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ehrnst

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64. How about sticking with actual politically neutral experts on health policy?
Sat Jul 29, 2017, 05:18 PM
Jul 2017

When right wingers stick with their position that closing down Planned Parenthood will eliminate or greatly reduce abortions, they are ignoring the data, and sticking with the dogma.

I thought that we were the party of facts and data over dogma.

Time for a better marketing name Gabi Hayes Jul 2017 #1
Call it Sammy! I don't care. We just need to get the discussion OUT there. annabanana Jul 2017 #2
Agree in a way, but sadly, KGOP is light years Gabi Hayes Jul 2017 #3
Heh. Didn't read the body Gabi Hayes Jul 2017 #4
How about one less word, maybe 'PUBLIC HEALTHCARE' nolabels Jul 2017 #5
How about "Universal Health Care Coverage" ehrnst Jul 2017 #6
No. Sounds like for-profit insurance leftstreet Jul 2017 #16
It's the correct term. And "Public" will be hammered ehrnst Jul 2017 #24
No one cares what the rest of the world has leftstreet Jul 2017 #30
Sure they do and you see that argument here all the time. "The rest of the developed world has..." stevenleser Jul 2017 #31
+1000 (nt) ehrnst Jul 2017 #32
Medicare isn't single payer. ehrnst Jul 2017 #7
I believe that 'single payer' means... Trial_By_Fire Jul 2017 #9
No. Single Payer means one entity paying all basic health care ehrnst Jul 2017 #11
No, the VA is not 'single payer' - it is true socialized medicine... Trial_By_Fire Jul 2017 #12
The two of you are talking past each other to an extent. There are a couple of points though stevenleser Jul 2017 #15
Familiar with Daivd Jolly's idea? Bradshaw3 Jul 2017 #93
What I am trying to say is that "Medicare for all" and "Single Payer" are not the same thing. ehrnst Jul 2017 #17
Yep, I agree 100%. nt stevenleser Jul 2017 #19
This makes a lot of sense Bradshaw3 Jul 2017 #91
It was part of HRC's plan. (nt) ehrnst Jul 2017 #99
Excellent again! First things first. R B Garr Jul 2017 #96
Medicareforall.org has detailed information on HR 676 lapucelle Jul 2017 #83
Yep. It's a conversation starter. ehrnst Jul 2017 #100
If you don't want to preach to the choir: Patriotcare, Americare... (nt) ehrnst Jul 2017 #38
+1000 Americare! marylandblue Jul 2017 #51
Americare stage left Jul 2017 #89
I like that.. Americare. KentuckyWoman Jul 2017 #109
Yeap YCHDT Jul 2017 #111
This is what I spout. Most understand it and sees it work for their elderly family Purveyor Jul 2017 #81
Amen! And strike while the iron is hot rurallib Jul 2017 #8
U R G Ne US (A!). It's all about the marketing: Gabi Hayes Jul 2017 #10
Marketing is a badgered word but in reality it is something we couldn't live without nolabels Jul 2017 #52
Exactly: from Edward bernays to Fred Koch to James Buchanan Gabi Hayes Jul 2017 #54
Thank you, that's a cool book nolabels Aug 2017 #112
Been trying to spread the word Gabi Hayes Aug 2017 #113
No it is not...the first job is to save the ACA...for God's sake people...lets deal with our reality Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #48
Medicare is a term people recognize and like. davsand Jul 2017 #13
Way, way, way more than a "bit of tweaking." ehrnst Jul 2017 #21
Single payer was introduced and voted on yesterday by a Republican. Weekend Warrior Jul 2017 #14
I think that's a trap we're going to fall right into ehrnst Jul 2017 #18
That was my point. Weekend Warrior Jul 2017 #20
No worries - realized I needed to edit. (nt) ehrnst Jul 2017 #22
Exactly, that's the kind of game that is being played. R B Garr Jul 2017 #95
that link is to everything done in the house...What was the number? annabanana Jul 2017 #23
Sorry about that. Weekend Warrior Jul 2017 #27
Every member of the senate Democratic caucus voted "present". lapucelle Jul 2017 #86
Here is Rep. Conyers reaction to his bill being appropriated: lapucelle Jul 2017 #84
We need to seperate healthcare from health insurance DeminPennswoods Jul 2017 #25
I don't think we should have preconditions that are unrelated to outcomes stevenleser Jul 2017 #29
Yes! We have to acknowledge that medical care costs money - a lot. ehrnst Jul 2017 #34
Before he went over to the dark side, Kucinich DeminPennswoods Jul 2017 #41
Are you sure it was the private insurance? forthemiddle Jul 2017 #44
The "Medicare for all" that was being put forward by Sanders ehrnst Jul 2017 #45
I agree forthemiddle Jul 2017 #49
The total healthcare expediture money is there, it's DeminPennswoods Jul 2017 #61
I may agree with you forthemiddle Jul 2017 #62
Civil servants DeminPennswoods Jul 2017 #92
So tell us how that money will be re-allocated. ehrnst Jul 2017 #65
How about out of insurance premiums, insurance admin salaries, DeminPennswoods Jul 2017 #94
That's a small part of the total. But HOW do you re-allocate that? You stated where from and who to. ehrnst Jul 2017 #97
I don't have all, or even many, of the answers DeminPennswoods Jul 2017 #101
Those questions all have to be answered. ehrnst Jul 2017 #102
Offer your idea(s) then. DeminPennswoods Jul 2017 #106
Gradual expansion of the ACA is what health policy experts say is most realistic. ehrnst Jul 2017 #110
No, not completely sure DeminPennswoods Jul 2017 #59
You are absolutely right; however lapucelle Jul 2017 #87
The payment system is a part of health care. You have to have a pool of payers ehrnst Jul 2017 #33
That isnt single payer bill, is it? Eliot Rosewater Jul 2017 #26
Good catch. See my correction in #35. (n/t) Jim Lane Jul 2017 #37
Health Care USA. Wellstone ruled Jul 2017 #28
Bill number and link in OP are wrong Jim Lane Jul 2017 #35
thanks.. fixed annabanana Jul 2017 #40
No, it is a bad idea. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #36
Jimmy Carter and AL Gore recently spoke out in favour of single payer universal health care. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #39
That depends on how Americans hear opposing arguments ehrnst Jul 2017 #43
I don't base my opinions on what others think, especially the American public. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #56
I'm giving you data on what the public actually thinks ehrnst Jul 2017 #63
It's not denial, I simply don't care what the public thinks about human rights. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #69
It appears that you don't care what the data show, and what health policy experts say. ehrnst Jul 2017 #76
A majority thinks the government should provide health care for its citizens beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #82
No they are not 'behind it'. Most still get healthcare from work and this will never pass... Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #47
So I should trust Republican political instincts instead? beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #55
How about sticking with actual politically neutral experts on health policy? ehrnst Jul 2017 #64
You mean like physicians? beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #67
I mean like health policy experts ehrnst Jul 2017 #70
Yeah, still not interested in straw men. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #71
Straw man because you don't understand what I'm saying? ehrnst Jul 2017 #72
You keep bringing up other people's opinions as if they're more worthy of consideration. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #75
Um... you were the one who stated that "a majority of Americans" wanted Single Payer.... ehrnst Jul 2017 #77
No, you do what you can now...you won't get single payer and if you try ...then the GOP will attack Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #73
Tell that to Dems in Congress - a majority cosponsored the bill and I agree with them. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #80
And McConnell is already using it to hurt the Democrats. Stupid when it has no shot of passing. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #98
"Huffff......European health care! Harrrumpf!" RhodeIslandOne Jul 2017 #42
Again no and no and no. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #46
We need to do something to get away from healthcare in the US being used for social control ck4829 Jul 2017 #50
Call it HEALTHY HUMANS pangaia Jul 2017 #53
SOCIALISM!!1! beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #57
YIKES, man.... WARN ME!!!! pangaia Jul 2017 #58
Sorry about that. Here, take this, it will make you feel better: beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #60
Well, the GOP managed to convince a huge number that Obama was socialist. ehrnst Jul 2017 #66
So why are you trying to convince me that I shouldn't support single payer health care? beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #68
I'm saying that health policy experts say it's not as simple as you say it is. ehrnst Jul 2017 #74
When did I say it was simple? No one thinks this is simple or easy. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #78
You seem to think that because a "majority of Democratic Reps" and "the Public" ehrnst Jul 2017 #79
Why do you keep bringing up Bernie? This isn't just his fight. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #85
Oh - I guess you weren't done. ehrnst Jul 2017 #88
Read the bill for yourself and see who consigned it, that's why I provided a link. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #90
I did read the bill. ehrnst Jul 2017 #103
Conyers has introduced this bill every year for the past 15 years, lapucelle Jul 2017 #104
When something becomes dogma, debate becomes unwelcome and often impossible ehrnst Jul 2017 #105
There does seem to be a bandwagon effect lapucelle Jul 2017 #107
Yep - I certainly don't have a problem with debate on universal health care coverage or single payer ehrnst Jul 2017 #108
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