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H2O Man

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11. Under normal circumstances,
Mon Jun 12, 2017, 01:32 PM
Jun 2017

that's definitely true. And it may well hold under the current, extremely unusual circumstances.

However, those smaller fish can not be portrayed as solid witnesses, even if they turn on Trump. It seems unlikely, for example, that either Flynn or Sessions documented any conversations, etc, with Trump, in the manner that Comey did.

More, any case per the Russian bit is much more difficult to prove, than is obstruction. And the witnesses in an obstruction case are, without any question, far stronger than in a Russian ties case. That includes Comey, as well as two other intelligence directors and a host of FBI officials who would provide evidence supporting Comey.

In my opinion -- as a member of the Democratic Party -- there are significant political advantages in having it drag out another year, per the 2018 elections. But if things unfold quicker, it would not surprise me. Either way, obstruction will be the primary charge, and there is not much more preparation needed to present that to a grand jury.

Trump Card [View all] H2O Man Jun 2017 OP
No matter how hard they try, Butternut is who he is liberal N proud Jun 2017 #1
Right. H2O Man Jun 2017 #3
Like a cologne? dchill Jun 2017 #9
Very good. H2O Man Jun 2017 #29
COVFEFE "Call On Vladimir For Every Future Election" alterfurz Jun 2017 #39
No 1! dchill Jun 2017 #40
Yet the dismantling of Pres Obama's progress cilla4progress Jun 2017 #2
I agree 100%. H2O Man Jun 2017 #4
For the time being, G_j Jun 2017 #5
Right. H2O Man Jun 2017 #30
I fear there is an extremely likely probability Mme. Defarge Jun 2017 #6
True. H2O Man Jun 2017 #12
Thanks for the reply. Mme. Defarge Jun 2017 #15
There are more H2O Man Jun 2017 #31
I can't believe I'm almost 70! Mme. Defarge Jun 2017 #32
You're absolutely sure coeur_de_lion Jun 2017 #7
Yes. H2O Man Jun 2017 #13
Newt's response seems to be coeur_de_lion Jun 2017 #18
Panic. H2O Man Jun 2017 #38
R Me. Jun 2017 #8
Mueller will go after the smaller fish first, not Trump. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2017 #10
Under normal circumstances, H2O Man Jun 2017 #11
Follow the money. The issue isn't credibility of witnesses; it's money. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2017 #16
All true. H2O Man Jun 2017 #22
If impeachment occurred after 2018, who then would be next in line? bresue Jun 2017 #35
Pence would be H2O Man Jun 2017 #37
I still can't understand why Congress didn't go after Cheney. robertpaulsen Jun 2017 #14
Right. H2O Man Jun 2017 #23
Very interesting pieces karynnj Jun 2017 #17
I don't think H2O Man Jun 2017 #41
I can't help think that chump will be stupid enough to fire Mueller kimbutgar Jun 2017 #19
I will be very surprised if he does not. Mme. Defarge Jun 2017 #21
He might. H2O Man Jun 2017 #42
I have a post further down thread about what coeur_de_lion Jun 2017 #47
I like Adam Schiff. H2O Man Jun 2017 #48
Poor doggy coeur_de_lion Jun 2017 #49
Dammit I meant to post something else from Adam Schiff coeur_de_lion Jun 2017 #50
I believe an Ind. Investigation CAN charge him with criminal activity and the GOP can't do anything. BigmanPigman Jun 2017 #20
It would be interesting. H2O Man Jun 2017 #43
KnR, as always. History will judge this administration & enablers harshly. Viciously, even. Hekate Jun 2017 #24
"Viciously" !!! H2O Man Jun 2017 #44
Tremendous projection -- Ivanka learned a lot from her old man, it now appears Hekate Jun 2017 #46
K&R myrna minx Jun 2017 #25
K&R. nt tblue37 Jun 2017 #26
Fascinating stuff, my dear H20 Man! CaliforniaPeggy Jun 2017 #27
The Whole Newt Thing Went Right By Me Me. Jun 2017 #28
I thought this was cute coeur_de_lion Jun 2017 #33
And I liked this article too coeur_de_lion Jun 2017 #34
K&R... spanone Jun 2017 #36
Very interesting thoughts. Tatiana Jun 2017 #45
Not ironic at all - an independent judiciary is all we really have left. marylandblue Jun 2017 #51
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