017 #227
Exploit is used most often in that context loyalsister May 2017 #240
Goldie Taylor.. Here's a book of everything Van Jones has to say about Barack and Michelle's $2 mil Cha May 2017 #174
LOL, Cha! BlueMTexpat May 2017 #190
That was a Good ONE.. found Cha May 2017 #192
The lable of "in touch" will change as the needs of politics do. ehrnst May 2017 #199
Miss those two.....❤️ Heartstrings May 2017 #209
I think it's awesome that they tallahasseedem May 2017 #212
wow. OrwellwasRight May 2017 #220
Oh BooHoo.. the Obamas Donated $2Million to a Cha May 2017 #221
im not trying to marginalze them OrwellwasRight May 2017 #224
BooHOO.. Yeah Keep Whining about the Obamas. Cha May 2017 #225
please quote where i said anything about the Obamas. OrwellwasRight May 2017 #228
Please Proceed.. Cha May 2017 #230
what? OrwellwasRight May 2017 #231
Yes, let's keep this Wonderful Gift to the kids in Chicago Cha May 2017 #233
KICKED Quayblue May 2017 #234
Mahalo, Quayblue! Cha May 2017 #235
Your posts are not responsive to mine OrwellwasRight May 2017 #237
Your posts don't make any sense to me. Cha May 2017 #242
How about the fact that certain purists where Chevy May 2017 #238
Just because you are pissed off at OrwellwasRight May 2017 #239
The donation would of barely got a mention Chevy May 2017 #241
So called "purists". Cha May 2017 #243
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