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JCanete

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2. If the second leads to winning elections at the cost of standing for something,
Mon Jul 24, 2017, 05:01 PM
Jul 2017

then it doesn't matter who wins the election. The D has to actually mean something. People so eagerly willing to vote for the latter take as a given that without actually holding our own leadership's feet to the fire, the D will always just naturally be better. As if history shows that. You can't clamp down on criticism and unfettered expression and come out of it with a democratic product that represents the people. Any time you stifle criticism you open the door for paternalism and authoritarianism. There's already a party for people okay with that. That won't do us any favors on this side of the spectrum, and because of the makeup of the Democratic voter base, I highly doubt that our public disagreements within our party are more detrimental to our success than they are retentive of our membership.

The idealogical purity criticism continues to be a false one anyway. It isn't about what we can ultimately get. Everybody seems to be willing to take what we can get when we can get it. Sanders has shown that time and time again, he will sign onto less than perfect legislation. It is about what we try to get. It is about what we go after and promote to the American people in order to make those political impossibilities possible. How is that ideological purity? Why are these the people we need to shut up, in order to cater to the lowest common (D)nominator, like Manchin's of the party?

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We never would have desegregated the party zipplewrath Jul 2017 #1
Prove it Cary Jul 2017 #4
We knew the risk we were taking zipplewrath Jul 2017 #33
The GOP Southern Strategy was a GOP concept Gothmog Jul 2017 #9
What does one have to do with the other? George II Jul 2017 #13
We occasionally have to risk losing zipplewrath Jul 2017 #32
If the second leads to winning elections at the cost of standing for something, JCanete Jul 2017 #2
boring Cary Jul 2017 #3
what a fucking embarrassing response. Why pose a question if you don't want to engage in it? JCanete Jul 2017 #5
It was direct, to the point, and succinct Cary Jul 2017 #8
what I got out of it was that you didn't have an intelligent counterargument, so settled on petty. JCanete Jul 2017 #10
I see. My error. Cary Jul 2017 #12
boring and incredibly self-defeating and unrealistic. R B Garr Jul 2017 #6
And presumptuous Cary Jul 2017 #7
good job...put up a straw man you have no evidence for in anything I've said, and then have a circle JCanete Jul 2017 #11
This was an actual quote from an actual post.... R B Garr Jul 2017 #15
since you're quoting me, what does that quote mean to you that you object to? nt JCanete Jul 2017 #23
Purity and or Perfection sheshe2 Jul 2017 #19
Thanks She! Cary Jul 2017 #21
We will persist! sheshe2 Jul 2017 #25
Yes we will. brer cat Jul 2017 #29
:) sheshe2 Jul 2017 #31
+1 leftstreet Jul 2017 #20
In spite of some discord and discontent here, it appears we want to win elections. Cary Jul 2017 #14
Duh. Absent that, now and then, gilbert sullivan Jul 2017 #17
Are you suggesting the two choices are irrevocably gilbert sullivan Jul 2017 #16
I find Chuck Schumer today to be demoralizing Cary Jul 2017 #18
He's a politician, not a counselor leftstreet Jul 2017 #27
You're an anonymous poster on an internet board Cary Jul 2017 #28
LOL 'unfettered and undisciplined' n/t leftstreet Jul 2017 #22
Cry Cary Jul 2017 #24
Win first, evolve second. Eliot Rosewater Jul 2017 #26
*This* nt brer cat Jul 2017 #30
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