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H2O Man

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Tue Jun 6, 2017, 10:47 PM Jun 2017

Re: Comey and Mueller [View all]

Dick Cheney: “How can you possibly be reversing course on something of this importance after all this time?”

James Comey: “I will accept for purposes of discussion that it is as valuable as you say it is. That only makes this more painful. It doesn't change the analysis. If I can't find a lawful basis for something, your telling me you really, really need to do it doesn't help me.”

Dick Cheney: “Others see it differently.”

James Comey: “The analysis is flawed, in fact facially flawed. No lawyer reading that could reasonably rely on it.”

David Addington: “Well, I'm a lawyer, and I did.”

James Comey: “No good lawyer.”

Angler: The Cheney Vice Presidency; Barton Gellman; Penguin; 2008; pages 295-296.



As we wait for Mr. Comey to testify on Thursday, I thought it would be fun to review his interactions within the Bush-Cheney administration. Most people remember his intervening when two White House officials attempted to illegally get John Ashcroft to sign on to an enhanced “patriot act” from his hospital bed. But the confrontation detailed above – which took place a few days before – is less well-known. Gellman's book is perhaps the best resource regarding this chapter in our history.

VP Cheney was attempting to keep information on the upgraded domestic spying program secret from everyone in the administration, except a very few individuals. Indeed, unlike the “patriot act,” this program was classified at the highest level, just like the code word information Trump recently leaked to his Russian buddies. Cheney hoped that the pressure to replace the current program, set to run out in a couple days, would force the Justice Department to sign on.

Cheney and his friends were not happy that Ashcroft said he would not sign on, unless Comey was brought in. Thus, the tense meeting noted above, in which Addington shouted, “If you rule that way, the blood of the hundred thousand people who die in the next attack will be on your hands!” at Comey. The following day, when Comey arrived for another meeting with Cheney, he was refused entrance. And this is what led to the infamous conflict at Ashcroft's hospital bed.

Ashcroft's wife had instructed the hospital that absolutely no calls were to be put through to her husband's room. Andrew Card and Alberto Gonzales attempted to get through, but their call was rejected. Either one of them, or perhaps Cheney, got President Bush to call – he got through – and inform the Ashcrofts that Card and Gonzales were on their way over.

Comey was informed of their plan, and he rushed to Ashcroft's hospital room. What hasn't been reported on very often is that Comey called the FBI director, Robert Mueller, and had him inform thew guards at Ashcroft's room that Comey could not be removed when the White House ghouls arrived.

It is well known that Comey prevented Card and Gonzales from accomplishing their goal. More, as Gellman documents, Card would order Comey to go straight to the White House later in the evening. Comey told Card that after what he had witnessed at the hospital, he would refuse to meet with Card without the solicitor general of the United States present.

Comey would then hold an emergency meeting at the Justice Department. If the Cheney forces got Bush to over-rule him, Comey would resign. Numerous others stated that they would, too. This group included FBI director Mueller. Earlier in the evening, Mueller had said, “There comes a time in every man's life when the good Lord tests him.” Comey, Mueller, and the others passed that test.

Gellman writes about how the Cheney people tended to bad-mouth Comey, increasingly in the days leading up to the showdown, including around Bush. Interestingly, Bush was known to say, “Oh, Cuomey? He's a great guy!” – mistakenly mispronouncing Comey's name in the manner of team Cheney (who attempted to connect him with Andrew Cuomo, who they despised).

In fact, when Bush met with Comey in the days after the hospital conflict, and learned about the potential resignations, Bush would agree with Comey's position, rather than Cheney's. And, as we all know, in time the decision was made to appoint Patrick Fitzgerald to investigate the Plame scandal, an illegal attempt by the Office of the Vice President to conduct a “black op.”

From this episode, I think it is safe to say that Comey and Mueller are willing and able to confront the abuse of executive power. Indeed, they coordinated their efforts in the past, and they are coordinating their efforts now.

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Re: Comey and Mueller [View all] H2O Man Jun 2017 OP
I hope we don't end up with an another WhiteTara Jun 2017 #1
Convicting Scooter H2O Man Jun 2017 #2
It's sort of like if Eric goes down and Jared goes down WhiteTara Jun 2017 #3
Recommended. Tatiana Jun 2017 #4
Thanks! H2O Man Jun 2017 #8
Lord yes, I really want to see Pence go down too. What you said. Hekate Jun 2017 #17
I think Sessions H2O Man Jun 2017 #27
How do we know that Flynn is turning? n/t moonscape Jun 2017 #34
Agreed on all three points. Tatiana Jun 2017 #47
"James Comey: No good lawyer. !!! Mme. Defarge Jun 2017 #5
I respect Mr. Comey. H2O Man Jun 2017 #9
Thank you. Mme. Defarge Jun 2017 #14
I have absolutely no doubt that Comey would have done the exact same thing had Clinton StevieM Jun 2017 #20
I am terrified by the prospect of Comey being vindicated. StevieM Jun 2017 #22
Great analysis, my dear H20 Man. K&R n/t CaliforniaPeggy Jun 2017 #6
Thank you! H2O Man Jun 2017 #10
Interesting! coeur_de_lion Jun 2017 #7
Yes. H2O Man Jun 2017 #11
Interesting that you say Blue_Roses Jun 2017 #18
Right. H2O Man Jun 2017 #26
"The generals" are an interesting proposition. McMasters has apparently been sucked in ... Hekate Jun 2017 #29
I wonder H2O Man Jun 2017 #32
Now That There Is A Good Question Me. Jun 2017 #60
Thanks! K&R... spanone Jun 2017 #12
Thank you! H2O Man Jun 2017 #13
Great post Phoenix61 Jun 2017 #15
Well, well. Between your OP and Rachel's thing on the lawyer joining Mueller, I am quite cheered... Hekate Jun 2017 #16
Great point Blue_Roses Jun 2017 #21
Although Comey is a Republican... Steven Maurer Jun 2017 #19
Mr. Comey H2O Man Jun 2017 #24
That assertion is belied by Mr. Comey's political donations: Steven Maurer Jun 2017 #48
In other words, H2O Man Jun 2017 #54
Well, if you consider last year to be "many years ago" Steven Maurer Jun 2017 #55
There is no possible argument. H2O Man Jun 2017 #56
The "argument" is that "ONE year" is not "MANY years" Steven Maurer Jun 2017 #57
Wrong. H2O Man Jun 2017 #59
That is not what Wikipedia says Steven Maurer Jun 2017 #64
I don't need to. H2O Man Jun 2017 #65
Really? I have respected you in the past, H2O Man Steven Maurer Jun 2017 #66
Inspiring H2O Man! Blue_Roses Jun 2017 #23
Thank you! H2O Man Jun 2017 #25
I suspect the transcription is facially flawed.... unblock Jun 2017 #28
wrong H2O Man Jun 2017 #33
Then I'm tickled even more ;) unblock Jun 2017 #36
I am going to H2O Man Jun 2017 #39
all right, all right, don't get your nose bent out of shape ;) unblock Jun 2017 #43
My nose is fine. H2O Man Jun 2017 #44
i did not know you were a boxer! i did not intend my joke to be on the nose! unblock Jun 2017 #45
Thank YOU.💖 those days seem long ago.. furtheradu Jun 2017 #30
Thank you. H2O Man Jun 2017 #31
Knr voteearlyvoteoften Jun 2017 #35
Thanks! H2O Man Jun 2017 #40
K&R wryter2000 Jun 2017 #37
Thank you. H2O Man Jun 2017 #41
K&R. nt tblue37 Jun 2017 #38
Thanks! H2O Man Jun 2017 #42
Thanks for this important historical anecdote, H2O Man. robertpaulsen Jun 2017 #46
Thanks, Robert! H2O Man Jun 2017 #51
You're welcome! robertpaulsen Jun 2017 #72
I think Comey did H2O Man Jun 2017 #75
I almost feel sorry for McCain. robertpaulsen Jun 2017 #77
Right. H2O Man Jun 2017 #78
Wow RP Me. Jun 2017 #62
Good to see you too! robertpaulsen Jun 2017 #73
It Does Seem Bigger Me. Jun 2017 #74
That's what really does it for me too: the finances. robertpaulsen Jun 2017 #76
I Also Suspect Greater Criminality Related To Finances Me. Jun 2017 #79
Here is Comey's full statement coeur_de_lion Jun 2017 #49
Yes. H2O Man Jun 2017 #52
PM me when you're finished coeur_de_lion Jun 2017 #67
Okay. H2O Man Jun 2017 #68
wish I could brother coeur_de_lion Jun 2017 #71
Excellent WaterMan malaise Jun 2017 #50
Thanks! H2O Man Jun 2017 #53
Aaah, The Lead Up To The Plame Days Me. Jun 2017 #58
I find myself H2O Man Jun 2017 #61
This Is Getting So Interesting Me. Jun 2017 #63
A DU reunion. H2O Man Jun 2017 #69
Indeed! Me. Jun 2017 #70
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