Pardon us while we get sick. (Reply #42)

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Thu Jul 20, 2017, 10:33 PM

Marcuse (6,568 posts)

42. Pardon us while we get sick.

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177 replies	Author	Time	Post
***BREAKING***WAPO- Trump considering pardoning himself and criminal associates [View all]	DemocratSinceBirth	Jul 2017	OP
Maddow reporting Trumps lawyers looking into what Trumps authority would be to parden	riversedge	Jul 2017	#1
He cannot pardon State crimes in State courts like NY, NJ, etc...	Madam45for2923	Jul 2017	#175
He knows Don Jr. is going to crack under pressure	Thrill	Jul 2017	#2
I think he gave Junior up	gldstwmn	Jul 2017	#71
Being anything but an expert in these matters,	BobTheSubgenius	Jul 2017	#91
New York Times is reporting too	leftinalabama	Jul 2017	#3
He's done. But if he leaves, we get Pence.	dixiegrrrrl	Jul 2017	#12
Dems need to make sure Pence, Ryan, and the rest of the Republican party	klook	Jul 2017	#39
They're not going to pay any price whatsoever, or even get charged for the bill,	Volaris	Jul 2017	#67
Pence is most probably compromisd as well	Perseus	Jul 2017	#43
If Trump was elected by fraud, then so was Pence.	keithbvadu2	Jul 2017	#61
True.... unfortunately there's no way to undo an election	groundloop	Jul 2017	#66
As far as I know...	IthinkThereforeIAM	Jul 2017	#94
There is no mechanism to undo an election.	Demsrule86	Jul 2017	#115
I wasn't implying that the election was ...	IthinkThereforeIAM	Jul 2017	#127
We will get Ryan then.	Demsrule86	Jul 2017	#135
More likely Orrin Hatch...	IthinkThereforeIAM	Jul 2017	#144
e will get President Hatch, and hopefully a Dem in 2010	obamanut2012	Jul 2017	#146
More like Superintendsent Hatch	jmowreader	Jul 2017	#147
Yep...a Dem needs to win in 20, I hope we get the Senate in 18 and shut down	Demsrule86	Jul 2017	#151
Why would you think that?	regnaD kciN	Jul 2017	#101
Couple scenarios are likely here.	dixiegrrrrl	Jul 2017	#129
Senate Intel committee will most likely hire Mueller if agent Orange fires him	onetexan	Jul 2017	#145
Schumer said something to that affect, in a stern tone.	dixiegrrrrl	Jul 2017	#152
trump cant say no to the senate	onetexan	Jul 2017	#155
I hope to God he can't walk away from this...truly a constitutional crisis.	Demsrule86	Jul 2017	#114
Mueller's hound dogs are getting too close to the crime family's financial statements	dalton99a	Jul 2017	#4
I think you are right	harun	Jul 2017	#120
Every one of herr drumpf's actions screams of guilt.	greatauntoftriplets	Jul 2017	#5
Sure do.	Blue_true	Jul 2017	#10
Can he pardon himself before charges are	Tiggeroshii	Jul 2017	#6
How about others ?	DemocratSinceBirth	Jul 2017	#11
Ford pardoned Nixon prospectively	marylandblue	Jul 2017	#15
Yes but there's a catch!	Worktodo	Jul 2017	#21
Actually, there was a case like that in1915	marylandblue	Jul 2017	#50
They will testify	Cosmocat	Jul 2017	#60
Sitting in a cell	orangecrush	Jul 2017	#78
How so?	Cosmocat	Jul 2017	#118
Didn't elderBush pardon Casper Weinberger even though not convicted?	keithbvadu2	Jul 2017	#63
Weinberger was indicted	DemocratSinceBirth	Jul 2017	#117
Good question	FarPoint	Jul 2017	#59
Nixon has better moral fiber-refuse to pardon before resigning	Catmusicfan	Jul 2017	#7
Hey, GOP, you still okay with this?	Barack_America	Jul 2017	#8
If it keeps them in power?	Bettie	Jul 2017	#64
My guess.........	SergeStorms	Jul 2017	#65
"Don't mess with our rubber stamp!!"	Beartracks	Jul 2017	#158
Time for us to fasten our seatbelts, gang nt	eleny	Jul 2017	#9
Disgusting if everyone in this admin gets away with it due to pardon power	OliverQ	Jul 2017	#13
Trump's power to pardon	dgibby	Jul 2017	#44
Ahhhh sweet...	FarPoint	Jul 2017	#62
No, but Schneiderman can.	smirkymonkey	Jul 2017	#72
Can NY use the investigation data from Mueller?	FarPoint	Jul 2017	#81
I'm not sure. That's a good point. I am sure that Schneiderman	smirkymonkey	Jul 2017	#97
It should be able to as long as the collection didn't violate the constitution of NY	dsc	Jul 2017	#100
Wouldn't it be rich if any of those NY investigations resulted in asset	R B Garr	Jul 2017	#106
But if Drumpf implodes and takes himself off the board	central scrutinizer	Jul 2017	#14
If trump tried to pardon himself, it would definitely be challenged in the courts. For one	still_one	Jul 2017	#16
Yes, and didn't some congressman from Texas	Mr.Bill	Jul 2017	#30
The "except in cases of impeachment" clause means that the President can't prevent anyone...	PoliticAverse	Jul 2017	#79
Then that would apply	Mr.Bill	Jul 2017	#128
I'm pretty sure that the Supreme Court would reject the idea of a President being able....	PoliticAverse	Jul 2017	#130
I agree,	Mr.Bill	Jul 2017	#140
I think it would be 9-0 if the issue were raised now. I don't think any more...	PoliticAverse	Jul 2017	#142
Al Green, from Houston n/t	TexasBushwhacker	Jul 2017	#95
It's very unlikely the Supreme Court would find that the President could pardon himself. n/t	PoliticAverse	Jul 2017	#76
I agree	still_one	Jul 2017	#93
So he pardons everybody, resigns and then pence pardons him	elehhhhna	Jul 2017	#136
That could indeed happen. n/t	PoliticAverse	Jul 2017	#138
There's enough popcorn for everybody, pass around	MiddleClass	Jul 2017	#17
Thanks!	montana_hazeleyes	Jul 2017	#36
You're welcome, a pleasure	MiddleClass	Jul 2017	#149
Thanks!	think4yourself	Jul 2017	#58
You're welcome, again a pleasure	MiddleClass	Jul 2017	#150
Is it possible	Corgigal	Jul 2017	#18
So this is how it ends? Signs of it anyway. Looks like they all	R B Garr	Jul 2017	#19
If running from criminal charges and pardoning himself gets him out of power...	NightWatcher	Jul 2017	#22
I hear you! Looks like he has an eye on the exit.	R B Garr	Jul 2017	#26
Mueller should let him know that it's a safe out.	NightWatcher	Jul 2017	#28
I hope they're all hitting the Constitutional books tonight to find a way.	R B Garr	Jul 2017	#29
Apparently presidential pardons are good for federal crimes only.	Enoki33	Jul 2017	#52
Correct	dflprincess	Jul 2017	#56
Looks like New York might be hostile territory for him, then. He's insulted so	R B Garr	Jul 2017	#105
From your lips to Gods ear.	sheshe2	Jul 2017	#102
It's like the Hunt for Red October in reverse.	R B Garr	Jul 2017	#103
Yup.	sheshe2	Jul 2017	#104
But will he just stay in office with a complicit Congress?	Demsrule86	Jul 2017	#116
We are living in HISTORIC times.	Mrs. Overall	Jul 2017	#20
...	Oneironaut	Jul 2017	#23
lol, that's good.	R B Garr	Jul 2017	#27
I know most presidents/aides that are	ALBliberal	Jul 2017	#24
But they can't be pardoned from crimes not yet committed.	Mr.Bill	Jul 2017	#34
Good point	ALBliberal	Jul 2017	#41
In theory	angrychair	Jul 2017	#54
Can he give them repeated blanket pardons?	Generic Brad	Jul 2017	#55
The President can't pardon away future crimes. n/t	PoliticAverse	Jul 2017	#80
But one adviser said the president has simply expressed a curiosity in understanding	grantcart	Jul 2017	#25
Apparently he's curious about Russian adoptions as well.	flibbitygiblets	Jul 2017	#47
We're really into brand new territory here	NastyRiffraff	Jul 2017	#31
I don't think there are many knowledgeable people that think the courts would allow...	PoliticAverse	Jul 2017	#86
Y'know, Trump... Pardoning is only for guilty parties. No, really. n/t	Beartracks	Jul 2017	#32
+1	CentralMass	Jul 2017	#113
Obviously, trump cannot pardon his family or himself because that	Akamai	Jul 2017	#33
Trump can certainly pardon family members, but most likely not himself. n/t	PoliticAverse	Jul 2017	#83
Good distinction you make here, but if you think pardoning	Akamai	Jul 2017	#92
Trump is guilty of so much shit, let him pardon himself for something and then charge him with	world wide wally	Jul 2017	#35
The timing of this pardon talk appears as conspiracy to obstruct justice by 45 and his lawyers.	ancianita	Jul 2017	#37
If he's allowed to get away with this then our Constitution	ecstatic	Jul 2017	#38
That's an excellent point	onetexan	Jul 2017	#148
The wild card is charges at the NY state level.	roamer65	Jul 2017	#40
More and more this state level prosecution	ALBliberal	Jul 2017	#46
Pardon us while we get sick.	Marcuse	Jul 2017	#42
I was waiting for this all along	benld74	Jul 2017	#45
As Steve Schmidt said a few months ago	Best_man23	Jul 2017	#48
So he admits he's guilty.	BainsBane	Jul 2017	#49
I smell blood. The big boom is coming!! And I hope it takes out the gop too	AgadorSparticus	Jul 2017	#51
To be pardonnrd you have to be guilty	burrowowl	Jul 2017	#53
Not necessarily, although it is somewhat an unsettled legal question. n/t	PoliticAverse	Jul 2017	#82
As I read Burdick v. US, 236 U.S. 79 (1915)	TomSlick	Jul 2017	#159
Well the thing is you can be pardoned even if you haven't committed any crimes.	PoliticAverse	Jul 2017	#160
An interesting question but	TomSlick	Jul 2017	#161
Well that's the question. If you are offered a pardon until you invoke that pardon...	PoliticAverse	Jul 2017	#162
Part of the problem	TomSlick	Jul 2017	#163
These are the sorts of questions you don't ask.	Turbineguy	Jul 2017	#57
This just gets better and better...	Luciferous	Jul 2017	#68
If he tries this then	gldstwmn	Jul 2017	#69
I hope the entire cabal goes down.	gademocrat7	Jul 2017	#70
Down, down, down, in a burnin' ring of fire...	Hekate	Jul 2017	#74
STAND BACK!	orangecrush	Jul 2017	#73
Scorched Earth Coming	DallasNE	Jul 2017	#75
Claude just posted that Mueller has Trump's tax returns, because Comey had them.	OliverQ	Jul 2017	#77
Pardons could lead to impeachment	Shoonra	Jul 2017	#84
It was the plan all along....	Pachamama	Jul 2017	#85
Bloody hell, this is major history we are witnessing...	Puzzler	Jul 2017	#87
Over a "fake news nothingburger"?	Warren DeMontague	Jul 2017	#88
I started a thread on this a while back	Gothmog	Jul 2017	#89
H Y P O C R I T E S ! ! ! !	Roland99	Jul 2017	#90
If a President could pardon himself why didn't Nixon?	Lint Head	Jul 2017	#96
Because Nixon had more class than 45. For everything bad about Nixon, you have to say...	Midnight Writer	Jul 2017	#98
Nixon had been an honorable WWII veteran. Trump has no patriotism.	WinkyDink	Jul 2017	#110
Well Nixon didn't even pardon the other people in his administration	PoliticAverse	Jul 2017	#99
I don't think Trump will. He wants to pardon himself.	Lint Head	Jul 2017	#107
Trump's admitting guilt for	Hieronymus	Jul 2017	#108
Can a President pardon himself?	WinkyDink	Jul 2017	#109
No	Hieronymus	Jul 2017	#112
Thank goodness for small favors!	WinkyDink	Jul 2017	#119
Trump's basically admitting that crimes	octoberlib	Jul 2017	#111
And when the evidence comes in that he is an international criminal working	Eliot Rosewater	Jul 2017	#126
Can't he still be impeached by Congress, even if he pardons himself?	eShirl	Jul 2017	#121
This is a Fiat Dictatorship	bucolic_frolic	Jul 2017	#122
It's a dictatorship if it's allowed to stand, and I have my doubts.	Texin	Jul 2017	#124
At this point, nothing would surprise me	misanthrope	Jul 2017	#169
Doesn't it sound as if he is exploring his options before tendering his resignation?	Texin	Jul 2017	#123
If that is the case....	Srkdqltr	Jul 2017	#125
There is no right to self de-incrimination	bucolic_frolic	Jul 2017	#131
The Onion is now officially obsolete.	matt819	Jul 2017	#132
This message was self-deleted by its author	Jake Stern	Jul 2017	#133
Only someone as dumb as Drumpf would think that he could actually pardon himself	red dog 1	Jul 2017	#134
Clueless In Washington	apkhgp	Jul 2017	#137
Under what circumstance would he even consider such thoughts? He has no ties to Russia.	ffr	Jul 2017	#139
Bush the elder pardoned people who could have testified against him . .	FairWinds	Jul 2017	#141
I just cannot wrap my head around the idea that Trump might be able to pardon himself.	hamsterjill	Jul 2017	#143
There is really only one family member Cheetolini* wants to pardon...	Raster	Jul 2017	#153
What a frikkin carny side show we're in.	BlancheSplanchnik	Jul 2017	#154
Carnival barker. Props go to President Obama.	mobeau69	Jul 2017	#167
Ah, thank you	BlancheSplanchnik	Jul 2017	#168
I'm pretty sure you can't pardon yourself	Dopers_Greed	Jul 2017	#156
And why would he even be asking about this if he or the family were clean?	calimary	Jul 2017	#157
When has Dipshit expressed a curiousity in anything?	Thor_MN	Jul 2017	#164
Self-pardoning is a very sovereign citizen move	jmowreader	Jul 2017	#165
If he does that everyone will know that they are without a doubt guilty. n/t	Zing Zing Zingbah	Jul 2017	#166
Trump will take every extreme unimaginable measure and get away unblemished	Awsi Dooger	Jul 2017	#170
Yes he can -- and Congress can impeach him for it!	Shoonra	Jul 2017	#171
The problem with that is	Orcrist	Jul 2017	#172
To be honest, at this point I don't even care about charges.	logosoco	Jul 2017	#173
He cannot pardon State crimes in State courts like NY, NJ, etc...	Madam45for2923	Jul 2017	#174
He cannot pardon State crimes in State courts like NY, NJ, etc...	Madam45for2923	Jul 2017	#176
Convictions are needed to exercise the pardon prerogative	bucolic_frolic	Jul 2017	#177

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