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Demsrule86

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184. Two party system is all we have and all we will ever have...there are disgreements in the big
Mon Jul 17, 2017, 12:48 PM
Jul 2017

tent Democratic Party, but we can still unite and beat the GOP...when we are attacked on the left and the right, the GOP wins...which is what happened during the 70's and 80's,2000 and 2016...we are close to being wiped out by the pouting , posturing of some alt-left types (wish there was a better term and no I do not mean you) and purity politics....so unless you want to live under GOP fascism,it is time to recognize that the Dem Party is the only vehicle for progressive policy, and that will always be true.

Just let it rest. Skidmore Jul 2017 #1
If you can't say anything nice about primary candidates Warpy Jul 2017 #29
No desire to go to that Skidmore Jul 2017 #60
Please take it to the Discussionist Gothmog Jul 2017 #196
That's my point, exactly. Ken Burch Jul 2017 #118
Then Sanders has got to quit insulting us. Why do you consistently leave that part of the pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #120
Neither Sanders nor Hillary is the point. Can't we just be past both of them as personalities? Ken Burch Jul 2017 #123
I know you have been told this a number of times, but I will repeat it again in case you truly pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #127
HE IS NOT ATTACKING THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY LiberalLovinLug Jul 2017 #172
Both parties are the same. The Democratic Party does nothing for middle class. pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #173
Please source these inflamatory statements LiberalLovinLug Jul 2017 #177
If you are honestly stating you have never heard Sanders state this, then why should I bother. pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #179
Uh...that would be the one reason you should bother to I'd suspect LiberalLovinLug Jul 2017 #181
Google, Sanders: Both parties are the same. You want the info, it is there. pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #189
OK, I indulged you LiberalLovinLug Jul 2017 #193
I am not going to be sucked into fighting the primary and getting hides. The info is there. pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #197
Good. That is the whole point of the OP LiberalLovinLug Jul 2017 #202
Then it failed miserably as I and many others have pointed out to Ken Burch. Eom pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #203
It works for me to stop fighting the primaries LiberalLovinLug Jul 2017 #222
Here are some sources. I could have done pages actually but try google. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #183
And I would say that this is NOT an attack but a concern to get things right LiberalLovinLug Jul 2017 #187
"GOP shenanigans" Shenanigans? Voter theft/oppression/suppression are merely, Shenanigans? Eom pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #190
So, someone else googled for you and look, the response is: So? Proving my point, why bother. pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #191
It is an attack...in my opinion. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #210
We have not learned from last election and since I am not allowed to discuss it here Eliot Rosewater Jul 2017 #180
I really did not think people that defined themselves as progressive would encourage splitting up pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #192
Agreed, although I have met very progressive, very involved activists Eliot Rosewater Jul 2017 #194
I cannot give them an out any more than the Trump supporters. Facts are there. pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #200
Your point was clear. You don't want any critiques R B Garr Jul 2017 #199
Depends on what you mean. If supporters of either one are pushing the idea of a 2020 candidacy, pnwmom Jul 2017 #2
There's no good reason for either to run again. Ken Burch Jul 2017 #121
The anti-Trump majority already chose Hillary, by a 2.9 million vote margin. pnwmom Jul 2017 #122
We need to work harder on turnout and fighting Russian interference, but those aren't enough. Ken Burch Jul 2017 #124
"Equally, we can't win as a Clinton supporters-only party." Yes. We can. Eom pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #128
No we can't. And there's no reason to try. Ken Burch Jul 2017 #130
Yes, we can Ken Burch. Again, ignoring all that happened in this election to then pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #131
I'm not ignoring the Russian thing...but we can't win in the future if we assume that that Ken Burch Jul 2017 #143
And again. The Democratic Party is all avout economic justice to the point that Sanders himself pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #164
Democratic party weak on economic justice. Right there. Incorrect, insulting, and fighting the pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #165
It isn't a matter of just bringing along the base . . . markpkessinger Jul 2017 #148
Every one of your posts is you refighting the primary, as you insist you aren't. Re-writing history, pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #133
I'm not rewriting history. Ken Burch Jul 2017 #142
Thank you Ken for this OP LiberalLovinLug Jul 2017 #175
The Sanders endorsed candidate in Virginia lost by a large margin Gothmog Jul 2017 #198
You might want to tell Bernie that. He's not much of a uniter. nolabear Jul 2017 #3
This- he needs to be working toward a Dem majority for 2018- it's crucial to our democracy. bettyellen Jul 2017 #4
?? DeeDeeNY Jul 2017 #155
Head of Bernie's superpac says they will endorse Republicans, Libertarians and Greens. emulatorloo Jul 2017 #208
Okay, agreed DeeDeeNY Jul 2017 #213
Yep. DownriverDem Jul 2017 #15
Yep, but problem is, "two party" is kind of a myth William Seger Jul 2017 #27
No it's not a myth DownriverDem Jul 2017 #161
That is a really cogent observation hueymahl Jul 2017 #178
Two party system is all we have and all we will ever have...there are disgreements in the big Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #184
Indeed. calimary Jul 2017 #16
Cosign. nt Maven Jul 2017 #18
+1 NT Adrahil Jul 2017 #23
And Nina Turner, too. George II Jul 2017 #43
1000+ (nt) ehrnst Jul 2017 #144
Agree + 1 million. Justice Jul 2017 #163
Oh, for pete's sake! MineralMan Jul 2017 #5
Q. "Why is Bernie Sanders or Hillary Clinton a topic of conversation on DU right now?" DBoon Jul 2017 #26
I agree! It's never too early for disruptors to start meddling in the TheDebbieDee Jul 2017 #53
Hillary Clinton is out raising money for the party Gothmog Jul 2017 #37
Hillary...here. sheshe2 Jul 2017 #95
Helping members of the Democratic Party raise money is a good thing Gothmog Jul 2017 #206
Yes it is! sheshe2 Jul 2017 #209
My message is, exactly, to let it go. Ken Burch Jul 2017 #126
Actually, the way you do that is to do that first. MineralMan Jul 2017 #157
Don't confuse criticism with violations of the TOS. emulatorloo Jul 2017 #211
This IS a call to "let it go" LiberalLovinLug Jul 2017 #185
There is a difference though. Eko Jul 2017 #6
DNC allies incensed by Clinton criticism BY CRISTINA MARCOS - 06/02/17 06:00 AM EDT Omaha Steve Jul 2017 #25
What a smoking gun you have provided!!! Eko Jul 2017 #67
You said it so well mcar Jul 2017 #70
Thank-you so much for facts. Like the Russia/Trump vs Clinton/Ukraine. Not the same animal. pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #71
Beautifully Done Me. Jul 2017 #72
"This information is really key to our campaign and our strategy," Omaha Steve Jul 2017 #74
So what? Eko Jul 2017 #80
And Bernie has been out spreading the word against Trumpcare etc... Omaha Steve Jul 2017 #81
And repeatedly criticizing the Democratic party. Eko Jul 2017 #85
Well I sure didn't feel like the D party was successful last November!!! Omaha Steve Jul 2017 #87
Not that successful, Eko Jul 2017 #88
You were saying Bernie is critical Omaha Steve Jul 2017 #97
So, tell me why Eko Jul 2017 #104
Yes. Sincerely, I too would like to know why he can insult and attack not only the pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #106
I made no such comment Omaha Steve Jul 2017 #108
Sorry, this thread Eko Jul 2017 #110
+1000 (nt) ehrnst Jul 2017 #152
Why isn't Bernie inviting Clinton to go with him? R B Garr Jul 2017 #91
How do we KNOW he didn't? Omaha Steve Jul 2017 #93
Ken Burch is very very concerned about unity, so no need for a manufactured R B Garr Jul 2017 #101
+1 betsuni Jul 2017 #76
wish I could rec posts. JHan Jul 2017 #77
+1 YCHDT Jul 2017 #135
Thread winner! NastyRiffraff Jul 2017 #168
That's brilliant. Thank you for an outstanding post. NurseJackie Jul 2017 #170
Excellent post! There's a reason the GOP attacks Chelsea R B Garr Jul 2017 #225
What's a DNC ally? lapucelle Jul 2017 #79
You obviously didn't see the speech from which this article originated. R B Garr Jul 2017 #99
Thank-you so much for the clarification for those of us that did not do the background research pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #100
Thanks to you for saying that! R B Garr Jul 2017 #112
"This information is really key to our campaign and our strategy," Omaha Steve Jul 2017 #102
One doesn't have to do with the other. The RNC can still be clearly superior in R B Garr Jul 2017 #111
Hillary had at least 8 years to help change the DNC Omaha Steve Jul 2017 #221
More out of control insinuations and just bogus R B Garr Jul 2017 #224
What's this sudden love for the DNC, Steve? You know I love you but emulatorloo Jul 2017 #212
Where do you see me sticking up for the DNC? Omaha Steve Jul 2017 #218
Here emulatorloo Jul 2017 #228
Do you see anything in that post that said Hillary was wrong in complaining? Omaha Steve Jul 2017 #229
I see a lot of scrambling, strawmen arguments, and revisionist history emulatorloo Jul 2017 #230
I see in Dec 2015 DNC was great and mission critical with DWS running it Omaha Steve Jul 2017 #231
Must be time to stir the OLe Shit Pot!!!! Cryptoad Jul 2017 #7
You tell us to be united, murielm99 Jul 2017 #8
They're not going to let it go. Iggo Jul 2017 #9
When thats all they have. WTF. gilligan Jul 2017 #10
No one feels the need to attack anyone.. LakeArenal Jul 2017 #11
Love Bernie's ideas, but DownriverDem Jul 2017 #12
I wouldn't vote for him in any case...and mark my words, if runs, we lose. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #21
+1 lunamagica Jul 2017 #46
+2 grossproffit Jul 2017 #51
I like Elizabeth Warren's ideas and accomplishments. Hortensis Jul 2017 #65
And equally important GulfCoast66 Jul 2017 #103
Well, ideology is still more important than label to me. Hortensis Jul 2017 #141
That is just illogical thinking. Bernie is still a seating US Senator taking potshots at the Dems Fla Dem Jul 2017 #13
Bernie on the other hand keeps jabbing the Democrats Plucketeer Jul 2017 #34
Second time I've had to post this in this OP Omaha Steve Jul 2017 #44
We've got to stop attacking any Democrats, hash out our platform - PatrickforO Jul 2017 #14
Criticism, esp w recommendations for unifying party, is one thing. Attack not so good. Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2017 #17
I don't really think of Trump as the enemy... CCExile Jul 2017 #19
He is the enemy ...the worst president of my lifetime and the most corrupt...traitor. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #20
I took away from your post that Progressive dog Jul 2017 #22
Germany in the early 1930s DBoon Jul 2017 #24
Clinton is not creating todays headline, and making todays statement that might be addressed pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #28
Did you ever make it to an indivisible meeting yet? Gothmog Jul 2017 #30
Hillary is probably done politically, BS, is still out there being rather decisive. liberal N proud Jul 2017 #31
He is a Senator...and that is that... I don't want him to run in 20 but he can be a good Senator... Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #57
LOL! Nobody is doing that. NurseJackie Jul 2017 #32
Hahahahaha Blue_Warrior Jul 2017 #109
Yep Gothmog Jul 2017 #207
When Bernie decides to stay a Democrat .. FarPoint Jul 2017 #33
Bernie Sanders is a center-right politician in a center-right U.S.A.. hunter Jul 2017 #35
I agree with you completely. And I think this would be good as an OP nt. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #59
Let's see if I get a Ken Burch reply... hunter Jul 2017 #63
LOL SunSeeker Jul 2017 #138
Hey Hunter, this is an awesome post. I may not stand exactly with you on the political slide. pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #73
Pragmatic... that's a good word. hunter Jul 2017 #75
Bernie the center right Democratic Socialist & Independent! Omaha Steve Jul 2017 #84
Did it help or hinder? hunter Jul 2017 #89
It sure didn't bother the youngest voters (or I's) Omaha Steve Jul 2017 #92
At some risk of this post hidden by jury... hunter Jul 2017 #96
Agreed Rebl2 Jul 2017 #158
Mommy, she started it! boston bean Jul 2017 #36
Ha ha. Eom pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #66
You win this thread La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2017 #150
I haven't been keeping track.Do Bernie supporters still scoff at the notion of Russian interference? librechik Jul 2017 #38
agreed jodymarie aimee Jul 2017 #39
Yawn JHan Jul 2017 #40
Some can just not let things rest - and this after a tome earlier this week that we need to unify. George II Jul 2017 #41
Amazing, isn't it? NurseJackie Jul 2017 #47
This is about unity. Ken Burch Jul 2017 #234
Ugh. I thought all of this would be over so I un-trashed the words Bernie and Sanders. Squinch Jul 2017 #42
Smart. NurseJackie Jul 2017 #58
Also telling that the trashing of these two words eliminates the infighting posts. Squinch Jul 2017 #61
Some people prefer to block specific users, but the word-trash feature seems like it's... NurseJackie Jul 2017 #64
Hmmm... Snackshack Jul 2017 #45
Valid points, but never ever any suggestions on how to accomplish those things. It's always... George II Jul 2017 #48
Please send this to Sen Sanders. I hope he follows your advice lunamagica Jul 2017 #49
I look forward to the day when DUers attack Republicans instead of each other IronLionZion Jul 2017 #50
Still see some possible trolls in this thread tiredtoo Jul 2017 #52
Sanders doesn't get attacked. johnp3907 Jul 2017 #54
Yes, because got 3M more votes than Trump Orrex Jul 2017 #55
Post removed Post removed Jul 2017 #56
Exactly WHAT???? Bad thing has Hillary done? Blue_true Jul 2017 #62
AUMF ZX86 Jul 2017 #69
bush misused the AUMF. In principle it wasn't a bad idea, that's why so many... George II Jul 2017 #86
+1. I do not even bother anymore. Eom pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #94
I wasn't saying she had done anything wrong. Ken Burch Jul 2017 #125
There are still a lot of raw nerves. Blue_true Jul 2017 #215
Hello. Ken Burch? hunter Jul 2017 #68
Good question. Very observant. NurseJackie Jul 2017 #132
Hillary is now a private citizen again Starry Messenger Jul 2017 #78
I'm not looking to complain about any Democrat, liberal or progressive. I am getting excited about StevieM Jul 2017 #82
Hi StevieM mvd Jul 2017 #90
I think he is known as a reasonably liberal Democrat. StevieM Jul 2017 #98
True, I don't think it is either mvd Jul 2017 #105
I have to disagree. I do not think the Democratic Party can afford many more pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #107
+1 brer cat Jul 2017 #116
Point on. Eom pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #119
It's not about individuals BainsBane Jul 2017 #83
Most of my posts aren't about him. They are about US. Ken Burch Jul 2017 #129
Sanders is in front of the camera, today. We are addressing his statements from today! pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #134
That's a truthful and accurate observation. Straightforward and direct... NurseJackie Jul 2017 #145
Per the rules of this site I will not attack members of the Democratic Party GulfCoast66 Jul 2017 #113
Excellent post. Yes. Eom pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #117
+100000 n/t Chevy Jul 2017 #140
+1000. (nt) ehrnst Jul 2017 #147
Careful. Your Bernie fixation is showing. Not everything revolves around the Independent from VT. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2017 #114
Thank you. NurseJackie Jul 2017 #146
Everything revolves around old white straight men La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2017 #151
Yawn-this kind of post is exhausting. Serves no constructive purpose redstateblues Jul 2017 #115
Post removed Post removed Jul 2017 #136
Anyone who attacks the party should expect to face criticism from party supporters. n/t pnwmom Jul 2017 #137
I wish I had written this post. Your logic is sound and we need all the support we can get. Akamai Jul 2017 #139
Again? lol La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2017 #149
When I see people actually stop doing the former, I'll stop doing the latter... Blue_Tires Jul 2017 #153
I don't see attacks; I see criticism... brooklynite Jul 2017 #154
I have checked my calendar, just in case, and it is indeed 2017. betsuni Jul 2017 #156
If Bernie Would Just Stop Dissing the Democratic Party dlk Jul 2017 #159
Stop the infighting. Stop the hate threads on DU. /nt philly_bob Jul 2017 #160
Sacred cows are attacked, politicians merely criticized. LanternWaste Jul 2017 #162
I agree VaBchTgerLily Jul 2017 #166
Thank you Ken. nt zentrum Jul 2017 #167
The Dem Party is not above criticism . . FairWinds Jul 2017 #169
Post removed Post removed Jul 2017 #171
Well no, Bernie did not "take" the Clinton college plan, FairWinds Jul 2017 #174
Yes, Sanders did adopt Clinton's and then tried to own it. pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #176
Excellent post lunamagica Jul 2017 #195
People should react to what they're doing and saying now. If Sanders been disappointing - bettyellen Jul 2017 #182
Bernie is not a Democrat. Orsino Jul 2017 #186
The Koch Bros are not democrats either . . FairWinds Jul 2017 #188
Dems have no problem with Koch Brothers. Seriously? That is offensive, as a Democrat and pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #201
Not just offensive Trumpocalypse Jul 2017 #217
Exactly. The OP questions why as Democrats we have to constantly challenge the lies. Eom pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #219
Where do you folks think the Democratic FairWinds Jul 2017 #227
I got dinged for even mentioning names of people Alice11111 Jul 2017 #204
You go on and on about how many angels dance on the head of a pin Cary Jul 2017 #205
There is no Hillary, only Zuul. betsuni Jul 2017 #214
Bull Trumpocalypse Jul 2017 #216
He's critiquing it, bluntly. He's calling for change in the party, not its abolition. Ken Burch Jul 2017 #233
If he wants to change it so badly then he should join it. Trumpocalypse Jul 2017 #236
In fairness, Bernie is the one inserting himself with divisive comments ecstatic Jul 2017 #220
Well, if either does something totally screwed up, I would certainly say something like "whoa this kerry-is-my-prez Jul 2017 #223
Democrats are progressive. delisen Jul 2017 #226
I was a Bernie supporter until he lost the primaries . . FairWinds Jul 2017 #232
All the above ↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑ is why Trump has a chance of winning again in 2020. Locut0s Jul 2017 #235
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