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Hekate

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17. Hm. I remember the continuous screeching here that Obama was "spelunking" (caving in)...
Thu Jul 20, 2017, 11:01 AM
Jul 2017

...that he was throwing (pick a constituency) "under the bus," that he "promised" single payer (he did not) and reneged, and on and on ad nauseum. The perfidy of the man knew no bounds, apparently. Those of us who understood his patient strategy and defended it were driven into the BOG for the duration of his presidency. I mean, really, eight damn years.

See, I don't forget these things.

Worse, because Obama was never one to toot his own horn excessively (or even very much at all) his name got attached to the stereotypes about the plan by low-information voters and every bump in the road was magnified to a gaping chasm and attributed to him as a failure. Leftish voters who should have known better participated in this game, too.

The few red state governors who adopted the ACA and helped it succeed attached their state's name to it (KYnect, for instance) which was fine, but allowed the vilification of that "damn Obamacare" to proceed apace. Other red state governors went out of their way to be unhelpful.

When Barack Obama left office he was asked about the future of his landmark legislation, given how much the GOP wanted to destroy it. He opined that it was not going to be easy to get rid of, now that people actually had something so essential. And he was right about that. It's possible, because the GOP has devolved into something malicious. But it is not going to be easy.

The idea of moving left is not to pick up previous moderates, but to attract previous non-voters. flor-de-jasmim Jul 2017 #1
I know that. Is there any evidence that it actually works? DanTex Jul 2017 #2
It won't happen. We have no time to waste on this nonsense. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #5
I'm open to the idea that it's possible, if it were accompanied by evidence. DanTex Jul 2017 #8
"Move to the left" is the wrong term. Chasstev365 Jul 2017 #3
Sure but now we're talking marketing rather than substance. DanTex Jul 2017 #4
the 'new deal' is 80 years old...and will disappear if the alt-left (green riffraff) Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #6
By that logic the Constitution is 200 + years old. Chasstev365 Jul 2017 #9
Obamacare. Barack_America Jul 2017 #7
Hm. I remember the continuous screeching here that Obama was "spelunking" (caving in)... Hekate Jul 2017 #17
There are aspects of your argument GaryCnf Jul 2017 #10
THIS! 90's Dems had moved to the right of Nixon. Greybnk48 Jul 2017 #12
Democrats are at their weakest point in decades. Blue_true Jul 2017 #11
Above all Dems need to deal with voter suppression and obviously hackable tblue37 Jul 2017 #13
I really believe with the Sanders elimate, that is creating the Democrats have a problem is the pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #15
Voter suppression is definitely THE issue. As for "wealthy supporters".... Hekate Jul 2017 #19
Dems are at their weakest point in many decades pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #14
When the other side promotes outright lunacy, it's foolish to try to stake out a middle ground. nt killbotfactory Jul 2017 #16
It's hard to say what anyone wants--the Dems get more votes, but less representation Starry Messenger Jul 2017 #18
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