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Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
15. The question is not whether the discrimination is reasonable....
Thu Jun 22, 2017, 03:29 PM
Jun 2017

The question is whether the accommodation is reasonable.

We have equal employment laws that prohibit sex discrimination in hiring. Nevertheless, the Catholic Church has a religious doctrine that bars women from the priesthood. The law accommodates that belief. Some Catholics favor ordination of women and there are certainly good arguments that the discrimination against women is unreasonable. Nevertheless, as long as the church persists in that position, it's not illegal.

Do you believe that the government should require the Catholic Church to ordain women?

Of course, not all forms of accommodation are reasonable. There was a devout Muslim woman who wanted her driver's license photo taken while she wore a hijab and chador. Only her eyes would have been visible. She said that her religion prohibited her from showing any more of her face, but her plea was rejected. Allowing such a photo would unreasonably impair the function of the license photo.

You can say "always accommodate" or "never accommodate" but, IMO, both of these easy, simplistic answers are wrong.

I'm not clear on your hypothetical. If the passenger claims a religious belief that requires her to sit next to a man, then she can, under the procedure I'm asking about, take a seat in one of the non-sex-segregated rows.

Another factor is that we don't want to enable people to make up phony religions just to evade laws they don't like. The Amish have a general and long-standing religious objection to paying FICA taxes, so they're exempted from Social Security. If a bunch of libertarians establish the Church of Ayn Rand and assert that they also object, they're out of luck -- they won't get the exemption. In your question, if it appears that the passenger is just making up a religion, the precedent of the Amish (and there are other such) would be a basis for rejecting the claim.

Finally! This is long overdue. MineralMan Jun 2017 #1
Oh, good for her! It was absolutely discrimination! As a woman myself, Hortensis Jun 2017 #2
Per the linked article, the woman did agree to move. Jim Lane Jun 2017 #8
Make The Ultra-Orthodox Person Book Another Flight erpowers Jun 2017 #3
Make the ultra-orthodox person pay for the seat on each side to keep it empty. SharonAnn Jun 2017 #36
AWESOME leftynyc Jun 2017 #4
Good. I can't believe this was even a case. HughBeaumont Jun 2017 #5
Exactly. Nations and governments LanternWaste Jun 2017 #6
Now here's a tougher question Jim Lane Jun 2017 #7
Easy answer RainCaster Jun 2017 #11
But what if the airline WANTS to use assigned seating? Jim Lane Jun 2017 #12
Buying a second seat does no good MurrayDelph Jun 2017 #22
Also buying 2 seats does not mean you will Doreen Jun 2017 #29
Subsitute race for gender and I think you see how easy the answer is. geek tragedy Jun 2017 #13
You say "Separate but equal is not a thing" but what about the rest rooms? Jim Lane Jun 2017 #16
Plane restrooms are unisex. geek tragedy Jun 2017 #17
And the rest rooms in the terminal are sex-segregated. Jim Lane Jun 2017 #18
Airlines may not refuse to sell an unsold seat on a plane on the basis of race, sex, etc. geek tragedy Jun 2017 #20
If the guy sitting next to me is allowed to take out his johnson to Ilsa Jun 2017 #25
Your suggestion raises a different problem. Jim Lane Jun 2017 #32
What other discrimination based on religion would then be allowed? suffragette Jun 2017 #14
The question is not whether the discrimination is reasonable.... Jim Lane Jun 2017 #15
violating someone else's rights is not a reasonable accomodation nt geek tragedy Jun 2017 #21
Yet, you raised it being "reasonable" in your previous post. That's why I used that term. suffragette Jun 2017 #24
You misunderstood what I wrote. Jim Lane Jun 2017 #31
I was quite clear in my post. You are choosing to misdirect. suffragette Jun 2017 #35
Okay, I'll play along... brooklynite Jun 2017 #23
Good questions. Jim Lane Jun 2017 #33
If it's voluntary and limited to just a few rows for religious accommodation, I don't have an issue. NutmegYankee Jun 2017 #27
There's been plenty of people I didn't want to sit next to on a plane Bayard Jun 2017 #9
Now if only US airlines follow suit obamanut2012 Jun 2017 #10
I see an opportunity for an entrepreneur here. lpbk2713 Jun 2017 #19
Stop! quit! stop! Doreen Jun 2017 #30
I'm thinking another industry... Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2017 #37
Anyone flying on a public airline needs to get over it. Ilsa Jun 2017 #26
K&R Gothmog Jun 2017 #28
Simple solution crazycatlady Jun 2017 #34
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