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H2O Man

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38. Good question.
Mon Jul 17, 2017, 05:31 PM
Jul 2017

All of us experience anger from time to time, in various aspects of our lives. It would be silly to deny that reality. And you are talking about in a specific aspect -- today's political reality, where a flaming ass-wipe is president, and mentally-dead republicans are supporting him, even though a majority of they recognize he is toxic. So we'll focus on that.

I believe Trump et al represent an extremely serious threat to our constitutional democracy (imperfect as it is). I'm convinced he poses a severe danger to my children's future, and to all the younger generations, both here and abroad. And I think that a lot of people believe the same basic thing. Right? So the question confronting us is what, if anything, are we going to do?

Every person has to answer that on an individual level. And that must, by definition, include what they will attempt both internally and externally. This is based upon an analysis of both what is important to them, and their beliefs about what capacities they have. And what they are willing to invest in the larger group process of confronting the illegal, unethical, and immoral nature of the Trump administration, and all of its cruelties.

To invest -- be it time, money, effort, etc -- means to transfer from one area of our lives to another, like writing a check from our bank account. It involves assessing how much we are each willing to give. It involves sacrifice. And when we consider it in that context, we come to a question: Do we merely want to continue a divisive conflict, or do we want to transform our society? While they both can be said to represent "change," one is short-sighted, while the other is far more comprehensive.

When you look at "politics" right now, be it in DC, on tv, or even an internet forum such as this -- it is easy to feel angry, for one is exposing one's self to anger. But most of that anger has zero potential for transforming the current dynamics into something better. Look at about 50% of OP/threads on this forum. People are clutching old hostilities, as if they were gold. Hence, there is absolutely no potential for them to make any progress -- as individuals, hence agents of change in society -- until they are willing to sacrifice that thing they so love and value: their anger.

This is, as you know, a concept central to Haudenosaunee thought: as groups and as individuals, we must access the Power of the Good Mind to achieve meaningful changes in society. You can't transform an angry society by remaining angry.

Finally, before I talk so much that you wish you hadn't asked, it generally works best as a conscious group effort. Only a few individuals do it on their own.

Angry Fellows [View all] H2O Man Jul 2017 OP
K&R. nt tblue37 Jul 2017 #1
Thank you! H2O Man Jul 2017 #11
You are right. This dysfunctional crew is likely to erupt in a furious feeding frenzy, Nitram Jul 2017 #2
Right. H2O Man Jul 2017 #12
Anger's nothing, just wait until panic takes hold. denbot Jul 2017 #3
Then, we get to see Libertarianism on full display as people start to enter Hobbes's State of Nature TheBlackAdder Jul 2017 #5
I agree. H2O Man Jul 2017 #13
The angrier they get the more calm I feel lunatica Jul 2017 #4
I feel like they've shown us their triggers pretty clearly oxbow Jul 2017 #7
Being laughed at H2O Man Jul 2017 #17
Something tells me they won't like that at all :). Eom oxbow Jul 2017 #31
I agree. H2O Man Jul 2017 #16
Stone has had issues his entire adult life (probably before) and someone should have made him Boomerproud Jul 2017 #6
Well said! H2O Man Jul 2017 #19
Excellent. Anger is toxic and damages your own team. An angry warrior is a dead warrior -- Musashi. Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2017 #8
Thanks for this! H2O Man Jul 2017 #20
Confusius, Buddha, Trump. Which one of these three is unlike the other? grantcart Jul 2017 #9
Hard to know. All 3 are confusing. All 3 are from bygone eras. All 3 are overweight. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2017 #10
All three loved golf. H2O Man Jul 2017 #22
Too funny! H2O Man Jul 2017 #21
They also seem to attract angry people who they then make even angrier. Ligyron Jul 2017 #14
Key point. H2O Man Jul 2017 #23
They're in complete meltdown malaise Jul 2017 #15
Indeed, it is! H2O Man Jul 2017 #24
K&R... spanone Jul 2017 #18
Thanks! H2O Man Jul 2017 #25
Excellent. raven mad Jul 2017 #26
I have a feeling H2O Man Jul 2017 #28
Once Again, Laye to The Game Me. Jul 2017 #27
I think it's H2O Man Jul 2017 #29
That Would Be Late To The Game Me. Jul 2017 #30
We will know. H2O Man Jul 2017 #32
Amatuers Me. Jul 2017 #33
We'll see H2O Man Jul 2017 #34
What about our own anger? coeur_de_lion Jul 2017 #35
Do you have the power to be analytical? lunatica Jul 2017 #36
Thanks that does help some coeur_de_lion Jul 2017 #37
Good question. H2O Man Jul 2017 #38
Wow you never cease to amaze me H coeur_de_lion Jul 2017 #39
Such a group H2O Man Jul 2017 #40
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